Kerry in 2008

[Sodium Pentothal]

There have been a few threads here and there that decry Kerry talking about running again, especially if he does not fight for this one.

What I have come to believe is, Kerry has given up 2004. There is no amount of evidence that will put him in office this time. Maybe in a year or two, Bush could be impeached or resign, but that does not put Kerry in office.

I would think he started floating his name for 2008 to win the seat he should have had 4 years earlier, and he will have proof he won. In this future, the repugs will be disgraced, and Kerry will have an easy ascension. I do not think Kerry would run again if he thought he lost fair and square. I believe he is counting on the evidence to mount over time, and before the elections of 2008, for the fraud in '04 to give him an easy win as the "shoulda-been-Prez" candidate.


Why does my opinion deserve its own thread? Well, lets talk about it. I have heard too much falling out in our party, saying I'm moving, I'm not voting again, I'm going green... well, if this is Kerry's strategy, and this is why he threw his hat in the ring, do you support him? It is futile for him to be president in January; the amount of coverage of the "dems" stealing an election would destroy him. At this point, we must have it in the history books Bush stole it, and Kerry took his rightful place in 2008.

[andyhappy]

1. then why doesn't he just say so

whats with all the secrecy.

I think thats why a lot of us feel betrayed is how closed the whole dem party became.

He will not run again and if he does he will get whipped in the primaries.

[Sodium Pentothal]

3. just playing defense

Right now, if they said anything, the attack dogs will go wild, with much press discrediting their views and evidence. They have got to be counting on this taking shape in the coming months, and having tangible results in the end.

Right now, John Public has no idea (most likely) that anything occurred fraudulently in 2004. The first time they do hear something about it (20/20, 60 minutes kinda exposure) it has to be positive and idiot proof. This has got to be the case, because the alternative is the Dem party has rolled over and will never get back up.

[proudtobeadem]

9. Whenever the results are ready to come out there

will be some kind of attack or emergency that will bury the story,
did you forget about when the MYT was going to publish who really won Florida 2000?? What happened 1 day before?

[rockymountaindem]

2. Well, Mr. Truth Serum

Expressing that sentiment around here might not win you any popularity contests, but it's something people need to hear. Getting up and screaming at the media "I was robbed" would ruin Kerry's career. It would deprive the people of Massachusetts of good representation in the Senate, because so many would see him as disgraced.

Even if fraud were somehow proven in some obscure way, the media would discredit it and many people, including a lot of Democrats, would simply refuse to believe such a thing could happen here. I'm not saying there was fraud, but if there was Kerry should do what he is probably doing, taking it apart slowly and behind the scenes. That's Kerry's game. If he plays it cool, he could concieveably win in 08 even without fraud being proven. Why should we let so much experience go to waste?

[xxqqqzme]

4. he got my vote once

and I wasn't thrilled about that 'nomination'. I felt my vote was held hostage cuz the DLC knew I wouldn't vote 4 yellow rogue. I was one of the people ignored this cycle. I'm tired of it. I did not put the energy, skill & money n2 the '04 campaign only 2 B betrayed yet again!!! Fooled me once, shame on U. Fooled me twice...uh.....well U can't fool me again. (or something to that effect).

[righteous1]

5. Really does him no good at this

point to make any statement to that effect. Keeping powder dry and will make his intentions known when he feels the time is right IMHO

[Shalom]

6. No Matter What Happens Now, Dems are In Better Shape in 2006/2008

Dems were duty bound to try to wrest control of America from Bushitler in 2004, to try to stem the damage he is doing in both domestic and foreign policy. We must remember the AWOL cowardly cokehead managed to climb down from 90% approval to less than 50%, and needed to steal the 2004 election to stay in office.

The slide will just continue, as the shit hits the fan in Iraq, the CIA continues to leak about Bushitler's lies in his first term, the economy continues to tank, and so on. It would have been great to throw the POS and VP Chicanery out of office right now (and into the Gitmo Gulag), but the truth is President Kerry would be stuck right now with cleaning up the BBM (Bush's Big Mess).

Kerry won the 2004 election thru his own merits and efforts, and if things continue to deteriorate, he will be the strongest candidate in 2008, since all of his warnings about Bushitler will have come to pass.

[MarkusQ]

10. So it will be all the more surprising when Bush wins yet again!

So what if all the warnings come to pass, as long as the elections are rigged? That is what you're asserting, when you say that Bush "needed to steal the 2004 election to stay in office," isn't it?

So by 2008 everybody loves Kerry, hates and fears Bush, we all rush to the polls, and Bush wins by a landslide. Then what?

Wait for 2012 and hope that things get better some how...that the Democrats will run Dean since the exit polls in 2008 showed an amazing 85% of America prefer candidates with four-letter names?

The time to deal with this is now.

--MarkusQ

P.S. Remember, the two term limit was just added in the 1900's...and could easily be taken out again if the mid terms are good to the GOP. And, if the vote is rigged...

[Shalom]

11. You Are Right If We Don't Fix the Voting Process by 2006/8

But having been ripped off once, and again, do you think either party can defend not insisting upon a totally transparent and fraud-free process, not just by 2008, but by 2006!

And, BTW, if it means going to back opscan machines until e-machines are ready, so be it.

[verdalaven]

12. Yes, yes!

As much as I'd like to see Kerry in the White House, the vindictive part of me wants to see Bush to go down with the ship. Bush wants a legacy so bad and will be denied. At best he will be lauded as the WORST PRESIDENT EVER. That kind of legacy is just gonna sting his little ego, you know what I mean?

Stiiiingggg!

[ewulf]

18. We did our due diligence hundred times over.

They can no longer blame us for letting bush do so many awful things: its all on him now. We worked our asses off, we won, and THEY stole it. There is no one to blame but them.

Honestly, that line of thinking makes me feel a hell of a lot better.

Still, we wont be in better shape in 2006/8 if they can steal those election too...

[libertypirate]

7. 2008 Kerry's second term

[Her Blondness]

8. I certainly hope he runs.

To me, Kerry will be the rightful president in exile for the next four years.

I think there may be some democratic leadership who thought Gore blew it for 2004 by fighting so hard in 2000. In the mind of the public, he got stuck with the "sore loser" label which would have tainted any future presidential bids. So, I think maybe Kerry's strategy is to quietly fade away and set the stage for a triumphant return.

As a young man, Kerry lost his first congressional race and he was crushed and very depressed for a long time. But as we all know, he learned to sharpen his game and eventually came back big time as a powerful senator. I think Kerry sees this loss as part of the process on the way to a goal. I think he will win big in 2008.

[troubleinwinter]

13. The question is entirely moot until the election process is fixed NOW.

[Griffy]

22. PROTEST/MARCH/Tell others NOW is the time...

[Peace Patriot]

14. 2008 will never come...

1. If Kerry doesn't come forward on Jan. 6 to sign the black House members' SECOND petition to the Senate to STOP Congress from certifying the vote--the first was in 2000 when not one Senator would sign it (famous scene in "F9/11")--John Kerry and the Democratic Party are finished.

--I think we should appeal to K/E's highest selves--that swiftboat captain turning his boat into the action, that courageous antiwar veteran, that BCII and Iran-Contra investigator, and the fiery defender of the "little guy" who ran as his v-p, and also lay out the TRAGEDY of the black citizen voting rights struggle coming down to THIS--this disgrace in OH and FLA in 04! You wonder why Jesse Jackson was weeping at the Conyers hearing? THAT's why. K/E have the hearts to understand this. We must move those two hearts! However...

--Democratic Party leaders are guilty of a catastrophic failure of leadership in allowing rightwing Republican Bush donors to get control of our election system, with SECRET source code for their electronic voting machines and no "paper trail" in one third of the country. At the very least Dem leaders shoud have screamed bloody murder about this and warned everyone! They let everybody work like Hell for them KNOWING that the election system itself had been irreparably compromised!

--So if they don't come forward NOW, acknowledge that this private pro-Bush election system is a fraud, apologize to their supporters for not warning us, and FIGHT LIKE HELL to overturn this election, the activists who elected them president and vice president by a landslide WILL NEVER SUPPORT THEM OR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AGAIN. It's OVER! And that warning needs to be issued to them, in addition to appealing to their higher selves.

--K/E PROMISED black and others voters that 2000 WOULD NOT HAPPEN AGAIN! They said it over and over and over on the campaign trail. And here we are--with black voters taking the worst hit ever in vote suppression in 04, and overwhelming evidence of both electronic fraud and vote suppression by Republican election officials against Democratic, minority and poor voters.

--They MUST fight it! They MUST!


2. It doesn't matter who gets nominated in 2006 or 2008--or ever again--if we do not achieve, a) a paper trail for every vote, and b) open source code for all electronic voting machines and tabulators.

--It's still possible to do this, but we must act fast at the local and state level. (Bush's Congress is not going to do it!)

--If we do not achieve this, it's not just the Democratic Party that is over--American democacy itself is over. In fact, it's already gone, but we have a chance of recovering it, if we can get our election system out of Bush Inc.'s hands.

It is an utter waste of time to be discussing any other matter.

[Shalom]

16. Tough Talk, But It's Very Hard to Refute You... n/t

[carolinalady]

15. It did not destroy Bush--

"It is futile for him to be president in January; the amount of coverage of the "dems" stealing an election would destroy him"

[politicasista]

17. The future is now...

Before we can think about 2008, we have to take back the MSM. Before the DNC (when I paid attention), the MSM succeeded in making Kerry into the image that Smirky and Doughboy painted him to be: Flip flopper, no personality, windsurfer, liberal, indecisive, shady, phony, just totally disconnected with the rest of the country, while Smirky was a strong good ol boy, down home, down to earth folksy leader. (Plus Kerry had to deal with the tireless comparisons to Clinton).

Thankfully, I didn't watch a lot of the media spin, but if the Democratic party is thinking of the future, it starts with choosing a new, strong DNC chairman and taking back the MSM.

[ewulf]

20. Good point. n/t

[Griffy]

21. no.. thats the point of Kerry staying out of the recount and protests

[Griffy]

19. damnit PPL... FOCUS on now... PROTEST.

If thousands of us take to the sreets we will win.. what does it take to get you all out there.. you know how evil bush is and still discuss whether Kerry is fighting or not.. THIS IS ABOUT THE PEOPLE... WE need to get him in office. it was ALWAYS that way. he will serve us well, do we serve him well... I just got back from fabric store.. bought 30 ft poll of orange baner.. Im in DC.. Ill be out all weekend.. FIGHT DAMNIT FIGGGHHTTTTT!!!

[angrydemocrat]

23. Kerry will run again in 2008

He will be fighting to fix a election process that is broken, and for voters rights in this country while his work continues in the senate. He will continue to help fight and gather evidence to put together the best case possible against those involved in the all the fraud and intimadation so that these people have the harsest penelties allowed by the law for the crimes they have committed. Kerry will continue to fight Bush and all his croanies, pointing out each and every failure and holding him and others that back him accountable for their actions. He will continue to fight these people from destroying social security. He will continue his fight for health care. And he will continue to fight for the men and women in uniform that are serving this country, that are being taking advantaged of by not getting the benefits they deserve, by being made to serve longer than they are suppose to for a bullshit war that was started by choice and sold to congress and the American people on a pack of damn lies.

Kerry will fight these assholes, the next question is how many of the others will have the gonands to fight them? If the 388 billion dollar spending bill is an idea of what is to come well I would have to say not to damn many of them have the gonands to stand up and fight. I guess we will all have to wait and see on that one. I and many others know Kerry is on our side and will fight, those who don't agree I say oh well sit back and watch and you will see. Let's just see who has the gonands to fight instead of bending over a little more and making a little easier for the republicans.

Kerry will run again in 2008. Sure you have those screaming I will never vote for him :eyes: then you have those well I will vote green before I vote for him :crazy: then you have those screaming he wouldn't make it past the primaries :boring: Well as I recall the same remarks flew like wildfire before the primaries the last time and guess what.... he won.:evilgrin: The whole point here is there are many good canidate's and to say that one will lose because you and others disagree with him or are mad and pissing in the wind because he didn't do things the way you wanted, when you wanted him to, and how you wanted is pure BS. :silly: Kerry still has thousands on top of thousands of supporters that are ready to roll up there sleeves and get back to work. There are so many just like myself that was with him all the way on this time and we will be there with him all the way the next time. So don't count him out yet, remember how so many of you made that mistake the last time.

We have alot of good canidates in the Democratic party. All of us have our choices as to who would do a better job and would be the best canidate for the job. But to sit around eating our own, playing the blame game, and in some cases making nasty remarks and name calling will get none of us anywhere's. And it is far to early to say who will win anything here. We need to be supporting our Democratic leaders not degrading them. That is not saying you can't disagree with what they have done or how they vote on something ect. But there is a difference in downright insulting or degrading someone than disagreeing. No one person is above another, they all make mistakes regardless of which one you favor.

Hell for that matter 2004 isn't exactly over yet. :toast:

[libertypirate]

24. Damn... Then why post here..

Where talking about "2004 Election Results and Discussion".

But you want to talk about something that isn't happening for 2 years... Is this Karl, you know you really need to loose some weight buddy. How's your boss, you know "the man", you better not sneak up behind him?