BRAD BLOG: Curtis' Dog Has Been Killed.

[BradBlog]

Since I can't post currently on my own blog due to the traffic, I've sent a note about this to my friend who runs "Crooks & Liars". It happened a few hours after I published the story.

This is the second time this has happened to Mr. Curtis.

It's rather upsetting, and I said my piece in the note I sent to him to post, so you can see it there if you wish.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2004/12/06.html#a962

Unbelievable world.

Brad
The BRAD BLOG
http://www.BradBlog.com

[IAMREALITY]

1. That's Horrible

I am terribly saddened by this news. My condolences to Clint...

[Straight Shooter]

2. That is too damn low for words.

:grr:

[New Earth]

3. is Clint himself in a safe place?

he needs to be, true story or not.

that is fucked up about his dog. people are really lame sometimes.

[righteous1]

4. OK so the implication is because this man submitted a affidavit

in swift and cruel retribution they had his dog rubbed out?

[IAMREALITY]

5. The Thing Is the 'They'

Could be Goverment conspirators all the way down to a republican shmuck that lives down the road.

[SueZhope]

6. I hope Mr curtis is

hiding out some were that is horrifying,
if this is all true he needs protection

[HeeBGBz]

7. That is pathetically evil.

My sympathies to Mr. Curtis.

[Maat]

8. He and his family are in my prayers!

We need to get his family, as well as Curtis, and his pets, into a very safe place.

How sick!

[understandinglife]

9. posted in two threads at dKos...

....perhaps folk who don't know Mr Curtis but find that they have sufficient background from a few google searches to question his legitimacy might also want to read about a current, horrible event in Mr Curtis' life.

I have no reason to doubt Brad or his diligence as my correspondence with him has revealed him to be earnest in his concerns for our democracy and cautious in what he reports.

Peace.

"Did Bush Know?"

[TruthOutDawg]

10. That is so horrific!

I don't know if you have anyway to get messages to him but please give him all of our thanks and our condolences. And, btw, if you have pets, PLEASE keep a close eye out for them from here on out. That just makes me so, so mad!

[BradBlog]

12. Thanks all...and I'll pass on your wishes to Mr. Curtis

It has been a very difficult day for him.

As I mentioned in my note, I admire greatly his courage. This isn't the first time this has happened to him during this long saga.

For those doubters out there (I've been trying to plow through the notes posted here), your skepticism is healthy. If the story is bad, I look forward to finding out about it.

As I said in my original article, I have been trying to find the holes in the story since I came across it. So far, no luck in finding them.

But PLEASE don't get hung up on how the affidavit was scanned (I saw the WORD doc before it was scanned), or names that Curtis used on his website when he didn't want to be sued for libel, etc.

Find out about Curtis, and Feeney and Yang and FDOT and all the other players named in the story. There is much to find out out there. Dig as much as you wish, but don't get hung up on the silly stuff.

And thanks again for the kind words for Clint. I shall pass them on. I believe it will do him much good today.

Brad

[karlrschneider]

21. Er, you saw the "WORD" doc? On paper? Or the digitized version...??

If the latter, why would it need to be scanned? And if it a paper (original?) document, when and where did you view it? Wasn't it allegedly either in FL or MD? And how is it that you seem to know Clint personally? You signed up with DU 10 days ago and all of a sudden are in the thick of what superficially appears to be a huge discovery. And suddenly the guy's dog is dead, a la "Godfather"...it's all a bit much to swallow in one gulp. :eyes:

[lamp_shade]

24. My thoughts exactly

What the hell's going on here??

[americanwhothinks]

26. i share karlshneider's skepticism, and think skepticism is

essential here on DU. (I keep saying this!!)

It is very easy to discredit a group, and, to protect the integrity of DU, we must all be wary of unsubstaniated claims--

Some stories might be true, some false---how can any of us know which is which?

This is not naysaying-- it is caution. And in my view, caution is in order, as many, many people are threatened by the work done here...no doubt there will be efforts to undermine this site and its good work.

Brad isn't posting on his own blog, either...Does this raise any questions? (i'm not a computer person so i have no clue!!)

[SueZhope]

30. americanwhothinks

"Brad isn't posting on his own blog, either"

I think because if you try to get to his blog you cant
its overloaded tonight so he is also sharing direct with us

[americanwhothinks]

31. I realize that's what he said...My point is that this may be another

reason to be cautious.

[BradBlog]

72. I can't post there now, cuz I can't get there now :-)

...So I'm handling Email, and dropping in *very* occassional to see what's going on here, and who has either advanced the story, debunked it, or just taken pots shots at me ;-)

Presumably, if I'm able to post there again in the morning, I will make an attempt to answer some of the questions I've seen here and in Email, and give you all some documents (particularly related to Lemme) to chew on and/or chew up.

Brad
THE BRAD BLOG
http://www.BradBlog.com

[BradBlog]

36. Answers to all of those questions...

Er, you saw the "WORD" doc? On paper? Or the digitized version...?? If the latter, why would it need to be scanned?

I saw the WORD document (which, of course, was unsigned). After it was signed (this morning), it was scanned and sent to me so that I could post it for you folks to scrutinize.

And if it a paper (original?) document, when and where did you view it?

Never saw the original signed-this-morning document in person, as I am in a different state than Curtis.

Wasn't it allegedly either in FL or MD?

Given the security situation that Mr. Curtis now has to deal with for the moment, I would rather not discuss anything about locations. I trust you'll understand.

And how is it that you seem to know Clint personally?

I have never met him in person. I have, however, spent the bulk of the last 3 or 4 sleepless days (two of them literally) talking endlessly on the phone (along with others related to the cases) learning what he had to say about his story. And while I was at it, trying everything I could to find holes in it (as I mentioned in my article). So far, I have yet to find any. I welcome any that you might be able to find.

You signed up with DU 10 days ago and all of a sudden are in the thick of what superficially appears to be a huge discovery.

I have been a feature article writer for DU for the past year. Please feel free to do a search of the feature articles for any of pieces or see the DU Feature Articles listed on the right side of my blog (if you can get there right now).

I haven't had a particular interest in posting to the forums here until I found myself on this Election 2004 Mess beat as of Nov. 3rd, when I've been trying to help investigate the entire mess. Again, see my paper trail on that at the BRAD BLOG http://www.BradBlog.com

When I started breaking articles on all of this mess, thought I needed to get the word out as QUICKLY as possible (given the time sitch at work here), I finally thought it would be better to get a Forum ID and post some of these stories myself, instead of asking others to do so.

And suddenly the guy's dog is dead, a la "Godfather"...it's all a bit much to swallow in one gulp. :eyes:

Your barking up the wrong tree, karlrschneider.

If you find that the fact that his dog was shot today (apparently Madsen, who's story I do NOT stand by as I didn't work with him on it, though -- as I mentioned in my article -- he had much good detail on the Curtis part of the story, while the CIA stuff is a bit too far out for me without evidence, Curtis had another dog killed several years ago as well.

He's understandably, right now, a bit upset given the day he's had and the news he then learned, so he is not talking to anyone else for tonight. I'm told he will begin to do so again tomorrow.

John Byrne at RAW STORY, however, spoke with him just before the news about his dog arrived, and has teased that he's going to run the interview later tonight at www.RawStory.com

Feel free to scrutinize the article, talk to John, and/or do anything else to scrutinize the STORY. But I could without the snippy childish sarcasm at the moment.

Hope that answered all of your questions.

Brad
The BRAD BLOG
http://www.BradBlog.com

[IAMREALITY]

45. Brad

You have a fan in me. I just want you to know that. I stand behind you, have faith in you, and respect your efforts completely.

Please keep up the good fight, and the good work.

[CupaJoe]

52. A point about the Brad Blog's credibility

I just wanted to make an observation for anyone who is skeptical because of the newness of Brad's sign-on name at DU. I discovered The Brad Blog shortly after the election, and since then it has been one of the best sources around for pointing to developments in the investigations of fraud.

His story must stand on its own, of course, but Brad is not new here. Others of his posts at DU include:

White House Website Scrub

Stealing the Election Again?

A Sheep in Wolf's Clothing

Control Room

Mourning in America

... and more.

[stirringstill]

74. Sneaky

All I know is that this afternoon the affadavit was not his website and then he, Bradblog, said he was scanning the affadavit and putting it up on his site. Indeed there it was. Pretty impressive for someone to pose as Bradblog and then appear to control Bradblog. Coincidence?

[BlueDog2u]

53. Thanks Brad

You've done an excellent job of answering these "snippy" questions. All of us, even the skeptics, appreciate your hard work in trying to publicize this case and also test all the angles to protect yourself and everyone from the potential for misinformation. Please continue to keep us informed.

[BradBlog]

73. Thank YOU...

I will do my best as time allows to answer questions here (and elsewhere) as much as I can.

I trust you understand how big some of this stuff is, and my time might better be spent investigating, writing or sleeping (at some point). So I can't always hit *everything* here.

But I'm happy to tell you as much as I know and can tell you and keep everyone involved safe, and the investigation moving forward.

Tough, skeptical questions are great!

Silly questions, charges attacking me or the story (without evidence to support any of those charges), frankly, just takes time out for both me, and everyone else here who I encourage to look into EVERY ASPECT OF THE STORY.

There are names, details, etc. in the story and affidavit, that I haven't yet seen folks looking into or discussing here.

I hope you will!

Brad
THE BRAD BLOG
http://www.BradBlog.com

[karlrschneider]

78. Okay, sorry I missed your reply last night in all the confusion. You prob

ably won't even see this, but I did verify your DU writings...I wasn't able to get onto your blog last night, too much traffic as you said so I'm much more comfortable with what you're doing and saying - that said, still have a bit of skepticism but not nearly as much as I did before reading your answer...thanks.
KS

[Stand and Fight]

47. LOL

No comment --- lmao -- no comment!
I'm not laughing at you by the way.
Trust me, I am not laughing at you at all, friend.
:crazy:

[lonestarnot]

11. Dirty Bastards if someone did the dog....

Wonder if it was poisoned or what happened. Could it have been a congenital defect that did the dog? No matter what happened to the dog, I am sorry for this man. I love dogs. I have five.:-(

[BlackVelvet04]

54. Brad said.....

"If you find that the fact that his dog was shot today ".....so the dog was shot not poisoned.

[Pepper32]

66. Madsen latest article mention that his dog was poisoned, I guess he was

...talking about Clint's other dog. Sad.

[jmknapp]

13. These guys have a greater sense of the dramatic

Than Bev Harris.

Where Hunter Thompson when you need him?

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."

[lamp_shade]

27. Quick

Get me out of this thread !!!

[AnIndependentTexan]

33. that is easy

Just close your eyes and then tap your heels saying," There is no place like home. There is no place like home. There is no place like home." Then you and your dog will be back in the good old state of Ohio.

[americanwhothinks]

38. lamp_shade--

should we get out of this thread or should we raise the questions posts like these should raise?

[teryang]

14. This predicate story regarding software to China

Sounds very much like the Inslaw scandal, right down to the alleged suicide. Shades of Inslaw murder victim Danny Cassalaro.

[jmknapp]

15. Exactly

This whole thing is crap from start to finish.

Plug-and-play conspiracies for a new crop of suckers.

[Turn CO Blue]

23. I am skeptical of the first part of the affidavit HOWEVER...

it is NOT,as you say, "CRAP FROM START TO FINISH". The rest of the affidavit is easily verifiable -

Clint Curtis did work for YEI and he did do contract work with Mavis Georgalis for FDOT. Those two did file a whistle-blower complaint with Florida - Clint is mentioned in a counter-suit against Georgalis by FDOT.

And Rep. Tom Feeney did write numerous articles to different papers to defend himself from Clint Curtis' accusations (he names him by name).

Tom Feeney was publically investigated by Florida for his part in these shenanigans, and was eventually cleared (by a committee).

Georgalis was reinstated to her job, etc. and there are numerous articles about her whistle-blowing.

All of this can be googled. You see, I didn't believe ANY of it either, so I started googling. So again, it is NOT crap from start to finish (maybe only the first part, hee hee).

Anyway, I did find that Clint Curtis worked for Yang when he said he did (because Feeney says so in some of the articles, calling Curtis a "disgruntled employee"), and that he did blow the whistle on FDOT/Feeney - now it's just a matter of figuring out if he did indeed write the prototype program, etc.

[BlueDog2u]

34. Thanks for the clarification

I have seen the evidence for all of these circumstantial elements of the case also. Anyone who doubts can find them on the threads here at DU. That does not mean that Curtis is necessarily telling the truth about the vote fraud code. But it is at least a first step in establishing a baseline of credibility, and I agree the story passes that test.

[Vote4Kerry]

16. That is horrible News!!

I hope and pray Clint stays safe!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

17. I am missing the timeline here, can somone explain. Where

was this filed?, where is Brad, how did he see the original if it was notarized today and did it go to judiciary yet?

[karlrschneider]

19. Another new DUer claims to have seen the original (forget who it was),

this whole story smells VERY fishy to me, and I'm awfully close to a LIHOPer.....
:eyes:

[karlrschneider]

18. Uhhhhhhhhhh

:eyes:

[wicket]

20. Who the hell would do such a thing???

This is horrible :(

[caligirl]

22. He should get the vet to save several tubes of blood for toxicology

studies before his pet is frozen.

I hope he has the dog autopsied. And he should not let them freeze the dog's body yet.. It will be impossible to get liver studies and toxicology results. At the very least he should have blood drawn and a liver tissue sample, possible spinal cord tissue sample taken now. It takes a lot of blood to get drug testing done and it can;t be done once the body is frozen. The vet can order any blood already drawn to be held by the lab facility for an additional 5 days until all tests can be done.

And more importantly, I am deeply saddened for Mr. Curtis. Loosing a pet you love so mush is very hard to take. And when it isn't expected, and for a youngster, even more sad. We lost our giant schnauzer dute to vet malpractice Sept 25. We were just heartbroken for weeks.

[Last Lemming]

25. Another terrorist strike

Was it Abu Mus'ab Al-Zarqawi? by any chance?

[selmo7]

28. should be reported to the Animal Rescue League

Law Enforcement Division. They see these kinds of crimes against animals and depending on how good they are where Mr. Curtis lives, they might be willing to investigate it.

This is the same kind of crime that people from "ritual" abuse mafia families report when they are trying to "expose" the family secrets or get out of the family - for both harassment and punishment.

It's really horrifying and I express my sincerest sympathy to Mr. Curtis for his loss and what he is suffering at the hands of these sadists.

[Vote4Kerry]

29. Good idea..Anybody have Clint's email

so we can forward him this info?

[caligirl]

32. I just sent him an email using the icon by his name. The envelope and stam

p icon. And yes by all means report this. And get a police report too. document.


edit, the first icon next to his name.Envelope and pencil icon and it went through. I assume he got it..

[candy]

35. Scary stuff----thanks for the post. n/t

[Rose Siding]

37. Mr Curtis has been trying to sell his story for years?

This doesn't make sense. After 00, why wouldn't he have been able to sell this story to anyone until now?

snip>
And I'm sorry to say that this is the second time this has occured to Mr. Curtis over the years since he began trying to tell his story.

[Last Lemming]

39. Very convenient time for a dog to die

Don't you think?

[pointsoflight]

41. More importantly, why are his dogs being killed if there's nothing to it?

[mzmolly]

43. "Sell his story?" I thought he said "TELL" his story?

:shrug: Perhaps as per ususal the reason he couldn't TELL his story is because the corporate media weren't listenin?

[Rose Siding]

48. You're right. It's tell.

I still think that someone would have found it to be of interest before now.

[mzmolly]

50. You'd think? But, the ol' "tinfoilhat" label tends to stick to anyone

espousing truths that the FAUX fed public doesn't lap up.

I'm a skeptic about everything, and await the investigation ... but I don't think info got out all that well until recently? Especially given the net was somewhat elusive until recent yearz.

:hi:

[NVMojo]

44. Rose, I've been close to a whistleblower case involving

a private corporation and violation of Rico laws, it's three years later and we are barely getting to see the light of day with it. These things don't happen overnight. And sometimes, it is hard to have your yell be louder than others. Look at how Bush and his boys have kept us busy with "terrorist" alerts, 9-11 stuff, etc. This case hardly stood a chance of rising above the noise created by the Bush administration. Start thinking about all the CIA stuff coming out this past year ....they have had enough.

[Rose Siding]

49. I suppose it's possible

It's just hard to believe that something so immense wouldn't have found an audience anywhere. It's certainly interesting.

[pointsoflight]

55. Also, he says in his affadavit that he contacted several agencies...

And was never contacted by a single person until Nov 22 of this year.

[bunny planet]

40. I believe Madsen mentions in his latest article about some other (or same)

whistleblowers pet Pomeranian dog being poisoned too. Coincidence, could this be the other dog you refer to, you say this is the second time this has happened to Mr. Curtis. Is this the same person Wayne Madsen referrs to in his fourth article??

[jsamuel]

46. I think so...

[Stand and Fight]

42. ........

:shrug:

[tandem5]

51. another dog? So that's two dogs now? n/t

[coreystone]

56. I'm Sorry For the Loss Mr. Curtis Has Suffered - the "original .pdf"?

of the 'affidavit'!!!

;-)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x118513#118630


BradBlog (24 posts) Mon Dec-06-04 02:35 PM
36. It was Auto-Scanned that way…

Snip< “When we scanned the docs, it was set on auto-scan, and the last page was in color, so trigged a different setting is all.

I have the originals.” >End Snip

It would certainly help with your credibility!

:-)

[Woo]

58. Crikey --

I haven't been doing this blog thing for a terribly long time -- but I heard about BradBlog BEFORE I heard about Democratic Underground -- it's on the up and up --

[coreystone]

61. Sorry! I don't mean to be disrespectful...Rather is 67, I am 54.....and ..

I have learned to be very shrewd in accepting "truth"!

I have asked for the original which Brad has said he has, and there is a no show!

Maybe there are some problems with the site, but, the posted link from this afternoon was "high school" level. That doesn't fly with the many scanning irregularities.

:-)

[KaliTracy]

62. Skepticism is good

and I admit, I'm skeptical of this story (as well as the Madsen stuff)...

But (as I posted on another thread)

I *found* DU because of the BradBlog site. When I found it, I was impressed that he started so quickly (or I just found him first) after the election. From his site -- (which I'm paraphrasing) he states he's neither republican or democrat and didn't vote for either candidate. However, in light of the issues surrounding the election he started keeping a blog of all of the anomalies *That Were Published And/Or Verifiable* -- wasn't looking at anecdotal information -- just things that had merit and teeth.

In fact, when I sent him a link to some things, and mentioned the Madsen stuff here (right after 1st and 2nd article were published) -- I just told him some things were going on in this forum about the stuff Madsen published, but I was skeptical, and thought that Oblermann had some good points. I saw a *lot* of holes in those first articles.

He was trying to arrange *contact* with Madsen, and was going to have a phone interview with him. After he spoke to him he then wrote a blog about Oblermann and Madsen and the story Madsen was working on. Mentioned that Olbermann was doing the same thing he accused Madsen story -- didn't try to contact Madsen, just posted his Blog without allowing Madsen to verify Oblermann's issues with the story...

In any case -- what I'm trying to say is that I've been to the site and have seen it as not a flash in the pan -- it's had updates quicker than some things here -- he's doing investigation, and tryign to get things out that the mainstream media isn't - and happens to be an actor. So what? Some people have elected actors as governors and president....

He's provided links to Major News networks calling for people to take action/make a statement (CNN, New York Times, Etc.) and has called out when the press is finally doing something.

However -- When I read the stuff that Curtis wrote at justaflyonthe wall a week or so ago (the link was posted here, I think) -- I remembered thinking to myself that either the guy had a good imagination -- or that some things have happened to him in his life. Get the same kind of feel for the guy who was involved with the CyberNet(??) group.

My take -- as always... is time will tell. I don't particularly believe this one any more than I believed the 29 million dollar check. But I trust this source more because I've been visiting and reading what he's been writing about for the last 4 weeks, and I didn't know Madsen from Adam, and didn't particularly care for his journalistic style.

Even if it's not true -- it will certiainly open the door to more investigation of the software Diebold used, dontcha think? Or maybe not.

By the way -- the only reason I'm posting this is because I understand that people need context -- and I'm hoping this gives a little bit of context to what has happened today.

Keep guessing, keep digging.

remember "The important thing is to never stop questioning." -- Einstein

[coreystone]

67. If it wasn't so late I would send you a more rational and insightful..

post regarding many things. But, for now, I can assure you that I will not touch the liquid of Socrates demise!

Have a nice evening! It is almost mid-night in Vermont, and, I must go swimming in the morning before I go to work at 8 AM (EST)

:-)



PS - A thoughtful post from you; it is appreciated!

[Blue Diadem]

57. My heart goes out to Mr. Curtis

Please give him my sympathy and thank him for what he is doing, risking everything, to bring out the truth.

[bj2110]

59. Ummm. I'm done with Curtis tonight. This is too much...

Now we're talking about a dog?

Let's discuss the Conyers hearing on Wednesday... How 'bout that?

[coreystone]

60. Good Night John Boy!

Sorry! I loved the Walton's!

:-)

[buddysmellgood]

68. Whatsamatter? You don't like dogs? Huh? WELL I HAVE A DOG. And I

(sorry, it's sarcasm)

[stillcool]

63. Thanks Brad..

I've been reading your blog for quite a while and am kind of surprised that so many here don't know of you. I think that you must be on the links of every liberal blog there is! I for one am totally in your corner and wish you all the best...I did read the Fla. decision from Clinton Curtis vs DOT, which really solidified every thing you have said. I feel for him and what he's going through, and for you and all involved...freaky stuff

[bj2110]

64. .... could you be any more obvious.... ? n/t

on edit: guess I wasn't done quite yet.... it amazes me the level that some will stoop.

[stillcool]

65. Excuse me??/nt

[buddysmellgood]

69. I think he was trying to say

gush gush gush, gafaw, gush smootch.

[bj2110]

70. lol... yeah that... and maybe something else, too...

I'm sure you can figure it out...

[KaliTracy]

71. ??

[reality_bites]

76. tacos anyone ??????? n/t

[Shalom]

75. Bush Family and Barney are Safe and Sound in Brown House

Cause that's the way it is.

[disillusioned1]

77. Never leave your dogs alone outside

Even if you're not a whistleblower. Common sense, man.