Just watched the Conyers session: Feeling bad about Kerry

[cyn2]

It's hard to fight like this when Kerry is nowhere to be seen. I've tried to be loyal, but where is he? Or Edwards? Don't they know what's going on?

[GreenPartyVoter]

1. We might yet hear from them once the fraud info is confirmed

and made public. I think they are trying to avoid sore-loserman issues.

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[surfermaw]

9. Green Party, my thoughts exactly..something is up!

[MoonRiver]

2. I don't know, but I've given up on him.

I'm just glad there are still some fighters in the oppositon (a few congressional Dems, Greens, and libertarians).

[xultar]

3. This ain't about KERRY. This is about black folk, latino folk and others

disabled, sick, elderly, women, men, college kids risking their jobs, their health, etc to vote.

[CornField]

5. Agreed -- this isn't about only 2004 election

This isn't about only one elected seat.

This IS about the whole of democracy. This is about casting your vote and knowing it is being counted. This is about maintaining faith in our system. This is about justice.

[bunny planet]

27. Right, and countless Senate seats were stolen as well. We need to prove

that too. We can get back the Senate, who the f**k knows what was pulled in the House races, as long as Delay is in power we'll never know. Senate races in question as far as I can see, Castor/Martinez, Dashcle/Thune, Bunning/Mongiardo, the Alaskan race (Lisa Murkowsky v. ?), there are others, just can't remember them now, but they were too close for comfort if you catch my drift.

[Helga Scow Stern]

7. Right the F* On! I just watched the hearing too!

And it really ticked me off that Dean's speech would have cut into them. As it is, I saw no trace of his speech on C-Span. I was glued to the hearing. Anybody else see Dean?

[mod mom]

8. equal protection under the law

for all Americans! It's about civil right violations.

[TruthIsAll]

4. Kerry would only distract from the hearings if he appeared prematurely.

Let's see what happens over the next few days.

[DemBones DemBones]

6. Prematurely? Maybe it was his concession that was premature.

I've lost faith in Kerry.

[catgirl]

11. The Only Way We'll Win

The bottom line is the only way to win back democracy is for the PEOPLE, meaning us, to get out on the streets and have massive protests. Ukraine did it why haven't we? Cause we're all waiting for Kerry to change America? Everyone should check with their state or local dem groups & see what's happening. If nothing is, we should set something up and post for others. I'm going to check with Minnesota right now.

[Wordie]

12. I completely agree. The hearing was on voting, it is BIGGER than Kerry,

even though it certainly affects him. If Kerry were to show up, people would be talking about Kerry, instead of this deeper issue.

[Kansas Wyatt]

10. The Conyers session isn't about John Kerry,

It was about our democracy, or lack of democracy. Besides, the
Repugs would have had a field day framing pictures and clips of Kerry standing behind Jeff Fisher.

[cyn2]

15. Ok, I stand corrected

It's about voting.....the basis of our democracy. And it did my heart good to see the process actually take place, and the obvious dedicated intentions of Conyers and Jackson, but.....wouldn't it have been nice to see a Senator there? Was that what Jesse meant when he said, "Don't make it so M. Moore has to make another movie."

[blue agave]

13. I used to be resentful of Kerry walking away ...

but now, as this develops, I am beginning to see the other side.

This is bigger than bush and scotus screwing Gore. This is bush and his band of neocons screwing our entire county. The entire election process should now be stripped bare to expose the corruption for the world to see.

Kerry's involvement would diminish the drama to another grudge match. MSM would destroy him. I agree, let him lay low for a few more days.

[cyn2]

16. good point n/t

[garybeck]

17. the ideal scenario

is that it all happens without Kerry lifting a finger. This can not be seen as a sore loser or grudge match. It has to be seen as a fight for democracy, for all votes to be counted, and for criminal activity to be investigated and prosecuted.

My only hope is that he is watching and working behind the scenes. I think it is good he isn't on TV every day demanding a recount. That would be bad for him and the cause.

[SaveAmerica]

31. Imagine the setbacks if Ohio had become a circus...

I agree with you, as I watched everyone discussing all the evidence they've collected I wondered how much of that would have been possible if some of the circus tactics of 2000 had been used in Ohio. I think it's working out perfectly.

[IndyPriest]

19. Right on, Blue

Cobb made it clear at the hearings today that there are two agendas working side by side. One is to get the vote fraud issue generally on the country's agenda. The other is to overturn THIS election. Amazing they're not doing an either/or. They want BOTH issues front and center. And focusing on fraud frames it perfectly. But on the overturn side of the issue, Arnebeck is absolutely sure that Kerry won the election. In other words, Arnebeck is admitting that this fight really is about making Kerry prez. THAT'S a crafty strategy. Because Kerry is not in the public center of the fight, the issue will be faced without all the distractions that would come from it being a "personal" thing with Kerry. VERY crafty. I always thought Cobb and Badnarik were Kerry proxies.

[proud patriot]

21. I agree , this being a movement from the grassroots makes it

Less partisan IMHO . Seriously This is a Non partisan
issue . It's about The American People's votes being
counted , It's about the people who Waited hours
in the rain with their I.V. because they were refused
an absentee ballot . It's about College students leaving
Hours long lines to take midterms . It's about people
who would be fired from their jobs if they stayed in that
line to Vote . It's about belief in the integrity of the
Election process .

It's not about Kerry or bush , It's about We the People !

[IndyPriest]

25. Yeah! Now you're talkin' proud, Proud! n/t

[proud patriot]

28. Thanks IndyPriest

I'm pissed and I'm not taking it anymore :evilgrin:

[pleiku52cab]

14. This was a House of Representatives session not the Senate

[libertypirate]

18. Yeah as soon as we see Kerry we will see uber horseshit

Sounds like elephants calling out the donkey to me...

Well Rove can't miss info as much with out Kerry in the ring, I say let's keep that fat fuck out of this.

This cannot be partisan at all to be completely legit... This needs to be rubber stamped on newbie’s when they enter the DU forums.

If you don't understand that I am sorry, the effort must come from Americans not a partisan group.

Once Kerry stands up the horseshit will start building up big time.

[weeve]

22. "When Kerry left, he took media scrutiny with him."

Man, I really want to believe you ... Kerry being involved (publically) right now would be a HUGE lightning rod , which might take the eyes off the prize ( fair, fraud-free voting ), and would open up the floodgates about Kerry doing this for personal reasons.
On the other hand, opening up the floodgates, and focusing the nations eyes on this voting fraud issue may be just what this country needs RIGHT NOW, especially if we're ever going to reach the enlightened state that the Ukranians have found ! As Jesse Jackson (Sr.) so eloquently noted at todays Conyers hearing ... "When Kerry left, he took media scrutiny with him." He also said that this cannot be an academic venting session... that we need action in Congress NOW ! Did anyone else notice that Jesse was on the verge of tears as he spoke of the system being irretrievably broken ?
Yes Jesse, the Death of this beautiful experiment called Democracy would move any intelligent soul to tears.

F**k Democracy in Iraq/Afghanistan ... we need it in America !!

[mattclearing]

20. Isn't he going to Iraq?

eom

[Bread and Circus]

23. I gotta agree. A leader is supposed to be present and LEAD!

[weeve]

26. Kerry and Leadership

Half of me says that Kerry is playing this just right, working it behind the scenes ( I guess that'd be what's called FAITH ! )

The other half says that if Kerry takes this laying down, doesn't "have our back" after all , then he's complicit in all the needless deaths that will occur in Iraq these next four years
(U.S. troops AND Iraqi civilians).

Scary times. Leadership needed. ( Nice to be reminded why I campaigned for Jesse for President in '88 ! )

[bunny planet]

24. I know it sounds crazy but I think JJ's denouncing of Kerry is just a red

herring thrown out for the Repugs watching. JJ speaks with Kerry, he joined his campaign towards the end. I think that he is throwing the Repugs off the scent by saying Kerry dropped the ball. They are definitely watching what's going on, if they think that Kerry is too involved they will be all over him like white on rice. Just my theory, I've got to keep up my faith in Senator Kerry. I believe in him too much. Hope he does not disappoint me.

[KatieB]

32. Yes - it's a red herring. THink about it- they need to keep the Rove

machine at bay as long as they can.

[AmerDem]

29. I agree, Kerry pisses me off!

He didn't have to bow out so early. What happened to his endless promises of protecting the vote etc? I guess now he would be all in favor of the movement if things go his way and he didn't have to put his neck on the line speaking out about the fraud. The man is weak and an opportunist.

[high density]

30. Edwards is too busy going to New Hampshire for 2008 (NM)

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