Can we pull this off if all else fails?: THE "FAITHLESS" EIGHT

[Karenca]

Can we pull this off if all else fails?

Presidential Electors who have defected in the past:
THE "FAITHLESS EIGHT

2000: Barbara Lett-Simmons, District of Columbia
Elector for: Gore (Democrat)
instead cast a blank ballot.
Note: Ms. Lett-Simmons cast a blank ballot to protest what she called D.C.'s "colonial status".

1988: Margaret Leach, West Virginia
Elector for: Dukakis (Democrat)
instead voted for: Lloyd Bentsen (Dukakis' running mate)
Note: Ms. Leach cast her Vice Presidential vote for Dukakis instead of Bentsen as well.

1976: Mike Padden, Washington
Elector for: Ford (Republican)
instead voted for: Ronald Reagan (challenged Ford's GOP nomination)
Note: Mr. Padden did, however, vote for Ford's running mate, Robert Dole; Dole thus became the only Vice Presidential candidate to receive more Electoral Votes than the top of the national ticket on which he was running.

1972: Roger L. MacBride, Virginia
Elector for: Nixon (Republican)
instead voted for: John Hospers (Libertarian)
Note: Mr. MacBride was the Libertarian candidate for President four years later- in 1976.

1968: Lloyd W. Bailey, North Carolina
Elector for: Nixon (Republican)
instead voted for: George Wallace (American Independent)
Note: This led to the (so far) only time the provisions of 3 U.S.C. 15 re: an Electoral Vote not "regularly given" was dealt with formally by Congress. Objections were raised by a number of Senators and Congressmen to the counting of North Carolina in the tabulation Joint Session of the 91st Congress (6 January 1969)- the two houses immediately "rose" to debate and vote separately and "concurred" that Dr. Bailey's vote should be counted as cast, after which the tabulation Joint Session resumed to complete counting the Electoral Vote of the 1968 Presidential Election. It is this result which has been since deemed to have legitimized the "Faithless Elector"- that is, since Congress once actually voted on the issue, it would be hard to claim a "Faithless Elector" had somehow violated Federal law (though, of course, Congress retains the power not to accept a "faithless" Electoral Vote under 3 U.S.C. 15).

1960: Henry D. Irwin, Oklahoma
Elector for: Nixon (Republican)
instead voted for: Harry Flood Byrd, Sr. (supported by "Unpledged" Democrats)

1956: W.F. Turner, Alabama
Elector for: Stevenson (Democrat)
instead voted for: Walter B. Jones, an Alabama judge.

1948: Preston Parks, Tennessee
Elector for: Truman (Democrat)
instead voted for: Strom Thurmond (State's Rights <"Dixiecrat">)

[berniew1]

1. You have a case! Documentation Kerry won in Ohio

Documentation that Kerry won Ohio
http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/supreme.htm


Strong Evidence of fraud in Miami County, Ohio
http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/miami.htm

High undercounts in Kerry precincts and low undercounts in Bush precincts in Cincinati
http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/cincinnati.htm

Indications of Fraud in several Ohio counties
www.flcv.vom/fraudioh.html

Indications of possible ballot box stuffing in S.W. Ohio counties
http://www.flcv.com/swohio.html
http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/warren.htm

Favoritism in the Suburbs http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/suburbs.htm

Stealing Votes in Cleveland http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/cleveland.htm

(there is more documentation) http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/alpage.htm
(this is without the huge amount of voter suppression that has been previously documented) http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/columbus.htm

[jhgatiss]

2. I've brought this up a couple of times here....

I even e-mailed some local folks about it suggesting protests at the homes of Ohio electors or at least in their neighborhoods. I can't seem to get any traction with the idea. Good luck!

[karlrschneider]

7. Ain't no way in hell. You -might- get 1 or 2 if you offered them a

million bucks, but these peeps generally revere Chimp more than Jebus hisself...
:grr:

[pelagius]

3. And these votes changed the election results how?

Sorry, but I'm not holding out for a stampede of electors or super-secret vote recounts changing the election results. Time to start looking at the DNC chairmanship, the 2006 elections, and the opportunities that will arise as BushCo's actions come to fruition.

[latteromden]

4. We would need 18 electors to switch to change the results

We could hope for maybe one, and there's almost no possibility of that happening.

[aquart]

5. So?

How do you know what's possible until you try? Hmmm?

[karlrschneider]

6. Can you actually imagine any Chimp elector changing hir vote?

I know some of them here in my state and you'd have a better chance of kicking a bowling ball for a field goal from the 50 yd line than persuading these nutballs to abandon their Dear Leader. Ain't gonna happen...well, they say everybody has "their price" maybe so but I sure as hell can't afford the millions it would take...:eyes: