LisaM
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Dec-09-04 08:57 PM
Original message |
More WA results in.. Now Rossi has only gained one vote |
Quetzal
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Dec-09-04 09:00 PM
Response to Original message |
1. Can't wait till King gets in its results |
LisaM
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Dec-09-04 09:08 PM
Response to Original message |
2. And now there are more new votes than the original difference |
|
There is a net gain of 55 votes.
|
understandinglife
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Dec-09-04 09:15 PM
Response to Original message |
3. Anyone yet hear of what has been done or is being done... |
|
....to inspect the code in the e-vote computers used in Yakima and Snohomish counties? It will be exceptionally reckless to just accept whatever output is generated (tape or a .pdf file to print) without scrutinizing those computers (for all the reasons so many have documented exhaustively at DU and elsewhere).
And, of course, it is going to be so exciting to see the manual count in counties like King, Yakima, Snohomish, Pierce, Tacoma, compared to what currently resides in the 'official' database tables at their respective county tabulating centers.
Peace.
"When Did Bush Know?"
|
John Q. Citizen
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Dec-09-04 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #3 |
5. The plan for the paperless E vote machines is on a different page |
|
at the WA state web site.
|
understandinglife
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Fri Dec-10-04 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #5 |
11. I have yet to find, anywhere, a crystal clear statement that... |
|
....they will have access to the source code on the computational voting devices in Snohomish and Yakima county and that they will compile and compare exactly what that source code does to the binary executable code installed on the devices used by voters.
Until, at least, that level of scrutiny is brought to the issue, it is irrelevant if they use a 'tape' or convert to .pdf and print to paper. And, in addition, an examination of the exact properties of each device -- what happens when a group of non-partisan experts touches the screen, dozens of times, and then examines the results recorded to memory/storage -- must be done. That, along with the examination of a compiled version of source code that is then compared to the results of the execuatable code, in each device used by voters in Yakima and Snohomish county, is what must happen. Anything less is bullshit.
Peace.
"When Did Bush Know?"
|
Carolab
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Fri Dec-10-04 01:24 AM
Response to Reply #11 |
13. Why don't you e-mail them and find out? |
|
And tell them this is what they must check.
|
understandinglife
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Fri Dec-10-04 09:30 AM
Response to Reply #13 |
15. I assure you, I've sent extensive correspondence to... |
|
...numerous individuals involved in the situation in WA State. No satisfactory response, yet.
I will not stop pushing the issue; you can count on that, as well.
Peace.
"When Did Bush Know?"
|
glugglug
(123 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Dec-09-04 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #3 |
8. Snohomish is touch screen? |
|
ROFL, it has a difference of 261 votes between the first machine count and the machine re-count. How the hell did they manage THAT?
|
understandinglife
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Dec-09-04 11:53 PM
Response to Reply #8 |
10. How will we ever know what is happening... |
|
....with those devices until we have access to the source code and can compile and compare with the executable binary?
Peace.
"When Did Bush Know?"
|
googly
(801 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Fri Dec-10-04 12:31 AM
Response to Reply #10 |
12. We do NOT need the source code, |
|
we need the ORIGINAL source code used to compile the object code used on election day. Sad to say there is no way to know now which version of source code was used.
|
understandinglife
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Fri Dec-10-04 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #12 |
16. Thank you; I know what we need.... (n/t) |
LisaM
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Dec-09-04 09:17 PM
Response to Original message |
4. I heard they were just going to print the results, then count them |
|
I'm actually more interested in the 15,000 discarded ballots as far as THIS election is concerned. But people need to tell Sam Reed we need accountability.
|
AndrewClarke
(88 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Dec-09-04 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #4 |
7. They were going to print out . . . |
|
. . . tens of thousands of "ballots" to count, which would have been monumentally stupid and pointless.
Now they are just going to examine the tapes, which will still be pointless, but avoids the monumentally stupid part.
|
glugglug
(123 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Dec-09-04 09:49 PM
Response to Original message |
6. Maybe the results match TOO closely. |
|
Edited on Thu Dec-09-04 10:04 PM by glugglug
So far the error rate looks to be less than 0.05%.
I was under the impression that the machines are not supposed to be anywhere near that good, even ignoring the fraud factor. The delta between the 1st count and the machine re-count also suggests they are not this good.
|
skids
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Dec-09-04 10:19 PM
Response to Original message |
9. Handy-dandy reference card |
|
Pull this article up next to the results to easily see which county has which technology.
Adams opscan: Central Count ES&S Model 150
Asotin punchcard BCCS punchcard 228
Benton punchcard ES&S BRC Punchcard
Chelan opscan: Precinct-Based Diebold Election Systems AccuVote
Clallam punchcard BCCS punchcard 228
Clark punchcard BCCS punchcard 228
Columbia opscan: Central Count ES&S Model 150
Cowlitz opscan: Central Count ES&S Model 150
Douglas opscan: Central Count ES&S Model 550
Ferry opscan: Central Count ES&S Model 150
Franklin punchcard Sequoia Voting Systems, Inc. DataVote
Garfield opscan: Central Count ES&S Model 150
Grant opscan: Central Count ES&S Model 150
Grays Harbor opscan: Central Count ES&S Model 100 & Model 650
Island punchcard BCCS punchcard 228
Jefferson opscan: Central Count ES&S Optech IV-C 200
King mail-in and opscan Diebold Election Systems AccuVote
Kitsap opscan: Central Count ES&S Optech IV-C 400
Kittitas opscan: Central Count ES&S Model 315
Klickitat mail-in and opscan: Precinct-Based Diebold Election Systems AccuVote
Lewis punchcard BCCS punchcard 228
Lincoln punchcard BCCS punchcard 228
Mason punchcard BCCS punchcard 228
Okanogan punchcard BCCS punchcard 228
Pacific punchcard BCCS punchcard 228
Pend Oreille opscan: Central Count ES&S Model 115
Pierce mail-in and opscan: Precinct-Based ES&S OPTECH IIIP Eagle
San Juan opscan: Precinct-Based Diebold Election Systems AccuVote
Skagit opscan: Central Count ES&S Model 550
Skamania mail-in and opscan: Central Count Hart InterCivic BallotNow
Snohomish E-Voting: Touchscreen Sequoia Voting Systems, Inc. AVC Edge
Spokane opscan: Precinct-Based ES&S Model 100
Stevens punchcard ES&S BRC Punchcard
Thurston punchcard ES&S BRC Punchcard
Wahkiakum opscan: Central Count ES&S Model 115
Walla Walla opscan: Central Count ES&S Model 315
Whatcom punchcard BCCS punchcard 312
Whitman opscan: Central Count ES&S Model 150
Yakima E-Voting: Other Hart InterCivic eSlate
|
Carl Brennan
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Fri Dec-10-04 01:55 AM
Response to Original message |
14. I helped with the recount today as an observer. |
|
Not alot going on they were just sorting the ballots by precinct. I'm going back Saturday and Sunday and will try to keep you posted. It's a good way to get some hands on experience.
|
rjbny62
(203 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Fri Dec-10-04 10:34 AM
Response to Original message |
|
only 3.7% of votes recounted so far
|
skids
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Fri Dec-10-04 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #17 |
18. The big punchcard counties will decide it. |
|
Despite the opscan advantage that Rossi seems to have. The punchcards *should* have many more undervotes, and there is less potential for Rossi there (haven't done the math fully, but King goes a long way.)
|
skids
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Fri Dec-10-04 01:41 PM
Response to Original message |
19. Heh. That was weird. (now Rossi +7, still long ways to go) |
|
I think I hit reload just when they were inserting the totals for the latest county, because the raw vote totals were showing up added to the gain/loss. That was a bit of a start. But it fixed itself up on another reload.
|
smartvoter
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Fri Dec-10-04 02:24 PM
Response to Original message |
skids
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Fri Dec-10-04 05:24 PM
Response to Original message |
skids
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Fri Dec-10-04 08:01 PM
Response to Original message |
skids
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Dec-13-04 12:25 AM
Response to Original message |
23. kick for tommorrow (was on page 13 already... sheesh!) n/t |
skids
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Dec-13-04 02:57 PM
Response to Original message |
skids
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Dec-13-04 06:37 PM
Response to Original message |
skids
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Tue Dec-14-04 05:51 PM
Response to Original message |
26. Kick GOP+46, and how to keep score. |
|
For those of you who like a horse race:
Divide each candidate's vote gain by the number of votes so far counted for that candidate:
D:
144/235938 = 0.0006103298324136
R:
190/322867 = 0.000588477608426999
The candidate with the bigger number is "in the lead"
To make up 42 votes, Gregoire has to get her "score" this much above Rossi:
42/1372442 = .0000307 (rounded up)
Today was a good day. Rossi was leading before today, and Gregiore is now close to where she needs to be to win the hand recount. He should have picked up more in Yakima.
(And that of course doesn't include the hundreds of uncounted King County ballots, but it would be nice if the victory didn't have to rely on those entirely. And one spurious major glitch could push the race one way or the other really fast.)
|
skids
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Tue Dec-14-04 07:14 PM
Response to Original message |
27. Kick GOP +62, Rossi has only 5 majority R counties left. |
Jersey Devil
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Dec-16-04 06:43 PM
Response to Original message |
28. kick - GOP +32 Three counties to go including King (nt) |
skids
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Fri Dec-17-04 07:08 PM
Response to Original message |
29. I know there's another thread but... |
|
It's just funny that the original headline on this post is now accurate again :-)
|
keepthemhonest
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Fri Dec-17-04 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #29 |
30. this is great if we win this one |
|
then I say there is hope for our other fights as well
|
DU
AdBot (1000+ posts) |
Thu Apr 25th 2024, 12:58 AM
Response to Original message |