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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 04:27 PM
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Today is a very good day. We have come so far!
Edited on Fri Dec-10-04 04:29 PM by Karenca
Nobody has to answer---I just need to write this, because today feels like a great day.
So much good news has surfaced today.

Arnebeck's Lawsuit
Conyers/Ohio--Monday
MSM picking up Votergate.

Look how MUCH PROGRESS WE HAVE MADE since Nov 2nd! I'm feeling real positive now; and Monday the shit is going to hit the fan :)) I LOVE YOU, DU.

BYE BYE b*shie
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SueZhope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 04:29 PM
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1. You said it!!!!
I must add this..........:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Those guys speak volumes
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 04:29 PM
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2. Hopefully, the BuSHIT will hit the fan on Monday... ;-)
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 06:00 PM
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17. Get outta the way!
Major dookie coming!
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 04:38 PM
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3. Good post, Karenca!
It's good to see simple and heartfelt positivity here! This forum is such a drag sometimes, I'm turning bipolar. And obsessive compulsive too, so I can't dare not read it every 15 minutes! So thanks for keeping me on the upswing!!!!

:bounce:
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 04:45 PM
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5. obsessive compulsive too, so I can't dare not read it every 15 minutes
OK--------

AT LEAST I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE!! :argh:
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SueZhope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 04:54 PM
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8. i am a member of the
obsessive compulsive DU club
some days i cant stop reading....
I am addicted its bizarre

:silly: :crazy: :wow: :hi:
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Old Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 04:42 PM
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4. you guys have already done the impossible
over and over again. Keep it up!
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 04:48 PM
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6. I was out of touch all day yesterday...
...in an all-day meeting, and I didn't get my daily dose. Did Arnebeck file his lawsuit yesterday? What else did I miss?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 04:50 PM
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7. A Hint today
On yahoo....Doubts Persist About Election Results

27 minutes ago Politics - AP


By RACHEL KONRAD, Associated Press Writer

As the Electoral College (news - web sites) prepares to certify President Bush (news - web sites)'s re-election on Monday, concerns persist about the integrity of the nation's voting system — particularly in Ohio, where details continue to emerge of technology failures, voter confusion and overcrowded polling stations in minority and poor neighborhoods.


AP Photo


Reuters
Slideshow: Elections





Latest Headlines:
· Doubts Persist About Election Results
AP - 27 minutes ago

· Dems to Study Possible Primary Changes
AP - 1 hour, 32 minutes ago

· Kerry to Visit Iraq During Mideast Trip
AP - Fri Dec 10, 8:26 AM ET


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

All Election Coverage





Few mainstream politicians dispute Bush's victory, and the incumbent's 3.5 million-vote margin nationwide was wider than any of the reported problems, which included insufficient or incomplete provisional ballots and, in some places, brazen partisan shenanigans.


But that is not stopping a disparate assortment of personalities — prominent among them Democratic congressman John Conyers Jr. of Michigan, the Rev. Jesse Jackson (news - web sites) and presidential candidates of the Green and Libertarian parties — from questioning the accuracy of certified results and demanding investigations.


Of greatest concern is the extent of disenfranchisement in the critical swing state of Ohio, whose 20 electoral votes guaranteed Bush's victory.


"It's critical that we investigate and understand any and every voting irregularity anywhere in our country, not because it would change the outcome of the election but because Americans have to believe that their votes are counted in our democracy," John Kerry (news - web sites) said this week, after calling for a statewide recount in Ohio.


The nation's voting system, despite improvements since the 2000 Florida fiasco, remains a locally administered patchwork whose lack of national uniformity distinguishes the United States from many other democracies.


Although most complaints have come from Democrats and the third-party candidates, Republicans and bipartisan groups acknowledge problems. The Government Accountability Office is investigating election problems. Rep. Bob Ney (news, bio, voting record), R-Ohio and chairman of the House Administration Committee, will oversee an inquiry next year.


The U.S. Election Assistance Commission, created in 2002, is also scrutinizing the outcome. It plans to publish in January the government's first report on the voting, which will serve as the basis for congressional recommendations and reforms.


"We definitely did not have a glitch-free election," said EAC chairman DeForest Soaries Jr., a Bush appointee.


Rev. Jackson and other activists want wholesale changes in the U.S. voting process, ideally before the 2006 midterm elections. Jackson says the most distressing problem appears to be the lack of nationwide standards. No federal agency enforces regulations when states or counties fail to comply with internal procedures.


Without national standards, he said, some poor counties have inferior equipment and insufficient numbers of voting machines to support dense populations.


"What we really need is a federal standard for elections, and we need a constitutional, individual, federally protected right to vote," said Jackson, president of the Chicago-based Rainbow/PUSH Coalition.


Grassroots activists say politicians who refuse to discuss voting concerns will lose respect — and votes.


"If the Democratic leadership doesn't step up, why do they think that the activists on the ground — the people who collected millions of dollars, made phone calls and registered people to vote — would do it again in 2008?" said Don Goldmacher of the Wellstone Democratic Renewal Club of Oakland, Calif.


Ohio's Republican Secretary of State, Kenneth Blackwell, has conceded that a recount would likely alter the vote tally somewhat. But he adamantly dismisses allegations of fraud.


"This was an election where you have some glitches but none of these glitches were of a conspiratorial nature and none of them would overturn or change the election results," Blackwell said on Monday when he certified the results.


In the last five weeks, activists have documented thousands of voting problems across the nation. The citizens' lobby group Common Cause received 210,000 phone calls to a hot line that logged complaints.





Electronic errors were so grave in Carteret County, N.C., that election administrators will hold a special election in early January to determine the next agriculture commissioner. Paperless touch-screen voting machines there failed to retain 4,438 votes during early voting before Nov. 2. The Democratic incumbent lost by just 2,287 votes out of about 3 million cast statewide.

In six states, including Florida and Texas, about three dozen voters complained that they selected Kerry on touch-screen machines but were shown as having voted for Bush until they revised their electronic ballot. Equipment manufacturers blamed the problem on miscalibration.

In New Orleans, poorly trained poll workers told thousands of voters to come back later in the day because they couldn't turn on new electronic voting equipment when polls opened.

And in a Franklin County, Ohio, a precinct where 638 voters cast ballots, a computer recorded 3,893 extra votes for President Bush. The error was corrected in the certified vote total, and local election workers have been unable to reproduce the error.

Conyers, the top Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee (news - web sites), began examining Ohio's problems in a hearing this past week attended by eight Democratic lawmakers.

Among his concerns was that voters in urban, minority and Democratic precincts waited in lines up to eight hours — even though in Youngstown, election administrators had extra voting terminals stored in a warehouse. Conyers also charged that a "campaign of deception" directed some Democrats to wrong polling places, where they were forced to cast provisional ballots.

Last week, Conyers sent a letter to Blackwell asking him to cooperate in a Democratic investigation of "substantial irregularities" in Ohio, which certified a 119,000-vote margin for Bush. That is some 17,000 votes fewer than Blackwell's original estimate of 136,000.

The margin shrank primarily because of the Franklin county glitch, and the addition of overseas and provisional ballots. Provisional ballots — meant to address concerns of voter disenfranchisement — were cast by voters who showed up at the wrong precinct or without proper identification on Nov. 2.

Out of Ohio's 156,977 provisional ballots, about four in five, or 121,598 ballots, were ruled valid.


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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 07:44 PM
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27. lonestarnot please read
in the future please limit snips of articles
to 4 paragraphs as per the Democratic Underground
copyright rules .

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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 05:01 PM
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9. can someone put a link up to anything on the arneback lawsuit
or explain what it entails.Thanks

This is great news
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 05:22 PM
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10. Here Keepthem, I saw this another DU thread----
Date: 12/10/2004 1:01:12 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: peoplesall@aol.com
To: xxxxxxxx

xxxx,
The case will be filed at 9 am, Monday December 13th. Conyers is sending a letter requesting injunctive relief of the Ohio electors - ie that they either step aside or vote provisionally pending the outcome of the case. The case will be filed amid much media attention and should be a front page story in major newspapers across the country on Monday. It is now representing 40 Ohio citizens.
Mary White
National Office Coordinator
Alliance for Democracy

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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 07:01 PM
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21. thanks karenca for posting
It definately sounds like good news>I can not wait to find out more of the details of the arnebeck lawsuit.I am sure it is going to be good.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 07:07 PM
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23. SWIM DOWN!!!! SWIM DOWN!!!! n/t
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 05:58 PM
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16. self-deleted..
Edited on Fri Dec-10-04 06:05 PM by Karenca
MADE A BOO-BOO.
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Catamount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 05:27 PM
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11. Monday could be like election day all over again
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 07:11 PM
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24. I hope
and pray O8)justice will prevail sooner rather than later.
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Kellis Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 05:33 PM
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12. I agree !
Today *has* been a good day!I felt like there was a lot of news today that could open peoples eyes and make the Media stand up and do their job.
:toast: to all of us at DU!

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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 05:35 PM
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13. Peace, Love and Happiness
Sista Girl! You are totally right! :)

Power to the People.
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 05:57 PM
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15. Love to you too Patsy!!! nt
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 05:38 PM
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14. Yes, great day for democracy
let's hope it's the first step toward preserving it
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intelle Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 06:10 PM
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18. I totally agree that today has been a great day!
Couldn't do much DU reading as I was in the office today. What a day to have to wait to read the news!

Yippee!!

:bounce:
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 06:57 PM
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19. Internet + Passion = Kerry Wins
I voted for Clinton/Gore in 1996 but was still upset when Al took credit for inventing the Internet. While he played a KEY role in its propagation as a consumer medium, I was unhappy about that claim. 8 years later, though, isn't it ironic that the Information Age is making it possible for us to contest the stolen election? Without this technology, I doubt that many people would know about everything happening behind the scenes.
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 06:59 PM
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20. Me too, I'm feeling upbeat about the progress. Thanks
for the boost.
:hi:
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pick_a_dilly Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 07:07 PM
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22. EVERYBODY VISUALIZE CHANGE ...
KEEP UP THE POSITIVE ENERGY and get ready for the gop spin we are gonna SMASH IN THE COMING WEEKS, months, years . . .

prey to all the gods . . . they listen!!!!!!
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 07:14 PM
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25. You guys are doing such a great job over here.
Thank-you, thank-you, thank-you.

I don't contribute a great deal to the effort as statistics make my head spin and I'm not very puter savvy (I have donated $ and sent some letters) but I SO appreciate all of your hard work.

And a special thanks to all the newbies! :toast:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 07:35 PM
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26. Also, I just wanted
to quote again from Sun Tzu, The Art of War

"Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him."
"If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant."
"Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected."

and, finally, and most importantly...

"The onrush of a conquering force is like the bursting of pent-up waters into a chasm a thousand fathoms deep."

Peace.
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CantGetFooledAgain Donating Member (635 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 08:08 PM
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28. I am feeling the same way...
Sitting here at home after a long week of work. Reading DU and thinking that maybe, just maybe...

...something is happening. Something big is coming. Monday is the day the floodgates open. The day the electors certify this bogus election is the same day that MAJOR ELECTION FRAUD AND DISENFRANCHISEMENT breaks through into the nation's consciousness.

And maybe, just maybe, some folks that we've been waiting to hear from since election day just happen to speak up as well.

I don't know, just a feeling I have....
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