Story Hitting Dozens of papers..."Doubts Persist..."

[EMunster]

http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&tab=wn&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=doubts+persist&btnG=Search+News

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

1. here we go

Thanks, EMunster

[SpiralHawk]

14. You bet your bippy - Mercury is Retrograde

Turn all the shit over in the light of day.

[BlueTarheel]

31. merc retro

I've been thinking that- especially with mercury in sag- pretty much sitting on JK's sun and opposing JE's sun. I hope there's something to it.

[emcguffie]

34. mercury in retrograde

Does mercury in retrograde tend to shed light on what was hidden? Is that what you are saying? Because that would certainly be a big help.

I'm not being facetious or sarcastic. A straight Q looking for a straight answer.

Thanks.

[BlueTarheel]

36. here's a link that explains it well

http://www.astrologyzone.com/forecasts/mercury.html

snip

Why would the Universe give us Mercury retrograde? Because to move forward it is sometimes necessary to backtrack and reconfigure our paths in life. It is important to reconsider, repair, reflect, and reconnect. Mercury forces us to slow down and fix what's broken, and in so doing, rethink things. It also gives us time to get to projects we have put on the back-burner.




I personally like this part: "fix what's broken."

[emcguffie]

42. thanks for reply. How much longer R?

How much longer will it be retrograde? And shedding light, can that happen while it is still? Or will that be more likely after it goes direct?

[MadScientist]

44. Thanks for adding credibility

Astrology?
Am I on the right side here? They are calling us nut jobs, I'm out here defending this movement, and you're talking about astrology???
Please at least try to sound credible. Please.

[BlueTarheel]

46. You're welcome

It's only been around thousands of years. But I appreciate disagreements that are delivered without hostility (end sarcasm).

[OldLeftieLawyer]

53. About astrology

Ask any cop, and he'll tell you that violent crimes increase under a full moon.

I know from my own three decades of experience that, when Mercury is in retrograde, juries will come back with the most bizarre verdicts, defying reason or any evidence that was presented.

I became a believer a long time ago, but then, I was born during a Mercury retrograde.......................

[jamboi]

41. Oh yeah!!! n/t

[ruthg]

48. fasten your seatbelts folks...

its gonna be a bumpy ride...


I was listening to Air America on my way to my clients house to night and I was grinning. I like to grin. I haven't been grinning much since the election but I am grinning now. At the *very least* this should be interesting,

[Goldeneye]

2. Oh Goody...its about freaking time

[electropop]

3. WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Hold on tight, it's gonna be a bumpy ride!

[louis-t]

4. An' cover yer ears cuz there's gonna be

screamin' from the right.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

6. prepare to get coulterized again

[babylonsister]

5. Wow! Thanks!

Perhaps we should send that google search thread to the MSM?:shrug:

[Greybnk48]

7. Wheeeeeeeeee!

Now if they put this on "TEEVEE" maybe my sister will come around too!!

[RaulVB]

8. Man oh man!

HOW I LOVE THE SMELL OF VICTORY!!!

[jdog]

9. Too cool. : ) Thanks. n/t

[libertypirate]

10. Perfect timing, right before the weekend

[wurzel]

11. Why are so many using exactly the same words?

[SueZhope]

13. is it the AP press release

yes thats why its the same one

Associated Press Reports

I see it on them

[SueZhope]

12. If you add this all up

1) the Conyers meeting in Ohio on Monday (Will posted)
2) the Arnebeck lawsuit being filed Monday
3) the MSM media picking this up without the added tin foil

All i can do is break out the jumping green men

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[Quakerfriend]

16. Yeehaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Perhaps, old chimpy should get over his fear of horses..............'cause he's about to take a ride on a buckin' branco!!

[BR_Parkway]

17. And the perfect first sentence

As the Electoral College prepares to certify President Bush's re-election on Monday, concerns persist about the integrity of the nation's voting system _ ...

This is why Kerry had to stay out of the limelight. If he was out front, it would only be OUR cause. With the emphasis on the integrity of the nation's voting system, it because EVERYONE'S cause.

[Proud to be blue]

15. It took them long enough

Wonder how long it will take for more media attention to what has/is happening.

[smartvoter]

18. awesome == n/t

[ccarter84]

19. i'm surprised at the length

this is probably one of the most promising articles coming from msm i've seen in a while, and it isn't going to great lengths to discredit our ideas either...thats different

[smartvoter]

20. And the quote in there backs our position of watching who does and..

does not step up!

[emcguffie]

21. I NEED HELP

I have spent the last hour or so on the phone to Kerry's senate office, the DNC, the DNC voting rights inst. All to no avail.

Except that I have sent an e-mail to Donna Brazile.

They don't see any evidence of fraud. They don't. They buy hook, line and sinker all the "debunking" of everything that was posted on the internet.

I can't believe it. So I want to go see someone. Camp out in their office until I can see them, and provide a little bit of convincing instruction. (forgive me for my attitude, I'm upset.) Of course, if they haven't got the right kind of brain, maybe they just can't get it.

But I am appealing for others to go, especially statisticians and academics. I don't happen to be either, but I do get how probability works. (Maybe it was doing Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead eons ago.)

Donna Brazile has gone to Florida and Nevada. It could be that she isn't as blind as the people I spoke to, but I don't know, because I could not speak to her. The other person I should have spoken with, as someone important in the DNC's voting rights institute, is Vincent Fry. But he won't be back until Jan 4, or something like that.

Otherwise, the DNC has appointed a commission, which will "investigate" and come out with a report and recommendations next year. That's it. That's it. There were some irregularities, but no real evidence of fraud.

Anyone?

And I have a meeting Tuesday morning that I cannot get out of. Unfortunately. But before, or after, I'm ready.

[Name removed]

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[emcguffie]

28. me a troll?

I guess you are saying I am a troll? What the shit is that?

I am upset because I have spent the last hour talking to --

Kerry's senate office "We're just his senate office..., call the DNC..."

The DNC operator: "I don't know what task force they're talking about, but a lot of people have been calling"

Some lawyer at the DNC's voice mail.

Some guy at the DNC ... Whom I asked, as I had asked at the Kerry Senate office, why they are being so lethargic, and his reply was that they realy didn't think the election had been stolen. If you think I'm lying, why don't you call the DNC?

Operator then referred me to Donna Brazile, who is on the DNC VOting Rights Institute. Maybe the Chair. I forget what. But she is on the road.

So somebody at Brazile and Associates (Monica Marvin is her name) suggested I talk to Vincent Fry, who was the ??? I forget what, of the DNC's Voting Rights Institute. Gave me the number, once again at the DNC.

I call the DNC back, looking for Mr. Fry, but he won't be back until early January.

I write a note on DU, looking for people willing to go with me to see someone at the DNC, at the Kerry campaign, some of those "statisticians" they are employing who, I was told, have not found any evidence of fraud. Irregularities, yes. Fraud, no. This from the person who told me Bush just won, he got more votes. That is not me, you .... it was someone at the DNC!!!!

So, I just thought, put my feet to the pavement and go where I can sit down with someone, and talk to them face to face. A sit-in. Hey, why wouldn't they see me, with anyone else who was willing?

Why do you think that means I'm a troll?

Is that what you meant?

[berni_mccoy]

22. YEEEAAAARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!

(That's my interpretation of a Dean scream)...

Hey Mods/Admins... could we get a smiley that is a Dean scream? For example :dean scream: ... also, could we have it download the audio from his scream... I LOVE that scream! :lol:

[SeekingDemocracy]

35. Yeahhhhhaaaawwww!!!

[Zan_of_Texas]

23. Don't get too excited about anything AP writes.

Just beware -- AP is not exactly disinterested bystanders here. (See below)

Note the number of "studies" -- Bob Ney, who has stubbornly blocked the Rush Holt bill from having hearings, will study the situation. Well, let me get my whoopee cushion.

Soaries has been keeping one foot on about three sides of the fence, but I'm not expecting much from him.

Terry McAuliffe has said the DNC will have a study with experts, and hopes to have a report by "spring 2005." Of course, he said that there is no intent to challenge the election.

So, doubts persist, and we're going to have studies. That's what happened in 2000, guys and gals. The studies said that Gore actually won, but we got Bush for 4 years. And look what ELSE we got -- 100,000 dead Iraqis and 1200 dead American soldiers in a bogus war, trillions deeper in debt, among other things.


Okay, as to AP -- grab that tinfoil hat. You're gonna need it.

LYNN LANDES
http://www.ecotalk.org/VotingSecurity.htm
(as copied from that site on 8 8 04)

Those parties in a perfect position to commit election fraud include: voting machine company insiders, election officials, and any of the news media (such as the Associated Press-AP) that could receive a direct feed of vote data from voting machines or central computer 'vote tabulators' via 2-way wireless, modems, or other electronic means, and as a result, be in a position to manipulate vote data through the porous backdoors of voting machine software or firmware using programs such as GEMS <http://www.blackboxvoting.org/access-diebold.htm>. (See <http://www.essvote.com/HTML/products/tabulation.html> and <http://www.diebold.com/dieboldes/GEMS.htm>)

A few disturbing facts about the Associated Press (AP) which reports vote totals on Election Day:

The AP.org <http://www.AP.org> is a not-for-profit news cooperative that has earned over $500 million annually for the past five years. Spokespeople for the AP have so far refused to release to this journalist full information on who are on its Board of Directors, how they are elected with over 16,000 "bond votes", who controls these votes, or how the AP receives vote tallies on Election Day.

Burl Osborne is chairman of the AP board of directors and publisher emeritus of The Dallas Morning News (endorsed Bush).

Tom Curley is the AP's CEO and president and publisher of USA Today.
Kathleen Carroll, senior vice president and executive editor of AP, was a reporter at The Dallas Morning News before joining AP in Dallas in 1978 (Carroll is also on the APME's 7-member executive committee)

The Associated Press Managing Editors (APME.com <http://www.APME.com>) allegedly "works in partnership with AP to improve the wire service's performance".

APME's president Stuart Wilk is also managing editor of the Dallas Morning News.

APME's vice president Deanna Sands, is managing editor of the Omaha World Herald, a subsidiary of Omaha World Herald Company, owner of the nation's largest voting machine company, ES&S.

[SueZhope]

25. MSNBC

gave it a different name

Doubts dog U.S. presidential results
Problems in Ohio are focus for critics of election

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6694319/

[Aunt Anti-bush]

26. Yeah, a fundie at work now believes me.

I've been telling her all along and suddenly she sees this and had to take a 2nd look.

[buzzard]

38. Good Job.

[Aunt Anti-bush]

45. Thanks Buzzard.

I try. :)

[neversaynever]

27. Here's one from Newport news

(sorry if this is a repost)


The Lincoln County Democratic Central Committee on Wednesday voted unanimously to write Senators Ron Wyden (D-OR) and Gordon Smith (R-OR) and Congresswoman Darlene Hooley (D-5th Dist.) and urge "urge an immediate and thorough investigation into extensive voting irregularities occurring nationwide during the November 2, 2004, election," which, the Democrats stated, raised "grave doubts as to the validity of the election." They also decided to send a copy of the letter to the Democratic National Committee.


http://www.newportnewstimes.com/articles/2004/12/10/news/news27.txt

[sepia_steel]

29. Keeps getting

better and better!

[neversaynever]

30. these Senators and Reps need to be contacted and encouraged in their

efforts -- get their email addresses here and send them support....


http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

[BreakForNews]

32. Guess Which Picture they used...

in the Albany Times Union version of the "Doubts Persist" story?

http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=313144&category=&BCCode=&newsdate=12/10/2004&tacodalogin=no

This one:


Along with this caption:

Melissa Hedden holds a sign during a rally to draw attention to
irregularities and possible fraud in the way elections officials counted
the votes that gave President Bush a slim victory, at the Statehouse in
Columbus, Ohio, in this Saturday, Dec. 4, 2004, file photo. As the
Electoral College prepares to certify President Bush's re-election on
Monday, Dec. 13, 2004, concerns persist about the integrity of the
nation's voting system (Will Shilling / AP)

[Griffy]

54. Lokk here.. warms my heart,,, people will see real ppl on the street!

[Jack_Dawson]

33. Reporters Still Lazy

They need the article syndicated in order to print. Oh well I'll take it.

[Kurovski]

37. they all seem to say

Bush won and go ahead and look all you want.

the perception that Bush won is being reinforced. That's what I'm seeing in these repetitive articles.

[McCamy Taylor]

39. AP got some major cold feet over their Conyers hearing report...

...maybe a bunch of the dailies they feed complained that the AP report didn't match the readers feedback they were getting about the CSPAN televised hearings, or maybe some of the newspapers' own journalists actually watched the hearrings themselves and formed their own opinions (gasp!).

Does anyone have the initial AP article about the Conyers hearring? I so want to read it.

[MarkusQ]

40. Looks like about 60 outlets carrying it (n/t)

[Shalom]

43. They are Innoculating Public Against the Heavy Shit that's Coming..

Now that it is clear that substantive evidence of Bushfucking treachery will be coming out soon, the Bushitler regime recognize that they need to reduce the shock value on the public.

By innoculating them with a small amount of "truth serum", they are trying to prevent the toxic shock that will occur when the public realizes they have been had in one of the greatest scams every perpetrated in human history.

It won't work. Try as they may, the Repig fascists are about to go down the dirty toilet of history.

[Jack_Dawson]

47. Do you really believe that?

DON'T GET ME WRONG...I want this fuckwad to go down as much as the next guy, but at the same time, I don't wanna get my hopes up too much. I can't go through another Nov. 3-5th "can't get outta bed" depression again. I just can't.

But every time I see some other "President Bush appointed another cabinet secretary" story I wanna :puke:

Oy.

[Griffy]

55. no .. they wouldnt use details.. they would...

dicredit exitpolls.. like some are.. and make it crazy bloggers.. this article covers the tip of the real iceberg... my opinion its a factual correct shot acrossthe bow... the timing, Im hitting the streets tomorrow in DC.. will post pics if I make it back!

[Amaryllis]

49. Scathing editorial from Lonestar Iconoclast Blasting Blackwell

I believe this is Bush's hometown paper :)
http://www.iconoclast-texas.com/Columns/Editorial/editorial48.htm

Ohio-Ground Zero


The spirit of freedom is essential to the American character.
Some experience it with but a mere twinkle in the eye, while others wear it like a chip on their shoulders.
Yet there are those who choose to reject the spirit of democracy for myopic greedier pastures. They would discard the creation of Washington, Jefferson, and Franklin as immaterial and no longer relevant in a world being redefined by a neo-conservative mold in which Americans act according to government policy, speak according to government propaganda, and think as the government dictates.
During the month of December, Ohio has become ground zero, where rests the survival of democracy as we know it, for this will be the test of whether America will stand for an election riddled with irregularities.
The test will determine if the true spirit of honest elections will continue to exist in America or if honesty, like respect and cooperation, has become a dinosaur.
Although the battleground in Ohio might be described as one of abstraction, lacking the smoke-filled sea of asbestos and lead that was ever present at ground zero in New York, its pungency is just as caustic because this battle will determine whether democracy will gasp its last or reign as an icon of truth.
Although some Ohioans might applaud Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell's fascist sorcery to make impossible a manual recount in time for the Electoral College elite to cast their votes, citizens of the United States from coast to coast condemn it.
Take heed. This is not merely an election issue isolated to the state of Ohio.
Ohio is not an island.
That state's decisive posture on the Electoral College makes this a national referendum.
Those championing honest elections look upon slimy efforts to disintegrate the ghost of freedom as abhorrent. Many are joining forces through rallies, marches, and protests to educate America of the potential flight of truth. At the same time, they are extending their voices into Ohio as they descend upon ground zero to attempt to clean up the mess created by election irregularities that are too numerous to even remotely be considered accidental.
The Iconoclast applauds the initiatives of the freedom-fighters who with substantial courage are standing up for rights that would normally be taken for granted. We encourage others to pitch in and help, to be heard, to take back what has been stolen, for this theft carries the stain of treason.
The Rev. Jesse Jackson is one among thousands seeking the truth. "We want to know how deep this pattern goes," Jackson said. "We have been continuing to pursue the outcome of the election with disturbing findings. ... We want a full investigation of these irregularities," he said Sunday.
The time is now to draw a line in the sand - to give not one inch, one millimeter, one vote toward the cause of skewing this election. This recount, no matter the outcome, conducted properly, is a necessity for democracy to prevail. Without it, America can never trust another election.
- Written By W. Leon Smith and Don M. Fisher

[Patsy Stone]

57. Really

I MUST get a subscription to this paper. It's better than the NYT. :)

[newyawker99]

59. Hi Amaryllis!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Patsy Stone]

50. This is indeed "The Perfect Storm"

Damn, I think I actually nailed this one! Call me Miss Cleo.

I also think that today is the day that whoever was telling whoever not to speak, told them it was OK to speak. Just my .02

[Griffy]

51. it is great to see.... keep watch if they take the stories down nt

[Griffy]

52. kick

[proud patriot]

56. :-)

:-)

[proudbluestater]

58. It would appear the MAGIC HOUR to release info was midnight?

The AP story is showing up on numerous websites as of midnight the 11th. Has somebody been sitting on it for release until SATURDAY, perhaps the slowest newsday with the lowest readership numbers?

I checked two different papers, and their time line both says 12:01 as time of release.

Who's been sitting on it and why do they eke it out TONIGHT? In advance of the lawsuit or the electoral college?

[thanatonautos]

60. The title and lede are good, but it doesn't include the word fraud.

The subtitle is not as good.

Doubts Persist About Election Results

# President Bush Won The November Election By 3.5 Million Votes

Dec 11, 2004 4:41 am US/Central

WASHINGTON (AP) As the Electoral College prepares to certify President Bush's re-election on Monday, concerns persist about the integrity of the nation's voting system — particularly in Ohio, where details continue to emerge of technology failures, voter confusion and overcrowded polling stations in minority and poor neighborhoods.

I am happy to see widespread coverage, I'm worried that
this breaks on a weekend. I wish it had broken Monday.
It will be a warning to the pundit class to get ready
to bury it.

Still ... it shows that the story is really spreading,
now. That has to be a good thing. :)

[lonestarnot]

61. kick

:kick:

[IndyOp]

62. We have just begun to FIGHT

We have gotten past being ignored. We certainly are still being ridiculed. Fighting comes next...

This is interesting... because it suggests that they are interested in placating the public -- they haven't yet gotten completely past wanting public acceptance...

“We definitely did not have a glitch-free election,” said EAC Chairman DeForest Soaries Jr., a Bush appointee.

:(