Come Away With Me...

[Patsy Stone]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3987237.stm

Drawing up blueprints for Bush victory

By Rachel Clarke
BBC News, Washington

"Early exit polls quoted by media seemed to give Mr Kerry the edge, but colleagues said Mr Rove indicated right away that they did not tally with his information."
"He used his own data to put Ohio and Florida in the Bush column - bringing cheers from the president and his family when he went into the Roosevelt Room and told them."

Okay. I have never liked these two sentences. What about a letter to Ms. Clarke asking her if she saw anything? Should I bother, or am I insane?

Tin Foil Hats ON!

[BlueDog2u]

1. Please do write her

She obviously knows more than most people about what actually went down. She needs to know that her account has raised eyebrows all over the world.

[Patsy Stone]

2. It's just the way

they sit there on the page. So...prescient. I thought it was just me. I wish I knew a good investigative journalist with contacts.

What the hell should I say? "Hi, um, Ms. Clarke, if you don't mind putting your life on the line here, couldja let me know if Turd Blossom did anything funky with a spreadsheet?" My own personal TFH theory is exactly that, coupled with interfaces to the tabulators in the locked down counties.

How do I put this? Do I suggest she meet me in a parking garage? Any ideas? :)

[Eric J in MN]

3. Just ask

where did Rove get his data?

[DoYouEverWonder]

33. Rove admitted to doing his own polling

during an interview with Bill O'Reily before the election.

[Patsy Stone]

42. A 10!

This was one of my favorite mutations of the f'n Fearless Leader billboards. LOL!

[Klimmer]

61. Yes, I will Come Away With You...

If the recount goes forward then we win. If we win, then it proves massive fraud has occurred. And if massive fraud has occurred in Ohio, then it occurred in Florida and many other important states.

So then, what Rove had done and said to the President that election night with others present and with it quoted in the paper . . .

"He used his own data to put Ohio and Florida in the Bush column - bringing cheers from the president and his family when he went into the Roosevelt Room and told them."

. . . is none other than him admitting to fraud. No one else had information or reason to believe that Bush was leading. So how did he? The exit polls said just the opposite. All I can imagine is that Rove got on the phone and called-up and began operation "Steal Kerry Vote" or what ever operative word or phrase they had for it. And then yes, before his eyes on the computer the numbers started to change.

Many have asked, Did Bush know? Of course he did. They all did . . .

". . .bringing cheers from the president and his family when he went into the Roosevelt Room and told them."

Get Kerry into office and bring down the Bush crime family and his administration. Fully investigate the election throughout the nation, and place those into office who actually did win honestly their elected positions.

Let Kerry do what he did to BCCI. This time only bigger and better. WaterGate was nothing compared to what we are experiencing now. It's dark out there.

[TexasChick]

10. Ah! But, Turd Blossom is too nice of a name for Pillsbury Roveboy,

Patsy!

[Patsy Stone]

13. But now you're dissing the doughboy :)

I prefer Dark Lord...

[TexasChick]

17. Oh, man! I'm sorry Pillsbury Doughboy! No harm intended to ya! LOL! n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

30. Actually doesn't Rove look like Porky Pig on steroids?

He is a disgusting POS!

[TexasChick]

38. LOL! I don't really know. It's kind of hard to look at him because he is

the most ugliest man I have ever seen. Really! How any woman can find him attractive is beyond me! Whew! I think when KKKarl was conceived, God did make his first mistake!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

4. This part must be read.

And when the TV networks gave either Ohio or Nevada to Mr Bush but not both - which would have led him to be declared as the winner - Mr Rove was one of the president's aides who got on the phone to news chiefs to try to pressure them to change their minds.

But he is far more than the bully or evil genius as he is often portrayed.

[Patsy Stone]

5. I can't imagine

what more he could *be* if not the devil incarnate. Is there anything higher (lower?) than that? Even Dark Lord of the Sith is better than Prince of Darkness.

It does sound like she's really sayin' something...

[shraby]

6. This to me sounds peculiar

"He used his own data to put Ohio and Florida in the Bush column"

Does that mean he tweaked the totals to put Ohio and Florida in the Bush column??????

[Patsy Stone]

8. Answer unclear

ask again later. That's what the Magic 8 Ball would say.

I'm so curious, I could die.

[KatieB]

15. SURE DOES SOUND THAT WAY - "used his own HIS data in Ohio and FL..."

The guy sounds like he really got involved in the machine tampering

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

27. Yes, she is. Although I don't think Rove is the Prince of Darkness

(Isn't that Richard Perle's knickname?)I do believe he is a psychotic sociopath, just like his charge, George.

[Patsy Stone]

7. OK, I'm going to do it.

"Kerry voters may have been motivated by the war or the economy, but it seems that in this election, not enough of them felt strongly enough to go and stand in line to vote."

Correcting her bad info in this paragraph gives me a good in. Thanks for the support! Wish me luck.

[ClintCooper2003]

9. He sure did use "his own data" now didn't he!

The Bush team did a great job of "creating their own reality."

[TexasChick]

11. They are absolutely masters at it! If there's one single thing these

fascists do right, is twist things around to make their own reality and try to force it on others as the truth!

[ClintCooper2003]

12. Wait a minute!

"He (Karl Rove) set up computers in the Old Family Dining Room and started tabulating results. He had set up a massive network of contacts, not just in state capitals, but individual districts and precincts to monitor turnout and support."

Doesn't this strike anyone else as "odd."

[Patsy Stone]

14. Honey

Why do you think I posted this? It's been driving me nucking futs. I have to write to this woman. I'm just thinking about what I want to say. Any suggestions?

[KatieB]

18. Talk to her straight such as

You said this in your article...the country is overwhelmed with reports of election machine fraud. And ask if she could be more specific abut how he "used his data..."

[Patsy Stone]

21. Yep

I just have to find the words. I like to ruminate for a bit before I compose... :) Thanks forthe good suggestion.

[KoKo]

19. What if the article is a "Plant" by Rove just to get us in a dither? How

would we know?

Maybe you can sort of sneak it in petending you are a Karl Rove lover and just want to hear more about your hero. How did he get his own numbers because you are "SO" impressed. That way you aren't tipping your hand that your a Dem...in case she's a Bush/Rove lover. :shrug:

[Patsy Stone]

20. So doubtful

that the article is a plant. Why would you even hint at the possiblity of insinuation of something criminal if you were a Rovian reporter?
No, I think not.

I absolutely will tell her that she is dead wrong on the lines. I have to do further research to find out if she's written any other articles retracting that info.

[KoKo]

23. Here's a very interesting article about Bush by Clarke

I remember reading this article...it's old and wondering how the reporter got away with it. I Googled and didn't find any other articles about Bush...except the one you posted. So she might be okay. But, why would Rove have let her into the White House Private offices after she wrote this article critical of Bush....??


How Bush shuns the media
By Rachel Clarke
BBC News Online in Washington

Americans can see their president on television almost every day. From policy speeches to White House meetings to photo opportunities on the road with selected groups, the sight of George W Bush is anything but a rarity.

Mr Bush holds far fewer briefings than his predecessors
But opportunities for the nation's press to question the leader are far less common.

He will make comments before or after events - such as paying tribute to the late comedian Bob Hope - and he takes two questions after meeting visiting foreign leaders like Israel's Ariel Sharon.

Yet the White House can let months go by without giving the press any extended opportunity to ask questions of the president.

Mr Bush's last news conference was on 6 March this year, 11 days before he issued Saddam Hussein with an ultimatum to leave Iraq or face invasion.

Since then, there has been the war itself, growing concern about difficulties still being faced by US troops in Iraq and a row over the intelligence used to justify the attack.

Media frustration

more...http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3110591.stm

[ClintCooper2003]

28. Ask her to think logically - why would Karl Rove need to....

"tabulate" anything? It doesn't make any sense! Why would he be "tabulating the results."

Unless, of course, he really was tabluating the actual results. Which makes perfect sense, now that I think about it.

[stirringstill]

47. How did Kerry monitor the returns?

Clearly the whole vote tabulation and reporting process seems to be "secret" and has been for decades. Votes were once counted by the womens league and then by news organizations. The perception of winning has been elevated above the actual votes, and I think this should be attacked and the process should be forced into the day light by election reform legislation. Perception trumps a vast swath voter protection laws, and Bush/Rove have used this to their advantage.

I am curious how Kerry's campaign monitored the election. On election night, I do remember Carville coming back from a break and he mentioned that he had spoken with some Kerry people on the ground in Ohio who are in a position to know what is going on. It would be interesting to compare the types of information available to camp on that night.

[Patsy Stone]

48. Do you think

she'd know? I posted my letter (first draft) below. Don't mind asking her, though.

[KatieB]

16. Yes, in fact, it sounds like quite the operation

[DoYouEverWonder]

34. Especially since he is running a campaign out of the WH

that alone is highly illegal.

Remember when Gore supposedly made a few fund raising phone calls? The Repugs were screaming for a Special Council. Yet Rove ran the entire campaign, did his own polling and now we learn set up an operation center in the WH on the night of the election.

[KoKo]

22. What was Rachel Clarke doing there on Election night? BBC Reporter?

Bush hates reporters...It's all very odd...

[Patsy Stone]

24. I know. I don't know.

I'm wondering why she was up in the residence? Isn't that where the Old Family Dining room is? I'm gonna sleep on it, but I'll be on it tomorrow. I'll post it when I write it. Thanks, btw, for that other article. I do wonder why BBC myself, and why so close?

[KoKo]

29. What have you decided....the article about Rove is too good but

it's hard to know what to make of it. The article shows that Rove was "pressuring" the media at the last minute, but doesn't really say what he was asking them to do...

Who could use this article? It's good ammunition somewhere...but where?
And how do we know what the intent of the article was?

How could Cooke's info about Rove election be verified by another source so that we know she's legit? But, to be in the President's family quarters the night of the election...just makes her seem tainted somehow. But, what if she got in on her own and is trying to alert us to Rove's "election night" manipulation. :shrug:

[Scout1071]

25. Pats -

Feckin' brilliant.

[Patsy Stone]

26. Big Smile

Sweetie Darling.

[pipes]

31. What if, because she is BBC, she is talking

No doubt our press wont touch it with a ten foot pole but BBC, why not?

She is not drawing any conclusions, just reporting. Rove made his own calculations and decided that the exit polls were wrong.

The question is not why was she there, the better question is why is she the only one reporting.

And if she found it news worthy maybe she is actually almost questioning why Rove can declare the winner and then call all the news execs to let them know that his data was correct and everone elses was flawed.

Funny I thought it was the people who chose, not Rove...

[lonestarnot]

32. No need to bother, and I don't really see the point of this post.

Could hardly stand reading about rover...turdblossom too nice of a name LOL... What is your objective, to see if cheaters will fess up?

[Time for change]

37. I think it's worth a try

We're searching for clues. Every once in a while we are likely to get lucky. Put enough clues together, and we may be able to figure out how the election was stolen. If we figure that out we may have a reasonable chance of reversing it.

[Shalom]

35. Just because you are paranoid...

doesn't mean that no one is out to get you:

1. Of course this stinks to high heaven

2. Of course Ms. Clarke was not allowed to see or hear anything incriminating

3. Of course Karl Rove was confident because while we were looking at exit polls, he was looking at "entry polls" (the template determined earlier about what they were going to take where)

4. Karl Rove is not a genius, any more than Goebbels, Hitler's minister of propagand was a genius. It's easy to appear to be a genius when you control the ballot box. The truth is that "Goebbels Rove" presided over the fall of Bushitler's popularity from 90% to about 45%, even with the full machinery of the fascist repigs (psycho ops, nation at war, 9/11 boost) at his disposal, and had to resort to outright theft to stay in power.

5. When Hitler went down, Goebbels and his wife commited suicide, and murdered all of their SIX children. What will Rove do when Bushitler goes down the toilet of history ? Hope he joins him..

[malaise]

36. Does anyone remember

that there was media surprise that they were watching the election results from the WH and not Crawford.

[KoKo]

39. I remember! They had a shocked look...like it broke protocol and they

were scrambling...I had Jennings (ABC) on and turned to CBS...they looked stunned shuffling papers. I've watched alot of election return nights...with these same folks.

It flagged that there was something odd going on. I didn't know what it meant, but other DU'ers commented the next day.

What did it mean that so many of us "flagged" it? What was going on?

[IAMREALITY]

40. I have an immediate relative that works with ABC

That relative said that the mood after all results came in was that of silence, somberness and awe. Came off to me when I was told this that they just knew something wasn't right.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

46. That sounds about how the rest of us were feeling... nt

[Chelsea Patriot]

58. Nazi Bitch Magda Goebbels....Does Rove have a Consort?

He certainly doesn't have 6 children.

The Ball-less Rove could never produce that much sperm.

[bleever]

41. I had the same damn jarring impression the first time I read those

words; something just strange about them.

Like reading a letter that a kidnapped person was supposed to write: "I assuage you that I am finely okay."

He "used" his own data? To "put" the states into *'s column?

And why the separate office she also mentioned for Rove's computer room?

And sure TB would want to watch the polling and returns very closely, but why have intimate detailed knowledge of individual precincts and counties, when all the campaigning is over, and the only thing left is the voting? What's he gonna do, smack his head and curse that he lost this hamlet or that borough?

The only reason you need that kind of data is if you need to make careful, detailed changes.

So, as to how to write to Ms. Clarke, my idea at this moment is to ask her why she had the access she did, and if it seemed a surprise to her, and also to directly mention that "some" people are reading into the wording and wondering if she might have phrased it differently given that inference.

You go, girl.

:hi:

[bleever]

43. How's that letter coming?

Enquiring minds want to know.

:7

or put another way: how YOU doin'?

[Patsy Stone]

45. Just posted.

Tell me what you think.

[Patsy Stone]

44. Here's the first draft -- Please add or subtract...

Dear Ms . Clarke,

As I’m sure you know, there is a low, but steady drumbeat sounding about the legitimacy of the recent US election. In our efforts to assess the situation fully, an ability to discard worthless data and dead-ends is as important as completely pursuing the fruitful leads.

I hope you can help me put some of these issues to rest. In an article you wrote on November 3 for the BBC, there were a few sentences that just didn’t “sit right” with me. I’m not sure if this was a first-hand report, it seems that it was. The situation you described, while unorthodox itself, was made more intriguing by your choice of words.

If possible, would you be willing to answer a few questions about that evening and your report?

Did you find it odd that you were admitted to such an event? I don’t mean you personally I mean the press in general. I guess I’m assuming that the press was invited. Were they? How many? Who?

Here are two sentences that particularly give me pause, could you clarify the information you referred to?

"Early exit polls quoted by media seemed to give Mr. Kerry the edge, but colleagues said Mr. Rove indicated right away that they did not tally with his information."

"He used his own data to put Ohio and Florida in the Bush column - bringing cheers from the president and his family when he went into the Roosevelt Room and told them."

Thank you in advance and any help you could provide will be greatly appreciated. The concept and practice of free and fair elections cannot be taken too seriously and, that desire, lead me to write to you today.

Best Regards,


I actually included the url of the story, but it didn't translate here. So, whadda ya think?

[Catamount]

49. first draft-

bloody brilliant

[proudtobeadem]

50. Excellent!! Patsy,

I PM'd you regarding this articla a little while ago. You can PM me back. :)

[proudtobeadem]

56. So are you sending it by email?

or snail mail? Did you send it yet? I'm Dying to know what she says!:)

[Patsy Stone]

57. e-mail

I just have to find the addy.

[WritersBlock]

59. Did you find the address?

Hi Patsy,

If you haven't found an address yet, most of the BBC radio presenters' e-mail addresses are in the format of:

[e-mail]

so it may also work for all employees.

[Patsy Stone]

60. That's exactly what

I tried. Let's see how it goes. :)

[bleever]

51. Pats:

Sweetie Darling.

I'd only add some punctuation edits where your brilliance was too focused on precise locution to bother with dots and dashes.

But I know you can do that.

Kisses. It's perfect.

[Patsy Stone]

52. On reading it again

I did that on the doc itself before I saw your post. I have a tendency towards the verbose. And the comma splice. :) Thanks!

[bleever]

54. Really lovely, such a light touch.

Sun Tzu would be proud.

:)

[Patsy Stone]

53. Better?

Dear Ms. Clarke,

As I’m sure you know, there is a low but steady drumbeat sounding about the legitimacy of the recent US election. In order to assess the situation fully, the ability to discard worthless data and dead-ends is as important as completely pursuing all fruitful leads.

I hope you can help me put some of these issues to rest. In an article you wrote on November 3 for the BBC, there were a few sentences that just didn’t “sit right” with me. I’m not sure if this was a first-hand report, but it seems that it was. The election night situation you described, unorthodox enough itself, was made even more intriguing by your choice of words.

If possible, would you be willing to answer a few questions about that evening and your report?

Did you find it odd that you were admitted to such an event? Not you personally, but the press in general? I guess I’m assuming that the press was invited. Were they? How many? Who?

Also, here are two sentences that particularly give me pause:

"Early exit polls quoted by media seemed to give Mr. Kerry the edge, but colleagues said Mr. Rove indicated right away that they did not tally with his information."

"He used his own data to put Ohio and Florida in the Bush column - bringing cheers from the president and his family when he went into the Roosevelt Room and told them."

Could you clarify the information you referred to? Where did it come from? Was Mr. Rove using other polling data?

And, lastly, is it common for a member of a campaign to call the networks to convince them to change their reporting of an election’s outcome?

Thank you in advance. The concept and practices of free and fair elections cannot be taken too seriously and that desire is what has led me to write to you today. Any help you could provide would be greatly appreciated.

Best Regards,

[bleever]

55. Indeed, especially with regards to

the "Is it common for a member of a campaign..."

So very well done. I'll wake up tomorrow wondering if a response has yet come.