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GingerSnaps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:32 AM
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What will happen to the Senators & Congressman that won through fraud?
Edited on Wed Dec-08-04 11:35 AM by GingerSnaps
This is a very important issue and I would like to know what will happen to the Repugs that were elected through fraud?

Does someone have to contest the election in the areas that they were elected in or if it's proven fraud on *'s end will the fraud be acknowledged for the Repugs that won in that area?

Voting is our right and our country is based on being free to vote. We can't let the illegally elected make decisions for OUR Country.

(Give newbies a chance and let them prove that they are either with us or against us!)

:grouphug:
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MadAsHellNewYorker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:34 AM
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1. I think they all should be sent to gitmo
Edited on Wed Dec-08-04 11:34 AM by MadAsHellNewYorker
I don't know anything offical or what the law is, but it sure as hell seems like TREASON to me...
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:35 AM
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2. They should go to jail if they were part of the fraud
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Mastiff Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:38 AM
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3. I doubt they would know.
The Senators and Congressmen are not known for keeping secrets. I doubt they would be told. There is no need for them to know.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:38 AM
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4. This is what I find a wee bit distressing about the focus on the
presidential election. I personally feel the Florida senate race fell victim to voting irregularities. Not to mention oodles and oodles of county and municipal races that were probably tinkered with. I don't have confidence in the legitimacy of any elected official at this point I'm afraid.

If voter intimidation/fraud were conclusively proven to be done at the behest of the Republicans, I think every officer in the Republican party and Republican candidate for office should go to jail....but I'll get over that when I calm down I'm sure.
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Mastiff Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:48 AM
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5. In an analysis of the North Carolina election,
a researcher found no variance on the state level. He found a suspicious pattern with regards the Senate and Presidential race. I haven't got the link handy, maybe someone else has it.
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GingerSnaps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:57 AM
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6. It's just as important as removal of the chimp
They will be making our decisions and creating new bills.

I also think that they should all go to jail :hug:
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Rhapsody in Blue Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 12:35 PM
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7. I agree that it's important as well
If it were at all possible, ANY senators or congressman voted in fraudulently should be removed from office. Lack of dem control of the senate and house could be a huge hurdle, even if the chimp was removed.

Personally, I believe that in some of the high-profile senate races (KY, OK, SD, FL) there was some manipulation to turn it red. Possibly in House races as well, but I haven't seen any real analysis of those... yet.

When a recount is done, I think it's a recount of all the races included on the ballot, isn't it? So, if the recount discovers a change in winner... I guess it depends on state law how to proceed from there.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 01:03 AM
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10. Don't forget Vitter in Louisiana
John Breaux was a popular senator here as was Chris John a popular rep. I don't believe the vote for senator here, and I think some of our presidential vote was skimmed for *. I personally liked Kennedy better than John, but I do not believe that Vitter got the vote claimed.
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Old Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 01:59 PM
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8. time to contemplate the bigger picture?
I've wanted to write about this for a long time now, but find it difficult to correctly balance the words. We keep looking at the smaller battles but don't consolidate our facts and think about what this means.

The diligent people here on DU have uncovered a clandestine criminal organization that in an unparalleled act of treason
has spent years illegally placing people, money, propaganda and technology in an attempt to take over and destroy the representative government of the United States.

They are not, as many would believe, neoconservative, fundamentalist Christian, or republican in base, as they use and abandon the principals of these groups whenever it suits their needs. Without understanding their actual affiliation, we can be certain they are pragmatic and capitalist profiteers; dedicated to controlling the United States government, and by extension, the world.

They have the Executive Branch, and their political party dominates the other branches of Government. They are now consolidating a similar level of power on the State level. It is unknown how many ruling members of the Republican party are members of the criminal organization, and how many are only under the sway of their power and propaganda.

They have agents or people sympathetic enough to their cause to be thought of as such throughout our justice and intelligence communities, and have a near compete stranglehold on the main stream media. This is effective in slowing or blocking most investigations into their activities. Additionally, they have perfected methods of operation that move faster than our system of checks and balances can affect.

Since taking power, all of the resources of the executive branch, including its influence over the Republican party and associated social demographic, have been spent in power consolidation. The complex demands of running the nation have been ignored completely, resulting in economic, environmental, social, and geopolitical ruin. They have effectively capitalized on the resulting chaos to further entrench power.

The amazing work of the blogs, DU, BBV, Air America, Greg Palast, et al, have resulting in uncovering and thereby reducing the effectiveness of what may be some of the more clandestine tools used to take power.

Now that is all what I interpret to be fact, available just by paying enough attention to even main stream media, much less what is available here. Enough stalled investigations, Israeli and Saudi connections, intelligence purges, duck hunts and swift boat veterans lead strongly to these conclusions. It is a large and difficult reality to accept, not for DUers because they read and self-educate keeping their critical thinking intact, but for the average American struggling to survive in our increasingly complex world.

Now comes conjecture:

If they are solely motivated by maintaining and expanding their control of government, and they have lost the ability to easily control the outcome of elections (no one, not even Republican voters, will trust voting machines again,)the leaders of this coup will dedicate themselves to finding a new method to stay in power. They also have survival issues... It is doubtful they can afford a non-sympathetic administration to review their sealed records.

To repeat that: Because of the success in reducing the public trust of black box voting machines, we can now expect the full attention of the White House and both houses of Congress to be ending control of the government by the people.

We cannot wait until 2008 to run another Presidential candidate, as many Democrats want. It is dangerous to believe we could even retake control of either house of congress in 2006. We need to overturn this election here and now.

President Kerry must then declare a state of emergency to find and remove the entire criminal apparatus from our government. Every agent that knowing worked to suppress or diminish the constitution must be discovered and tried for treason. The complexities of life and the distorting effect of language have made us complacent to sedition. Redistricting means COUP.
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GingerSnaps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 12:37 AM
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9. Do you know how much damage that they are going to do?
The vote rigging has been in the works for a long time. They have been planning this for years and they aren't going to stop until the machines are destroyed. :hug:
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 01:11 AM
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11. Even in Colorado the results are suspect.
This is from the Washington Post site with 100% of the votes in. The official final from the state reads differently. Sure looks like flipped votes to me.

George W. Bush (R) 1,068,233 52
John F. Kerry (D) 960,666 47

Ken L. Salazar (D) 1,041,018 51
Peter H. Coors (R) 953,677 47


<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/elections/2004/co/>
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mrsblister Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 03:48 AM
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13. FINALLY....you just NAILED it !!!
If I had only ONE single post to show the world, a single offering that would pull this national tragedy into focus, it would be this one O.M. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

There is no need for anyone to waste their time with the trite business of discussion, be it agreement or rebuttal. Whoever reads what you have written is forever clear on the nature and design of this insidious conundrum.

The URGENT task at hand is to spread this around aggressively. Our generation is destined to be remembered, or forgotten, depending on our ability to make people realize the truth in this message. I would like your permission to copy and share it word for word with my legislators and the media, as well as friends and foes far and wide.

Thank you again for weaving all the threads together in such a clarified tapestry for us.
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Old Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 02:10 PM
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17. You don't need my permission
If you think that post is of any help at all please use it however you think best, but I think it will only speak to those who already have done enough of their own investigation to question our media-fed reality.

Thanks, really...
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 01:34 AM
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12. Why nothing, of course.
They're Republicans, aren't they? Don't all the rules apply to everyone ELSE?

Seriously, I don't know of any automatic mechanism to remove them, unfortunately. They're always going to plead that they didn't know a thing about it, whether they did or not.
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dmac Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 03:58 AM
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14. I personally think if the Presidential election is overturned
the first official business should be to schedule a revote, ACROSS the country - no campaigning, no commercials - just a day (maybe even a Saturday or a weekend as is done in a few other places) where everyone goes and casts their vote as they cast it the first time. Good clean start with a new clean President. If we end up with a Rep Congress - so what? At least everyone will know they were honestly elected (which right now only Reps believe).
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 04:32 AM
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15. excellent post, Old Mouse
Thank you for weaving the strands together to form the big picture. I am sending your post far and wide and I have saved it to my hard drive, too.


Cher
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mrsblister Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 07:35 AM
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16. Old Mouse Nails It : Worthy of Front Page n/t
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