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Tue Dec-07-04 11:01 AM
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What's the bigger issue with you? |
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What is more important to you, proving the fraud and intimidations or a Kerry win? Of course we would all like to see both, but I am wondering if the American people can see how corrupt the system is, would that satisfy you enough? I'm just curious on everyone's opinion on this.
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Tue Dec-07-04 11:04 AM
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1. proving the fraud and intimidations |
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exposing the rethugs for what they are and then hanging the "cheating thug" label around their necks for the next 20 years
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Tue Dec-07-04 11:05 AM
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I really don't think they'll unconcede but I would LOVE to see fraud truly exposed. I'm a little upset that my vote didn't get counted!
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Tue Dec-07-04 04:24 PM
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Tue Dec-07-04 11:04 AM
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2. i'd like to see an honest recount and a Kerry win |
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but if there was an honest recount and Kerry still didn't win, obviously we would have to accept it, but at least we'd know for sure.
i don't believe any 'proof' of fraud will be found until months, if not years, after this election. right now all we have are numbers to rely on in New Mexico and Ohio.
The most important thing is to fight for the truth and have that truth before Inauguration day.
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Tue Dec-07-04 11:10 AM
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8. I would first like to see Kerry be inaugurated. |
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That way he can get the country back on track while he finds enough evidence to put the bushies away for good!!
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Tue Dec-07-04 11:50 AM
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16. should not limit allegations to Ohio then |
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if fraud is the issue of concern, we should not limit ourselves to Ohio. Wisconsin, Iowa, and Minnesota had tighter races than Ohio but I don't see the demands for recounts in those states. sorry, but I think most are interested in reversing the election results rather than exposing fraud.
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Tue Dec-07-04 01:35 PM
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22. so you are admitting that a recount of Ohio might change the outcome? |
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Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 01:36 PM by Faye
w00t, thanks for the boost of hope! :D
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Tue Dec-07-04 11:08 AM
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The election of Kerry is a side issue, we are talking about the future of Democracy.
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Tue Dec-07-04 11:08 AM
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it will FINALLY be the chimps long awaited undoing
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Tue Dec-07-04 11:09 AM
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would undo the ponzi scheme that has become the Republican party. that would be better.
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Tue Dec-07-04 11:09 AM
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Tue Dec-07-04 11:18 AM
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Finding truth, uncovering fraud and bringing those guilty to justice are the biggest issues for me.
I want election reform:
Uniform Federal standards for Federal elections Paper trail for all elections A time line that allows for recounts to be completed before electors are selected Mandatory random hand audit to confirm election results
I want the truth to find its way to the highest levels of the * administration.
I want * to leave office in disgrace, and take his mandate and his Congressional majority with him.
I would love to have John Kerry as President in 2005, but I think that saving this nation begins with drowning the rats.
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Tue Dec-07-04 11:22 AM
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11. All of that sounds like it would be great. |
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I am pretty sure that this crap has been going on since day one, but it is time to face the fact that the election process has to be revamped. This is not the 1800's, we should be much more secure in our voting process.
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Tue Dec-07-04 11:19 AM
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10. Getting all the votes counted accurately |
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No matter what the outcome.
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Tue Dec-07-04 11:23 AM
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and the need to have paper ballots.
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Tue Dec-07-04 11:23 AM
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13. Proving fraud which would hopefully |
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begin investigations into how to safeguard voting rights for everyone. The dem party has been cheated, I believe, and not only did we 'lose' the election, but we've been coerced into attacking each other over whose fault, where did we go wrong, etc. when I don't believe we did go wrong. We could have done better, yes, but I believe a fair vote would have had a different outcome. I don't quite believe the irregularities are going to prove to be enough to convince Bill and Sally Ignorance that the system is in need of an overhaul, but as long as these questions are in front of the public, there is hope. I hope that more than half of my fellow Americans aren't idiots, but even if they are, they have the right to vote like idiots fairly and without irregularities.
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Tue Dec-07-04 11:24 AM
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14. revamping the election process |
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is the most important thing.
If there was fraud, prosecution for all involved. No Ollie North crap please.
If kerry legitimately won, even better. but my first concern is the accurate counting of votes and the transparency and non-partisanship of the process.
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Tue Dec-07-04 11:26 AM
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Prove that and I really think we can get people behind some serious reforms (and I'm not just talking election, although that's an important part) and get this country back on track.
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Tue Dec-07-04 11:56 AM
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17. proving fraud makes correction possible....... |
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There's nothing that's been done that can't be UNdone if our vote is intact. I have absolute faith in the American people to do the right thing with the truth.
Yes, we won this past election, and we won the previous election, but with a broken system winning is useless.
If we can't make the system work (even in it's previous, creaky but mostly honest, way) Then we have truely lost our country until some new revolution.
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Tue Dec-07-04 12:28 PM
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Tue Dec-07-04 12:29 PM
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19. Finding the truth, and getting the facts to the public (n/t) |
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Tue Dec-07-04 12:32 PM
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Put Kerry and the other rightful Dem winners in office, repudiate the Rethugs, and put a whole bunch of 'em in jail.
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Tue Dec-07-04 01:33 PM
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21. I want significant reforms before 06... either way... |
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If the American people can see how corrupt the system is, I believe they have the guts and integrity to change it. But at first even well-meaning people may not want to face the awful truth...there is always resistance to thinking things are really THAT bad. Gonna take hard work after this selection, whether Kerry is installed by some miracle or not. We have a clear challenge now--to see that the election system has undergone a significant overhaul by 2006. It may take longer for the total fix, but the primary mechanisms should be in place by then. No American citizen of any political affiliation should accept less.
The sleeze is bubbling up through the cracks and maybe there aren't enough Shop Vacs in Walmart to contain it now...
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Tue Dec-07-04 04:23 PM
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23. Fraud because if we don't it's the end of democracy |
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and that's not hyperbole.
I could care less about kerry, which is probably a good thing because there's no way in hell the election will be overturned, no matter what -- IMO. If nothing else, I believe it will take longer than whatever deadelines theres are, including Jan. 20, for the whole thing to shake out -- IF we're lucky.
And if we DO continue to make progress, I think another "terrorist attack" on U.S. soil would be the likely distraction.
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Tue Dec-07-04 04:26 PM
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Otherwise all is lost and we'll be slaves to the Republicans forevermore. We will lose any voice that we might ever hope to have...if we haven't already.
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Tue Dec-07-04 04:32 PM
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26. Count my vote and prove to me that it's been counted. |
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That's my goal. Kerry is the cherry on top of that sundae. If there is provable fraud, I'll buy everyone a drink. I hope that is the case, on a scale wide enough to bring down that whole cabal. It'll be Christmas whenever that happens.
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Tue Dec-07-04 05:27 PM
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27. Vote Fraud is THE issue for me. |
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A Kerry "win" would be almost superfluous.
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Tue Dec-07-04 05:28 PM
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28. Proving that there was corruption and fraud and who actually won (eom) |
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Tue Dec-07-04 05:30 PM
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29. Proving the fraud and problems |
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Tue Dec-07-04 05:30 PM
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30. Putting people in jail. |
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The only reason we need to PROVE the fraud is so we can convict them fairly.
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Tue Dec-07-04 10:26 PM
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People serve life sentences now for stealing pizzas. How much is a couple of million votes worth to our society?
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Tue Dec-07-04 05:33 PM
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Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 05:37 PM by Amaya
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Tue Dec-07-04 05:33 PM
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32. Proving or Disproving Fraud |
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either way as long as it is investigated FULLY
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Tue Dec-07-04 05:39 PM
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Would LOVE to see John Kerry in the White House, but I think ultimately proving the fraud will have the biggest impact on our system.
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Tue Dec-07-04 05:45 PM
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36. Why can't I have both?! OK, fraud! n/t |
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Tue Dec-07-04 05:46 PM
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37. Fraud W/ Election reforms by 06 NT |
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Tue Dec-07-04 09:36 PM
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38. It looks like we are all on the same page here |
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I want to have this all shown to the American people one way or another.
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Tue Dec-07-04 09:50 PM
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39. Proving the fraud and intimidations |
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Can't believe so many are not for proving voter intimidation/suppression. Says a lot! And probably confirmed a lot too...
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Tue Dec-07-04 10:22 PM
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40. Fraud -- and for Bush and Cheney to fry! n/t |
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Tue Dec-07-04 11:38 PM
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46. Yeah, voter intimidation don't really matter. Who cares... ^5 n/t |
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Tue Dec-07-04 10:28 PM
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42. Seeing The Almighty impeached! |
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along with his disciples. It eats me up that they can get away with lies and criminal acts cause they have the money and the power to do so.
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Tue Dec-07-04 10:34 PM
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43. Proving fraud. It's definitely bittersweet. I keep wondering |
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how many elections over how many years have been subjected to serious manipulation.
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what's most imp Power corrupts. Money corrupts. What is government at this point if not money and power?
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