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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 08:03 PM
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Buzzflash changed its Headline on the Curtis affidavit
When they first posted it it said...

"If True, This Report Blows the Lid Off of E-Voting Manipulation in South Florida."

and that was it - Now it says...

"If True, This Report Blows the Lid Off of E-Voting Manipulation in South Florida. Or is This Revelation a Repeat of the Dan Rather "Memogate" Set-up by Rove, This Time Planned to Undercut the Credibility of the Internet? We Don't Know. Stay Tuned."

Looks like they may have some doubts? 100,000 apologies if this has already been posted.

JTT

http://www.buzzflash.com/
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Obviousman Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 08:08 PM
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1. Not to jinx anything
But I had this in the back of my head all day. We saw how it crushed Rather, let's just tread verrrrrrrry lightly on any information we get. Don't treat anything like the silver bullet. The combination of everything must build this story.
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 08:13 PM
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4. I totally agree. There is no silver bullet. It is the rushing horde of
facts coming from all directions at once that will crush the strongest fortress. Don't rely on any single leader, strategy or angle. Be flexible and willing to shift to a different strategy if necessary.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 08:16 PM
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6. My question from another thread was
Why would Feeney be so loose-lipped toward Curtis? I don't get that.
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AtLiberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 09:47 PM
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15. Curtis was Republican for many years...
;)
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 08:57 PM
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9. Yeah, but you know what? We're not Dan Rather
We're a bunch of people investigating this thing on our own dime, on our own time, for the sake of our country.

We're doing it with complete visibility, hiding nothing.

Can't compare the two
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 08:08 PM
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2. It's either a masterful hoax or the bush*t will hit the fan
Someone has gone way out on a limb.

BradBlog is reporting that Curtis' 3-year-old German Shepherd, which has been healthy, is now reported as dead.

What kind of person would sacrifice their dog to make a name for themselves? His story had better be real, or there won't be words low enough to describe someone who kills an animal that has got nothing to do with any of this election crap.
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 08:10 PM
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3. I know Straight, that was horrible news and made my stomach turn.
Amazing what some friggin people will do...

On a side note, I posted in the other thread that I did a quick experiment. I printed out the last page on my photo printer then scanned it on my scanner using the default fax & copy setting. The results were almost identical to the other 3 pages. Fonts, characteristics etc all meshed.
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JoMama49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 08:16 PM
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7. Remember the Anthrax?
It was only sent to Democrats and journalists. I put nothing past these thugs!
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 09:02 PM
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10. "What kind of person would sacrifice their dog to..."
" make a name for themselves?"

- the kind of person doing dirty work for the bush gang. (not that Curtis is that type of person, just answering the question...)

Words to describe a person who'd kill an animal for political points - the same words that would describe bush/cheney/rice/rummy/powell/etc.

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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 09:28 PM
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11. I think Madsen mentions in the most recent article that a man's pet dog,
a Pomeranian was killed. BradBlog just posted that this is the second time Curtis has had a dog killed. Is Curtis the same whistleblower that Madsen refers to in his fourth article. Sorry if this has been mentioned in another thread, I've not been at my computer most of the day so I haven't checked.
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carolinalady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 09:45 PM
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14. poisoned--no mention of killing
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 10:02 PM
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17. It is implied that the dog was poisoned deliberately as some sort of
retribution for the whistleblowing, which would make it....murder of said animal and thusly killing.
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 08:15 PM
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5. Doubt is a good, useful tool, and it won't stop the truth from winning out
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 08:23 PM
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8. Nice to see
There are to many people on the Brad Blog to get in. Maybe this has teeth.:mad:
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 09:29 PM
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12. Waiting for John Conyers
It will be interesting to see what John Conyers makes of this.

It will also be interesting to see what YEI has to say.
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rawstory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 09:39 PM
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13. YEI has nothing to say.
Called them twice. Also Feeney has nothing to say either. Just FYI (http://rawstory.com)
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 10:11 PM
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18. 'Bout what I expected
Thanks.

Did come across this interesting "background" on his fellow whistleblower, Mavis Georgalis:

http://www.flfen.org/os30apr3.htm



1st District Court of Appeal

A Whistle-blower - temporary reinstatement of state employee

... A former state worker is entitled to temporary reinstatement under the WhistleBlower's Act because her letter of resignation - presented to her as the only alternative to a letter of termination - amounted to an actual discharge, the 1st DCA held.

Mavis Georgalis, a manager for the Department of Transportation, was called into a meeting and shown two letters, one submitting her resignation and the other advising her that her services were no longer needed. Georgalis accepted the resignation, she said, only in response to coercion. She then filed a whistle-blower complaint claiming she was fired because she participated in a complaint made by a contractor under her supervision. The Florida Commission on Human Relations concluded that Georgalis' departure from DOT was an actual discharge and requested her temporary reinstatement while the case remained pending. A trial court granted the request and the DCA affirmed, rejecting DOT's arguments that Georgalis resigned and was not discharged and that she was not entitled to temporary relief because the commission failed to follow statutory time periods for providing notice. The court noted that the statute does not provide any remedies when the commission fails to meet the time periods.

"The time periods contained within the statute constitute directions to FCHR to expeditiously handle complaints and seek relief for the complainant where it is warranted. It does not serve the legislative purpose to preclude a complaining employee from obtaining relief based upon FCHR's failure to follow statutory directives," the DCA said. @
PART II. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Court Opinions


Am staying tuned.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 10:18 PM
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19. Excellent point...but we should make SURE that the Conyers investigation
is known to be completely unrelated to the other stuff, as it truthfully is. Because if Conyers is tied to something that is later proven to be untrue, that will discredit the important work that Conyers is doing. So no matter what the truth is of any of these other stories, they should be kept separate.
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 09:59 PM
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16. This story mentions things the neo-cons don't want even breathed about.
The AWOL story was sticking to W for years like toilet paper glued to his shoe that needed to be chopped off very publicly.

But this voting software fraud story has barely seen the light of day so I don't think that a big splashy false flag failure works for the neo-cons.

Lots of folks don't even know what's wrong with electronic voting and don't have it on their radar.

The neo-cons hide things so people don't reach three thresholds in the mind:

1) awareness
2) outrage
3) action

Because if these things come into play, the unthinkable might happen:
Democracy.
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