As I watch CSPAN I ask.. where are the DEMS? :( this is a disgrace ro..

[propagandafreegal]

I'm ashamed to be a Kerry supporter and a Democrat. I'm definitly going to look into the GREEN Party.

[Huckebein the Raven]

1. Do you know if they are going to repeat this on C-SPAN later today ?

[Pam-Moby]

2. I hope so!!!

Kick:bounce: :bounce:

[Donailin]

63. you can watch it anytime online

at C-span.org in the archives

[propagandafreegal]

37. You should be able to stream the video from c-span.com

[Huckebein the Raven]

39. is it on c-span 1 ?

[Donailin]

64. no, not .com, .org. c-span .org

and dont forget the slash

[ailsagirl]

62. Randi just said it was going to be rebroadcast today

[SueZhope]

3. maybe they are

there ..in hiding?

[The Backlash Cometh]

6. I'm hiding.

On DU, but that's because I'm scared of getting disappointed again, and there's really not much I can do from my office chair anyway.

What do you mean, though, that the Dems are missing? You mean Dem callers? I heard that line was disconnected last week. Could they have done it again?

[Eloriel]

18. It means aside from Conyers and Wexler and Jesse Jr.

and whoever else is on the dais for this panel, there don't seem to be anyone but Cobb (Green) and some of the attorneys and CITIZEN ACTIVISTS involved in testifying to this panel.

I concur. It's a disgrace, an absolute disgrace, that Third Party candidates are stepping up to the plate to protect democracy and (if possible) the position of the DEMOCRATIC candidate (and probable winner).

It occurred to me earlier, in the unlikely event this election were overturned and Kerry were inaugurated, he would be such an incredibly weak President as a result of this that ... well, it boggles the mind how weak he would be.

[The Backlash Cometh]

36. I don't understand it either, Eloriel.

Unless there's something going on at the top that we don't understand. Two very opposing thoughts come to mind:

(1) Either something is about to burst with the Feeney thing, (because Kerry IS making an appearance in Ohio) and so Kerry's waiting for the right moment; or

(2) Nothing meaty is on the plate and he doesn't want to give the otherside the appearance that he's going to give Bush trouble, when he has no evidence to question the results of the recount. And let's face it, if Kerry did make an appearance, we'd all be interpreting to mean that there is fraud and he's ready to challenge Bush.

[Vidar]

53. Take our fighters where we can get them. Sam Adams & Tom

Paine weren't politicians; they just started the Revolution. It is disappointing that more prominent Democrats are playing it safe, but let's not dwell on that. Instead let's back these fighters to the hilt. I don't mean to lecture you, Eloriel. I know you have contributed far more than I have--just making a comment.

[bloom]

56. I agree - Jesse Jackson was seeming more like a leader than ever

as well as some of the others.....


It was great to have faces to names and see who has been out there on the front lines.

[Donailin]

65. ITA

We're a flock without a leader. Kerry alone has the power to bring this issue to the nightly news and the newspapers with a phone call.

Investigations would advance greatly with one word from him. Money would pour in and the real fight would begin.

[ooglymoogly]

4. hear hear....and indeeed ............and ........herrrruummph

they must pay for not being here.

[BeHereNow]

8. A big fat HOOVER Vaccum

That's what we need...
Plug it in, turn it on and CLEAN their corporate-owned asses
out of our government.
they have failed to uphold their oath to defend, uphold
and protect our Constitution from both foreign and
DOMESTIC enemies, therefore they are complicent and
WILL be fired by WE the people.
Time to tear it down and start again with REAL democrats.
bhn

[Mandate My Ass]

10. Great image

It's time to clean the HOUSE.

[BeHereNow]

17. Can't you just see it?

A gigantic hose inserted in the roof sucking
the greasy rodents out of their seats, with live
coverage on C-span of course....the camera
follows them through a see thru hose as they are
dumped into a giant bag which is later dumped
into the sewer where they all belong.
YES!
bhn

[americanwhothinks]

46. it's 1:15 in chicago....did i miss the whole thing???

[BeHereNow]

48. Sorry to say, yes you did!

But fear not! There are many good threads
on it going right now.
AND, hopefully they will replay it!
Check in the C-span archive for it too.
Welcome to DU!
BHN:hi:

[americanwhothinks]

50. thanks, BHN...and i appreciate the welcome! Guessing yr a Ram Dass fan?

[BeHereNow]

51. Since 1972...

Love him.
bhn
WTF?
My sig line keeps adding an "e" with dot things
over it! That why I keep editing...

[neversaynever]

52. I'm in chicago and have a video

send me PM if you want to hook up on that.

[americanwhothinks]

61. are you going to the chicago meeting tomorrow night?

there's an election fraud meeting at 6:30 pm at ann sather's on belmont...

[renaissanceguy]

68. Did not know that

but I'll be there.... Where else is this posted??

[americanwhothinks]

69. not sure..a friend who was part of major WI vote effort sent me the invite

the group sent buses to WI every weekend.. (but it isn't ACT-- a group I went to WI with--) so yeah, if you come to the meeting-- great! perhaps i could borrow (promise to get it back to you quickly!) that video?

(my name is wendy, btw...)

[Eloriel]

20. Join up with DFA

Democracy for America, doing great work from the grassroots up, recruiting and funding candidates at all levels of government:

http://www.blogforamerica.com/
In fact, right now Dean is giving a speech on his vision for the future of the Party.

[BeHereNow]

21. Thanks E!

You are right, this must happen from the
grass roots up. The disconnect between
WE the people and the powers that be
can only be bridged from the ground up.
If we build together, we will win our country back
because we outnumber them by the millions.
bhn

[Helga Scow Stern]

55. So Dean did give his speech? During the hearing? "Subtle disrespect?"n/t

[xultar]

5. Conyers is a DEM, J Jackson jr and J J ackson are dem's

they are there in the form of their GAO committe duties.

[propagandafreegal]

7. Conyers was MY congressman when I was born I know he is a DEM ro..

I'm talking about the DNC and KERRY!!! It is an embarressment that the Green and Lib parties are spearheading this.

[goclark]

66. Sheila Jackson Lee is a dynamo and a democrat

Watts Democrat
etc.

they are there!

[BeHereNow]

9. Don't give up on the Dems- get rid of the

the FAKE dems who have been bought and sold
by the corporate power mongers.
Conyers can stay- but there are HUNDREDS who need
to lose their jobs.
Time to PURGE.
And yes, WHERE is John Kerry?
I think Dean would have responded quite differently
to all of these travesties.
bhn

[Rose Siding]

11. Look no further than the Congressional Black Caucus

Even Watt, the new CBC chair spoke earlier.

[Cocoa]

12. the dems are conducting the hearing

and imho, the Green guy is the least impressive one up there so far, he appears to be using this hearing rather than contributing to it.

That's based on his opening statement, where he digressed into tangential issues.

[Pacifist Patriot]

14. I can't fault him for that though.

I makes excellent points about third parties being shunted aside by the media and the debate process. He's got an audience, he'd be a fool not to use it. I'm not so sure that a simple two party system isn't part of the problem. I wonder if an election would be harder to fix if you had three our four candidates seriously duking it out.

[regularjoe]

16. I didn't like the advertisement either BUT he deserves all the thanks

we can give him. The Ohio recount efforts have really strengthened this movement.

regularjoe

[Eloriel]

23. Oh, you want him to talk up the Democratic Party -- the one that's

not carrying their fair share of this burden of ensuring democracy isn't stolen right under our eyes?

Passing strange indeed that he and Badnerik, theird party candidates, are carrying the water for the Party that almost can't bother to have anything to do with this, don't you think?

I don't fault him for hawking his own party, not one little bit.

[Cocoa]

26. I don't fault him either

I'm just saying, if someone wanted to make the case that the Greens are better than the dems, this Green guy's contribution to this hearing today, compared to that of the dems, doesn't really support that case. The dems are looking great, and the Green guy isn't really regsitering.

[geomon666]

29. No...

we would like for him to talk about the voting problems which is what the hearing is about. Not about how third parties should have a seat at the table. He took his shot on national tv, and he looked like a quack. Thankfully, Cliff Arnebeck was there to pick up the dropped ball.

[brindis_desala]

54. Democrats better have a gut check..

The chips are on the table- does the leadership play or fold?
The Black caucus can't call the repugs all alone. We paid (a hell of lot)to play... it's time for the DNC to ante up.

[Pacifist Patriot]

13. Who do you think is hosting this? Do you mean the Kerry campaign?

The democrats are all over this (Conyers, Jackson-Lee, Nadler...) It's the Kerry campaign that is missing and quite frankly I don't blame them. If they are at the forefront we see another PR fiasco like 2000. I think they are smart to sit back and let it happen as a grassroots movement. If the results get overturned they come out smelling very very clean indeed.

[tavalon]

25. Smelling clean to whom, may I ask?

Because frankly, from where I'm sitting, they stink! To high heaven! And this from one of the loyal party workers. No, it is high time, even well past time when they should stand up and put some steel in their collective spines.

[Pacifist Patriot]

31. Except they have to consider more than just us.

I know it's incredibly frustrating and aggravating, I feel that myself. But looking at the long term I think they look cleaner to the broader American public on inauguration day if they didn't slug it right after the election.

[robbedvoter]

42. Much, much more: THEMSELVES!

"It was God testing John" he said to friends. (we are mere exras in this important drama)

[regularjoe]

15. Senator Murray couldn't be there but sent a staff member AND

the person I talked to when I called said the whole office is watching the forum on C-span.


regularjoe

[robbedvoter]

43. Wow! Watching it! The dedication is stunning!

[GreenPartyVoter]

19. We'll gladly welcome you, but bear in mind that Kerry can still unconcede

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[oc2002]

22. really?

that will be the day.

Kerry does not have the balls to do it.

I supported Kerry, after Dean lost, now I am vindicated in my statements that Kerry is a loser, and a coward of a politician.

He should be at the forefront, not hiding in the back watching and waiting like a great big coward.

[tavalon]

27. Whoo hoo!

Looking forward to that! Really, while I know quite well that he is the much lesser evil, the way he has conducted himself since Nov 2nd has not engendered much admiration in me.

He's a Corporatican (Democrat + Republican + Corporate influence = Corporatican). I'm fairly disgusted with him. And frankly, it's far more likely that the mess that the Bush regime has created will blow up in their collective faces if they are still in the WH. If Kerry actually wins, the Bushies will likely slink away unharmed and Kerry, et al will be stuck with the mess and the egg on the face for the impossible mess left behind.

[JPace]

24. It is time for Kerry to step up to the plate and bring media attention

to this cause. If he does not do that he fails his country!

[tavalon]

28. And that is different from what he's done since the election

in what way?

[JPace]

32. Its a beautiful day to fly a kite....have you purchased one yet?

[tavalon]

34. Smile

actually, I live in Seattle and it's raining so it's a lousy day to fly a kite. However, I get what you're saying and knowing how very grumpy I am this morning, I probably ought to keep my smartass to myself today.

[JPace]

57. All is forgiven....

:)

[propagandafreegal]

38. Maybe Mike Ruppert was right... that Kerry took a payoff to concede quick

[Wordie]

44. Jeez! Why do you listen to/post nonsense like that? Just logically that is

ridiculous:
1. He is independently wealthy, so it's highly unlikely that money could influence him.
2. He REALLY wanted to win this election, so why would he do a thing like that? It runs counter to his own interests.

I get so annoyed with the misinformation and speculation.

[proud patriot]

30. Um Dems are there , it's the republicans that are completely absent

:D

[phantomvotes]

33. LOCKdowns

Why have they not brought up the lockdowns and the FBI claims of a terroist in a precinct in Ohio during tabulation.

[proud patriot]

40. They did bring that up

a couple of times :hi: it was durring the first panel .

[KatieB]

60. Lockdowns were mentioned in the introduction, I think by the rep

from New York, if not by Conyers himself. I think JJ mentioned it as well

[IndyOp]

35. Tough Love: STOP WHINING AND START MAKING DEMANDS

What do we want? INVESTIGATIONS.
When do we want them? NOW.

What do we want? RECOUNTS.
When do we want them? NOW.

What do we want? ARRESTS.
When do we want them? NOW.

What do we want? OVERTURN THE ELECTIONS.
When do we want it? NOW

Do I sound ANGRY?
I am NOW.

:nuke:

[BeHereNow]

45. I agree!

We need to demand that our representatives
represent US!
NOW.
AND we need to let them know we will FIRE them
if they don't!
bhn∞

[steelyboo]

67. Congratulations to all

You have reached the end of the left, last stop, Radical... Welcome to the Revolution:)

[Generator]

41. My husband suggested that our only hope was

an attack on DC that left them all shall we say less than standing. IE the Dems are useless and the Repubs are evil.

But I loved everyone that was at that hearing. And it's mostly the Black folks fighting. Jesse Jackson Sr. made me choke up big time.

So simple, his words. "It's just not right."

After all the struggles of the civil rights movement of the sixties and here we are 2004-and the darkest days yet in the guise of everything is as it should be.

[americanwhothinks]

47. It's now 1:15 in Chicago...did i miss the whole thing??

how is that possible??

[bunny planet]

49. Every House Judiciary Dem was there today, that's what I heard anyway.

What do you mean where are the Dems? This was a house judiciary committee hearing (minus the Republican members unfortunately). Senators were not supposed to be there, isn't there some protocol about Senators not getting involved with House matters and vice verse?

[rodeodance]

59. it was a public forum--anyone could have gone--as a show of support it

would have been great to have ALL senators and representatives preseent--Dem and Repub!!!!!! It was a dream deferred!!!

[molly]

58. Buh-bye

[ailsagirl]

70. Actually, there were many more people there than it showed...

according to William Pitt. Apparently the room that Conyers managed to secure (since the repugs refused to allow him to use a larger room) was so small that the overflow was accommodated elsewhere.

To quote him, "...the crowd was so large that an overflow room needed to be opened on another floor. Along both walls were arrayed more than a dozen television cameras."

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/120904W.shtml

So at least we now know that there were lots of people there. Which is a relief!!