edit: don't mind me, i am paranoid.

[New Earth]

i was just thinking of that thread - one of the journalists mentioning something about Kerry winning Pennsyvania.....might have been suspiciious, etc....

this might sound paranoid, but i just want everyone to watch out - what if *whoever* planned and arranged this fraud purposely had some kind of tampering done in states or counties in Kerry's favor? I mean, set him up so that in case the fraud is proved they will say well, look, there's fraud on Kerry's end too?

This scared me for a minute, someone please tel me to stop thinking.

[Democrat Dragon]

1. I think the whole "we're just trying to make sure every vote is counted"

Thing may have a diffrent purpose than just a disclaimer.;)

[New Earth]

2. what do you mean?

how does it relate to what i'm saying? i'm confused.


(dont worry, that happens a lot)

[Democrat Dragon]

10. I'm saying that

If it turns out that way, the bi-partisan talk should take care of it.

[saracat]

3. Stop thinking Faye.

I don't think they would bother.JMHO. I think that this whole thing was a lot simpler than people think.

[New Earth]

4. *stops thinking*

[Griffy]

5. Take a deep breath!

the sarch for details is endless... the proof is already clear... focus on what we can do to alert others.. this is about getting Americans out on the street... so plan to march, especiallyplan to go to DC in January... meanwhile print a sign, put it in your car window.... buy an orange hat..get the word out..

2 good article in the MSM .. fan the flame of truth!

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/12/09/EDGSVA88P51.DTL

or here..

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.election09dec09,0,3131082.story?coll=bal-oped-headlines

[New Earth]

7. huh?

i'm not losing any kind of hope, just getting a little scared, worried about what their fight or 'comeback' is going to be.

how come i feel like saracat is the only one so far who understood my post :(

[liberalla]

20. then I'm paranoid too...

because I worry very much about what they will do... what tricks they have up their sleeve. These people will do ANYTHING to stay in power. They have a LOT to lose, and they are not going to start playing fair now. They will go to any length to keep power.

I feel good about the progress we have made but, in the back of my mind I am very concerned about what these corrupt desperate people will do. Besides planting evidence to frame someone else, there's blackmail, kidnapping, arson (as a warning)...People have died mysteriously--suicides, overdoses, car accidents, plane crashes...

There's so much on the line, they won't go quietly or easily.
And we can't give up because - there's SO MUCH ON THE LINE.

[txindy]

6. Okay. Stop thinking, Faye.

Lol! Listen, they said that to try and dismiss the topic in an offhand manner in front of their audience. I wouldn't worry about it. They didn't even conceal their fraud very well. They certainly didn't go to the trouble of planting evidence of fraud against Kerry. They were too busy stealing votes that night. And they're not that coordinated. They're certainly not that bright. Plus they're ugly and they smell funny. Feel better?

[New Earth]

8. lol

that would be fucked up tho, wouldn't it? if they did that?

bad enough what they've already done...

[witchhazl]

15. I better stop thinking too, or go to bed if I'm so confused --

but I don't see what's out of line in Faye's thinking. Rove not smart enough? are you kidding? If they did this, if it was in any way coordinated, I'm sure worried about what boobytraps they've set for Kerry.

But I do agree-- it just may not be very useful to worry about it. Just concentrate on what we can do, try to get every vote counted accurately, and let the chips fall where they may.

[life_long_dem]

17. Faye, you must be upset, I've never seen you swear in a post before.

Believe me, I am way beyond upset. If it wasn't for DU I dont know what I would do. Everyday it gets better and better though; we are finding out new things that we can use to bring down the BFEE.

Try and relax, and Kerry on.

[New Earth]

23. haha! i've just been trying to keep my words clean on this board

you have no idea!!! every other word out of my mouth is filth. lol

[tandem5]

9. nah they are far more mundane, but no less effective in their efforts

yeah so that's not very consoling. sorry.

[seito]

11. Faye, I really do not think RoveCo imagined we would get this far

They prepared for a frontal assault, and their defenses are fortified. We have outflanked them, and the evildoers are sweating it out now. While some are sloppily trying to weave their way out, others are abandoning ship.

I can't wait to watch the documentary The Rise and Fall of the BFEE.

[RaulVB]

14. Correct!

I can assure you that they were not counting with a bunch of "internets" getting into this with such a passionate resolve.

They are not ready for what will make them fall.

[Alizaryn]

12. yeah its scarey but I would agree to a full revote!

[truehawk]

13. Faye, They will do that So what???

They will have a few precincts that went unexpectedly for Kerry, we will have 20 times more with 60% Kerry voters that went for Bush.

The old saw has always been both sides cheat, expect their side cheats 20 times as much!!!

[Carolab]

16. Why?

Is there anything to support this theory? From what I understand, PA looked fairly normal. Is that wrong?

[JI7]

18. it might be an attempt to discourage the Ohio recount, if Republicans want

to do a recount in Pennsylvania then we should support them in it. i bet they would back off on it.

[labouchet]

19. I don't think you're paranoid...

Faye, it's no secret that the Democrats are not strangers to electoral fraud. I have no idea "if" or "how widespread" it was as a factor in this last election, but I'm pretty sure it's one of the reasons the large-D Dems have been reluctant to come forward on this issue.

Personally, I'm looking for reforms that benefit "us", the regular people, and if it means large-D heads have to roll along with the Republicans, so be it. Cheaters are cheaters, and they've got to be made to see that it matters. Simple as that.

As for any "innocent" Dems that may have been "set up" for fraud allegations - I'll wait for proof, or lack of, and base my judgement on the facts. Haven't heard anything yet.

[The Judged]

21. Actually there was Republican fraud planted to appear as Democratic fraud.

It was reported and circulated in some e-mails that were publicized prior to the election. (I do not have links at all for this, I read it in another forum, and I cannot verify the authenticity of that information)

These attempts to discredit the Democrats, just as the Democratic vote rigging "bombshell" in PA announced on Election Day morning, and the pre-Election Day voter registration allegations against Democratic subcontractors are perceived to be untraceable to the Democrats, even though there may still be some acts of fraud waiting to be discovered.

Remember, since Election Day the Republican Revolutionaries have had to do NOTHING except mute the media and feed them Kool-Aid, in order to remain in the driver's seat on the election issues.

If massive Republican or other election fraud is actually brought to light, then we will first begin to see the undoubtedly prepared Republican Revolutionaries march into action in order to put it down quickly.

We can try to predict their strategy, but it is unlikely to be figured out without a rat fink member of their clandestine criminal operation crossing over to our side in order to bring them down or getting caught by a Democratic Law enforcement officer who uses newly validated torture tactics in order to extricate the truth from enemy combatants here in the U.S.

[reality_bites]

22. You should persue this line of inquiry...

...to the bitter end.

[weeve]

24. You can rest easy now Faye ...

... if reality_bites agrees with your paranoid line of reasoning, then you know damned well that it is WRONG!!

Best line of attack ... be relentless in contacting your Democratic Senators / Reps - especially those Senators up for re-election in 2006 - and let them know that the clock is ticking . If they don't somehow get enacted serious Verifiable Voter legislation , guess who will be "mandated" right out of a job in two years!

Say, does anyone know if Cliff Arnebeck actually filed his lawsuit today, as he stated he'd do at Conyers hearing ?

[Higans]

25. just because I am paranoid does not mean they are not out to get me.

[selmo7]

26. and the motto is

It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game.

and that's within every human's conscience -