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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 05:53 PM
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European media picking up fraud! Link--Any translators?
Found this on CommonGround/CommonSense site:

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/index.php?showtopic=9428&st=0&p=89323&#entry89323entry89323

"Today when I opened the page to Sweden's major newspaper, lo and behold look what I found....I know that most of you don't read Swedish, but you will at least recognize the name of people and places.....I have been emailing them during the past 5 weeks, and had almost given up hope that they would report on it...as a matter of fact, I was going to email them today again, and ask if they are part of Bush's media lockout....Now you have to show the world that you are serious about taking back your country, because I am sure that now, other media accross Europe will follow suite.."

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/stor...,573183,00.html


Can anybody translate this article?
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:00 PM
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1. Felaktig länk
I'm guessing that says.. "Missing link"
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:02 PM
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3. Here's the right link to Swedish story:
Edited on Thu Dec-09-04 06:04 PM by intheflow
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jhgatiss Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:05 PM
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6. The dog looking around in the computer is cute though :) n/t
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:00 PM
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2. Alta Vista's Babelfish online translator translates web pages for free.
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:02 PM
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4. Unfortunately, they don't translate Swedish. I think this is a Swedish
site.
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:09 PM
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7. It's Danish
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:13 PM
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13. Thanks! n/t
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:12 PM
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11. self-deleted- senior moment.
Edited on Thu Dec-09-04 06:13 PM by intheflow
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:16 PM
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14. I hope you don't think that I was getting on to you. I really wasn't. n/
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:34 PM
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22. No problem.
Except with me reading that the paper was written in Danish and attempting to translate it from Dutch instead. D'oh! LOL!
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:03 PM
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5. Thank you so very much, I was at this hearing and it is nice
to see it being covered over seas, hopefully here at home by all to see, hurray, one more victory, so many go
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:10 PM
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8. HydOmatic did!
Edited on Thu Dec-09-04 06:11 PM by Ojai Person
HydrOmatic posted this translation in another thread:

Swedish Aftonbladet run story !

Edited on Thu Dec-09-04 02:01 PM by Hydr0matic
http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,5731...

I translated it for you non-swedes...


Alleged voter fraud in Ohio
John Kerry could still be the president of the United States.
Voter fraud occurred in the state of Ohio - and attorney Cliff
Arnebeck says he can prove it.
- It means Kerry will be president instead of Bush,
he says to Ekstrabladet.
The American election could end up in court. A large number
of lawyers with Cliff Arnebeck in front is currently in the process
of completing a {motion/suit}(?), which could result in Bush losing
his victory.
- This is fraud and we can prove it within the time frame of the
election. It means that Ohio's electoral votes would go to Kerry,
which in turn means that he will be president instead of Bush,
Arnebeck says to the newspaper.

"The election was rigged"
The lawyers say that at least 60 000 votes was taken from Kerry
and moved over to Bush.
- We are basing the accusation on anomalies that cannot be
explained in any other way than that the election was rigged, says
Arnebeck.
This Tuesday Ekstrabladet ran a story on the computer programmer
Clinton Curtis, who in a court of law admitted to developing software
that would transfer votes during the election.

Statistical analysis
There are no proof supporting these claims yet, but Curtis testimony
is supported by a statistical analysis that show central tabulators
transferring at least 130 000 votes in favor of the republicans.
According to Curtis the software was ordered by congressman
Tom Feeney, one of the governors in Florida and Jed Bush's closest
associate.


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jhgatiss Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:12 PM
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10. Gee thanks!
After I make the really bad translation with the web translator! :)

I like mine better. It has a whale in it! :)
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Hydr0matic Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:26 PM
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19. LOL
In swedish we have the same word for election and whale ;) --> val
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:47 PM
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26. internet tranlations are only a vague approximation
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 10:00 AM
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30. Hi Hydr0matic!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:12 PM
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12. Great!! Thank you!
Was hoping somebody would translate
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:20 PM
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17. Terrific!!
Wonderful!
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:29 PM
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20. thanks.
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Kellis Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:36 PM
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23. Thank you for the translation
This is excellent news!DAMN.We really can over turn this freakin election.
Im going to shoot out some more emails to the media and KO.LOL.I wish there more I could do.

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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:43 PM
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25. Tack så mycket! n/t
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jhgatiss Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:11 PM
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9. A bad translation.
I used this website to pump out a translation.

Its awful! But I think we can get the gist of things!
http://intertran.tranexp.com/Translate/result.shtml

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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:17 PM
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15. That's some translation!
The grammar and spelling make it look like something straight off of FreeRepublic. :evilgrin:
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 08:10 PM
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27. LOL!! n/t
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:19 PM
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16. Translation of title
Swedish entry word
felaktig <²f'e:lak:tig> felaktigt felaktiga adj.
oriktig, tokig, galen

English translation
wrong, incorrect, mis-

Swedish entry word
länk länken länkar noun
ringformad del av kedja (also figuratively)

English translation
link
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Mecil Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:23 PM
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18. Story in english (if it is true then this is HUGE)

Here is the story in english:
http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=477
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=20090
http://www.elitestv.com/pub/2004/Dec/EEN41b862e1c8b9d.html

Snips:

In a sworn affidavit (pdf file) Monday, a former programmer for a NASA contractor said that he developed a vote-rigging prototype at the request of a then-Florida state representative who is now a member of the U.S. House of Representatives.

While working for Yang Enterprises in Florida, the 46-year-old programmer says he was instructed by then-Republican state representative Tom Feeney to “develop a prototype of a voting program that could alter the vote tabulation in the election and be undetectable.”

Feeney, a former failed running mate of Gov. Jeb Bush, now represents Florida’s 24th district in the House of Representatives. At the time, he was serving both as general counsel and lobbyist for Yang Enterprises and the Florida state congressman.

Curtis’ affidavit has been turned over to the U.S. House Judiciary Committee for further investigation.
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malatesta1137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:33 PM
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21. too bad
the only one not 'picking up' the story is the only one who matters, John Kerry.
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ektodemo Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:41 PM
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24. Norways biggest newspaper has the Arnebeck story
Edited on Thu Dec-09-04 06:58 PM by ektodemo
(Parts of this posted on another thread earlier today, but probably fits better here)

VG is Norways biggest newspaper, centre/conservative/tabloid. Article today: http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=258000 ("We can prove election fraud, say Ohio lawyers") Was high up on the front page also, earlier today.

As with the swedish article, it is referring to the Danish Ekstrabladet.dk article, basically just retelling it. (The moral: one journalist making an effort, and others follow. ) But mentions more of the original. (may give a rough translation if needed)

Just a loose thought in another direction: With all those numbers and statistics out there, I believe it is impossible to hide election fraud in the long run. (IF of course there are people who will not tire of investigating) You cannot adjust numbers on such a large scale without there being several statistical angles that will give clues to what have been done. It seems to me to be a parallell to the SETI search for life in space. You have an enourmous amount of data, and have concerned people doing decentralized number crunching. A search for Evil Intelligence, sort of. Here on earth, on a much smaller budget, but at least equally important. Dont know if using this model (or describing it as a parallell) could grab attention. If not the main issue makes the big jump to the MSM, there are other sides of this investigation effort that could be newsworthy, sort of bridging the way across the chasm.

Greetings from Norway.

(Edit: If you haven't seen it, here is the link to the Danish article: http://ekstrabladet.dk/VisArtikel.iasp?PageID=272488 It got on the web many hours later than the paper version, so some DUers were at a point unsure if it was for real)
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Paintedlady Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 09:45 PM
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28. Finally!
I'm Swedish, but has lived here in the US for 15 years. I had told all my family and friends in Sweden not to worry, there was no way the chimp could win. I had promised everybody I know, who all hate the chimp that it would finally be over.
After the election I had to call everybody and apologize, I also told them it was fraud and that they would know soon enough. Then nothing happened, not a word in the papers over there.

Aftonbladet is one of two competing daily papers that is read all across the country. Similar to USA Today over here. It will get great coverage!
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 01:30 AM
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29. I can't find the International Media Plea thread, so I post it here,
I checked the Japanese sites, there is plenty of blogs, even in English, and personal websites mentioning the US election fraud. Yahoo Japan hit is around 40,000 but it can, as you know include any election fraud around the world the further you go down the lines.
The ones I saw, I presume, are these former so called "foreign students", illegal aliens, who are "criminals" for overstaying their visas in the US, as I heard this morning on C-Span, you know, the kind of people who are terror threats.
Anyway, the main media outlets in Japan are Yomiuri (tilted right) and Asahi(tilted left). Not one is reporting on election fraud.
I will e-mail them tomorrow about the most "reported" (ehem) Ohio suspicions of fraud in the US .
I e-mailed Kyodo News (AP equiv) no answer.
Spiegel , is a monthly in Germany, no answer. We'll see.Maybe I also try Die Welt.
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