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Fri Dec-10-04 02:14 AM
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AlJazeerah (Canada) says Steve Coll (WaPo) saw Kerry's winning numbers |
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Fri Dec-10-04 02:17 AM
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It's important to me that the WORLD know this was stolen out from under us. I hate to think the world opinion of us if they think we wanted Bush back in.
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Fri Dec-10-04 02:18 AM
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2. Just f'ing great!!!!! We have to read this crap here. I'm disgusted! |
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and going to bed.
CORPORATE AMERICA controls the media and we get MANUFACTURED NEWS. CORPORATE AMERICA now controls the voting machines and we get MANUFACTURED ELECTIONS.
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Fri Dec-10-04 02:22 AM
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3. and the word spreads... grow baby grow!! nt |
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Fri Dec-10-04 02:23 AM
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4. It isn't al Jazeera, it's al Jazeerah (and a Canadian author) |
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Fooled me, too. It's still a good opinion.
Why did the exit polls show Kerry winning the election, but the vote showed Bush winning?
The apologia by the exit poll system architects reported in the New York Times Nov 5 sounds like post-facto reasoning which assumed that the vote is correct, and therefore the exit polls must be wrong. In its own words, it then "theorized" reasons why the exit poll could have been wrong.
Why did these problems occur now and not in previous elections? Didn't the poll architects plan for them? The wrong-exit-poll theories should be tested. At the polls where the reasons occurred, how are the results different from the vote at those polls? If those results are thrown out, do the remaining results still show a difference between the exit poll and the vote, at that polling station?
'"The last wave of national exit polls we received, along with many other subscribers, showed Kerry winning the popular vote by 51 percent to 48 percent, if true, surely enough to carry the Electoral College,'' Steve Coll, managing editor of The Washington Post, wrote in an online chat with readers Wednesday.' Assuming that the "last" exit poll covered the last voters, then the last exit poll should have been very accurate if there were sufficient numbers.
Tom Trottier, Ottawa ON Canada
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Fri Dec-10-04 02:26 AM
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6. Thanks! I corrected the mistake (n/t) |
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Fri Dec-10-04 02:26 AM
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5. It's funny that you say that, because he said he wouldn't shy away if true |
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He said it in that very same chat, which I recall reading...something like, "If there's evidence of fraud, we won't avoid reporting it."
My guess is that he's full of it, but I'd love to see it on the front page of the Post. Would make up for the past five years of Dubya boosting they did in my book.
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Fri Dec-10-04 02:35 AM
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7. Subpoena him NOW for the Arnebeck fraud case... |
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before he has an 'accident.'
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Fri Dec-10-04 02:41 AM
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8. What's the email address to send this to |
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Edited on Fri Dec-10-04 02:58 AM by shraby
Arnebeck? He needs it asap.
Thank you. Sent it to Arnebeck and to Citizens for Legitimate Government.
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Fri Dec-10-04 02:47 AM
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Fri Dec-10-04 02:57 AM
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10. Fantastic post! kick n/t |
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Fri Dec-10-04 03:18 AM
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11. It just reaffirms my belief that the election was STOLEN! |
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Fri Dec-10-04 03:22 AM
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12. Is that chat online? Shouldn't there be a record at the post? n/t |
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Fri Dec-10-04 03:32 AM
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Fri Dec-10-04 03:34 AM
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14. I'm hunting for it now. n/t |
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Fri Dec-10-04 03:42 AM
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15. link to washington post article |
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Fri Dec-10-04 03:45 AM
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16. Here's a longer quote; |
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"I see no possibility that the exit polls were right and the vote count was wrong. I see lots of reason to think that -- again, as they have often been in the past -- the exit polls were badly flawed. This was a real problem in our newsroom last night. The last wave of national exit polls we received, along with many other subscribers, showed Kerry winning the popular vote by 51 percent to 48 percent -- if true, surely enough to carry the electoral college, however the contested states in the midwest broke down. The sample size was so large that it appeared beyond the usual margins of error in polling. Yet the poll was dead wrong. How can this be? You can be sure we'll be asking that question pointedly in the days ahead, as well as producing stories for readers about the issues>"
So you can see he approached the issue with certain preconceptions.
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Fri Dec-10-04 03:45 AM
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Edited on Fri Dec-10-04 03:45 AM by smartvoter
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Fri Dec-10-04 03:52 AM
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18. How's this for rationalization? |
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"Which is more likely -- that an exit polling system that has been consistently wrong and troubled turned out to be wrong and troubled again, or that a vast conspiracy carried out by scores and scores of county and state election officials was successfully carried off to distort millions of American votes? I think the Kerry campaign concluded that the former is what happened.
But we'll keep our eyes open for hard evidence of abuse, and we won't be afraid to investigate if we see something significant."
Yeah right.
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Fri Dec-10-04 04:54 AM
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19. It needs sent to Conyers...he needs that information. |
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Fri Dec-10-04 05:33 PM
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22. shraby, here's the address: |
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Fri Dec-10-04 03:31 PM
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Have they figured out yet why the exit polls were so wrong? I'll bet they're looking pretty hard, lol...
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Fri Dec-10-04 05:23 PM
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Edited on Fri Dec-10-04 05:25 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
just a way of covering their butts. Kind of disingenuous. Oops! Oh my! Can this really be true...!
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Fri Dec-10-04 07:13 PM
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23. Kick in the pants...nt |
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