How long until Kerry must fish or cut bait?

[tuvor]

Many DUers are saying he's just waiting for the "right time".

At what point will we have gone past that time?

[autorank]

1. November 3, 2004, at that point.

CORPORATE AMERICA controls the media and we get MANUFACTURED NEWS.
CORPORATE AMERICA now controls the voting machines and we get MANUFACTURED ELECTIONS.

[Griffy]

20. January 6th .. once elector certified..

facts matter .. focus on getting other americas to see the fraud!

[BeatleBoot]

2. Right about April 2008

If he doesn't announce by then, well I'd say it might be too late to run.

[seito]

3. Ask me again after the indictments n/t

[Goldeneye]

4. I'd say the time is coming up quickly

Maybe its already passed. It's over a month and there is plent of stuff going down. Maybe this is something we should keep him out of anyway. The most important thing is getting the election system fixed so this never happens agian, and a very close (and frustrating) second is getting Chimp out of the WH.

[IndyPriest]

5. Depends what you want him to fish for

Lot depends. You want him to jump into the Ohio fracas to win the presidency (shorter time-line)? You want him to push the vote fraud issue in Ohio (longer time-line)? You want him to push the vote fraud issue generally (still longer time-line)? You want him to prepare for 2008 (still longer)?

[tuvor]

9. Yeah, I should've been clearer.

What's the latest he/we can wait if in some happy-happy scenario, he were to ultimately be handed this presidency instead of bush?

[New Earth]

12. i'm sure if any more courts try to halt the recount, Kerry will step in

like he did in Delaware County. I guess it all depends on what events transpire. i'm sure he will respond as necessary when they do. i think he will step forward and be more vocal at the most climatic point - just when needed, just when this has all gone far enough to the point that more people are paying attention - i feel that time coming soon.

[IndyPriest]

16. Not sure he can do much about winning the prez

Barring an uprising in the streets - which I'd love to see - his chances for the presidency are really in the hands of a few judges. If his path to the WH is through the recount, a lot will depend on whether judges at critical points will keep it moving. If his path is through proving fraud, a lot will depend on whether judges will deem Arnebeck's evidence sufficient to warrant further investigation. I expect Arnebeck to be able to make his case; but whether a judge will see it that way?

[tuvor]

19. Thank you, IndyPriest!

For some reason I thought there was an actual drop-dead date after which it was all over.

[IndyPriest]

22. Well, there really is a drop-dead date

If neither the recount nor fraud pave the way for Kerry by Jan. 6 (I think) - the date the Dec. 13 vote of the electors is accepted - Bush will be sworn in on Jan. 20. Then the issues turn to impeachment and ensuring that future elections are straight up.

[tuvor]

23. Even better.

Thank you. I'll mark my calendar.

And sorry to everyone for a poorly-worded question in the first place.

[Griffy]

21. So... GET OUT TO THE STREETS the lawyers are doing there thing..

raise awareness of the fraud... and the people we rise up!

[emulatorloo]

6. When Ohio "flips" or there is concrete proof of Fraud

Jumping in too early damages him and his ability to govern (think Rushbo: "He's trying to STEAL the election!!!!!! The French Looking Loser!!!!" 24hours a day)

OTOH, as strongly as I feel their was fraud. I am not sure that either Ohio will flip or that there will be concrete proof of Fraud.

[Mirwib]

7. The right moment for him to come out was before he conceded.

For all intents and purposes, a person who does not frequent this site would say

1. Kerry has already given up.

2. The sole purpose of his putting out those occasional press releases that say he is still working and trying to count every vote is to not offend the Democratic Party faithful.

If he is going to claim the election, he needs to come out and say that he thinks that he won.

[Career Prole]

8. And I find many DUers are saying Kerry should have done "something"

by now. Know what? No offense, but get off Kerry.

How many times have I heard "let's take our government back" in the last month?
I'll tell you. Literally freakin' thousands.
I tried to get nothing more out of DUers than to help spread the word for a one-day walkout. The thread got 56 replies over 24 hours, with half of them by me in the form of kicks. That's pathetic.

If you want to take your country back, then take the sonuvabitch back!
Quit sitting around speculating when or if Kerry's going to come take your country back for you.

[tuvor]

11. I'm not ON Kerry, so settle down. I'm just asking a question.

Hope that's all right with you.

I think you should bring your comments about taking your country back to a new thread. If that sounds sarcastic, well, it's not. I'm serious; I think it could be a good one.

[Career Prole]

15. Well please elaborate, then...what, my friend, do you think

we should do should Kerry choose neither "fishing" nor "cutting bait"?
What suggestion do you have should Kerry, God forbid, drop dead?
Do we quit then?
In short, what does this mess even have to do with Kerry?
He cannot fix it by himself, so why the hell do you people keep expecting him to?
If Kerry were to choose to call a press conference tomorrow, ibe that fishing or cutting bait, everyone here would hang on every word at CSpan and yell their approval.
The rest of America would be spoon-fed dribs and drabs of it guaranteed to portray him in the worst possible light.
The same thing happened throughout the campaign, and it would not have mattered a whit who we chose as our candidate because corporate America had chosen some dimwit with a cowboy hat and a fake accent as their candidate.
This will not turn around until we hurt them in the only place they can be wounded...their wallets.
That will take substantial numbers of us and it will take some willingness on our part to sacrifice.
If we don't, then kiss democracy as we knew it goodbye.
John Kerry's presence or absence is not going to change a single thing.
So what is the importance of John Kerry fishing or cutting bait again?

Edited to add that I just noticed you're Canadian, so you may rightfully ask "Whatcha yellin' at me for? :eyes:
Sorry 'bout that.

[tuvor]

18. Maybe you should look at post #9

where I conceded that I should've been clearer and tried to effectively reword my question.

I just wanted to know the date by which Kerry would have to do something in order to set in motion a fantasy scenario where Kerry gets inagurated instead of bush (assuming a lot, of course). I keep hearing "wait, he's gonna do something" and I keep wondering: at what point is it too late to wait?

I don't think you and I are on the same page. Wish me better luck next time you read one of my posts.

Cheers.

ON EDIT: Reply #16 answers my intended question best, if you're interested.

[UVASAM1]

10. dunno

But if he jumped in right now, it wouldnt be good and he would be creamed.

[hippiechick]

13. He cut bait on 11/3/04.

He's done fishin' as far as this voter goes.


:hippie:

[terry4kerry]

14. As KO has mentioned

I think he needs to come out and say more, or at least be clearer. I agree with KO who thinks his messages are hard to interpret. It is like reading tea leaves, I am always left second guessing myself, and his true stand on the issue.

[DemonFighterLives]

24. Welcome to DU

I kind of get the same feeling. It seems that all of us dems are wandering around in the wilderness. No concrete vote fraud information available to the people, No leader in Kerry or anyone else high up with the dems. The silence is deafening.
Shrub pretends to have a mandate and maybe half of the people believe him.
I would be happy to wait out Kerry if there was more to go on.
Thank God for Conyers and Jesse, I guess.

If by chance nothing good happens in time, impeachment of the fraud would be very much acceptable.

[Democrat Dragon]

17. If he dosen't wan't to actively participate

We must force him to.