Your thoughts on today's big ass votergate developments

[Marnieworld]

I'm starting to get really excited about the Madsen articles and the affidavit from Clint Curtis detailing programming voteswitching in touch screen machines. Yet I'm not sure what to believe since some very credible posters have serious doubts. So whatcha think?

[Marnieworld]

1. Any experts please reply with a reason why we should doubt

I'd hate to get my hopes up for something inaccurate so enlighten us.

[BlueDog2u]

4. See the other thread

The experts have posed two major objections:

1) The affidavit scans are not identical and the name Clint is crossed off on p. 4 and the name "Clinton" is written in. The first objection is just bogus. The scan difference is the result of the fact that the scanning software automatically defaulted to a color mode for the final page to pick up the colors on the signature;

2) The proposed code would not have worked on the software platforms used in voting machines (this is layperson's explanation of a complex point). This argument is also inconclusive. The affidavit states only that the the code in question was a prototype; Curtis did not design it to operate in any given real life environment. To do that would have required an additional phase of development which, if it was done, was done by someone other than Curtis.

In other words, there is no direct connection between the affidavit and election 2004; but the affidavit does prove, if it is true, that Republican operatives like Feeney were trying to find out if the election could be stolen. That is its significance. So far, none of the experts has debunked the contents of the affidavit. They need to do a better job if they expect to prevail.

[ewulf]

5. exactly. n/t

[Zan_of_Texas]

2. Here's the best by Madsen so far, posted today....

Excerpt: A common theme from all the intelligence and ex-intelligence officials with whom I have communicated is that George W. Bush made a major mistake in attacking and purging the clandestine service of the CIA. The "agency," which extends far beyond the confines of Langley, Virginia, is having its revenge. It has willingly exposed a portion of a traditional clandestine CIA money route to expose the vote scam that was used to ensure Bush's election.


Special Report
Texas to Florida: White House-linked clandestine operation paid for "vote switching" software

By Wayne Madsen
Online Journal Contributing Writer

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/120604Madsen/120604madsen.html

Note: website has photos of two documents posted

December 6, 2004-The manipulation of computer voting machines in the recent presidential election and the funding of programmers who were involved in the operation are tied to an intricate web of shady off-shore financial trusts and companies, shady espionage operatives, Republican Party politicians close to the Bush family, and National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) contract vehicles. An exhaustive investigation has turned up a link between current Florida Republican Representative Tom Feeney, a customized Windows-based program to suppress Democratic votes on touch screen voting machines, a Florida computer services company with whom Feeney worked as a general counsel and registered lobbyist while he was Speaker of the Florida House of Representatives, and top level officials of the Bush administration.

According to a notarized affidavit signed by Clint Curtis, while he was employed by the NASA Kennedy Space Center contractor, Yang Enterprises, Inc., during 2000, Feeney solicited him to write a program to "control the vote." At the time, Curtis was of the opinion that the program was to be used for preventing fraud in the in the 2002 election in Palm Beach County, Florida. His mind was changed, however, when the true intentions of Feeney became clear: the computer program was going to be used to suppress the Democratic vote in counties with large Democratic registrations.

According to Curtis, Feeney and other top brass at Yang Enterprises, a company located in a three-story building in Oviedo, Florida, wanted the program, written in Visual Basic 5 (VB.5) and designed to operate in Windows and be portable to Unix-based vote tabulation systems, to be "undetectable" to voters and election supervisors.

Yang, an engineering and computer services company subcontracted to NASA prime contractors like Lockheed Martin, was founded in 1986 by Dr. Tyng-Lin (Tim) Yang. Granted minority-owned "Section 8A" and woman-owned preferential status by the U.S. government, Yang's clients also include the Florida Department of Transportation (DOT). Yang's President, Li-Woan (Lee) Yang, is Tim Yang's wife. Feeney was the registered agent for another Yang company, Y & H Greens, Inc., a company that was dissolved in 1988 and operated from the Yangs' residence on Merritt Island. The Yangs also serve as co-trustees for an entity called Yang of Merritt Island, Ltd., founded on January 31, 2000, and also run from their residence.


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[libmeayer]

3. Do you think that this is it.

[SmokingJacket]

6. No matter what...

it's a juicy nugget that's worth discussing.

Maybe it'll put the issue on more lips.

Maybe, MAYBE it's even true!!!

yeehaw!