I think Arnebeck's strategy is brilliant

[Ugnmoose]

He waits until the day that the Ohio Electors are certified then he lays a bombshell of a lawsuit laying out a case for massive electoral fraud. This way he gets maximum media attention and ties it all together. I suspect from the little information we have gotten from his interviews with folks like Randi Rhodes, that he has built an iron clad case to bring to the American people - the ultimate court of public opinion. If this is true, no politician, judge, or journalist would dare attempt to overturn it, or try to spin it away. I agree with Arnebeck, Americans will not stand still for a willful criminal attempt to suppress and manipulate our votes. The outrage will be quick and massive.

I can't wait for the details scheduled to be released 9:00 a.m. Monday. This one ought to make for some fine reading. DU'ers the fight has just begun!!!!!!

[Twist_U_Up]

1. the medias will silence it

and the courts will throw it out.

scary

[BlueCollar]

4. the media may not comment on it

but the internet and DU aren't going away...

[berniew1]

28. Arnebeck has some documented fraud; but most of evidence is indications

Arnebeck has some documented fraud; but most of evidence is likely based on very unusual vote patterns with indications of irregularities or fraud rather than full proof. Its likely that a rigorous recount will be needed to confirm the widespread indications of fraud that he likely will present. The public will have to be who insists on a rigorous recount and audit of official results.

[fshrink]

2. The politicians who have the guts and insight to do that now will

be the leaders of the democratic party for the future. People have been talking about "reforming" the leadership. The leadership finds itself in battle, doubt, courage and success. It's elected only after.

[enough]

20. GREAT point, fshrink!

The leaders will reveal themselves by their actions from here on out, not by how much clout or currency they have gathered in the past.

And this is one of the major issues by which they will be known, if not THE major issue.

[Goldeneye]

3. I seriously hope he has proof.

I've been thinking about this. He is smart, and he a lawyer so he knows the law. He wouldn't wait until the last second unless he was sure that he had something. And from the Randi Rhodes interview he sounds fairly confident, even to the point where he didn't want to talk about it on the air, because the enemy was listening and could try to erase signs of fraud.

The wait is killing me though.

[skids]

9. Concerned as well.

But from up here on the Internet, I realize all we have is a birds-eye view.

I think what's filed today he is expecting to get thrown back, then take to the full court. What's in there does not have to be as strong as what is in there after he completes discovery.

Plus we don't quite know everything that is in there.

Sometimes you just have no choice but to trust and hope.

[jdog]

18. I like that

"up here" on the internet!

[corbett]

26. Former Prosecutor Has His Back

Despite what we've heard, Kerry VERY MUCH is involved in this effort. This approach of striking while the iron is hot AFTER the fraud has occurred is just what a prosecutor would do:

http://www.moderateindependent.com/v2i21election.htm

Arnebeck knows what he is doing and has the truth on his side. Between the affidavits from election officials and voters plus the analysis of multiple experts, the hearing will be a real eye-opener for many!

ONLY WISH I COULD BE THERE!

[stirringstill]

31. Hope

Agreed. I hope he has been holding back some critical information. I am encouraged to hear from BradBlogToo that they have asked Curtis to head to Ohio. I hope they have some sign of actual electronic manipulation. Kerry sending a letter which asks among other things for the ability to validate machines suggests the possibility that there is indeed evidence in the wings.

[operafred]

5. kick

we must and will WIN

[BlueCentrist]

6. The wait is killing me too

Arnebeck knows what he is doing.I think something big is coming from him tommorow.

[Hamoth]

7. After 2000, our mantra: NEVER AGAIN! NEVER FORGET! -NT

[Ugnmoose]

10. Right on...fool us once

shame on you. Fool us twice - no frikkin way!

[4democracy]

8. You can help support the Arnebeck Lawsuit, see my thread

about tax ded. contributions support Arnebeck suit. It has sort of gotten buried on page 5. There is a link on there to donate to Arnebreck and The Alliance for Democracy.

[jamboi]

34. Link? n/t

[jamboi]

11. Arnebeck rocks! n/t

[intelle]

12. I agree with you

I think his strategy guarantees that there will be media coverage.

:toast:

[politicasista]

13. I hope so

because the media isn't our friend. All they do is slobber over Smirky and people believe everything they tell them.

[k8conant]

29. Maybe people don't believe it at all, but...

they think they're the only ones who don't believe.

[johan helge]

14. I hope you're right, but

to the LA Times, Arnebeck said (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-vote12dec12.story): "I can't for the life of me understand why Kerry isn't fighting harder for this. Maybe it's some secret Skull and Bones tradition, where you're not supposed to show up the other guy".

A stupid insult like this isn't a good sign.

[Quakerfriend]

15. I feel that this is a bit of a rouse

Arnebeck and Kerry have been friends for over 20 years, from what I hear. Don't forget, When asked what he wanted for his B-Day, Kerry replied: "55,000 votes in OH". I think they are in this together. And, I'm getting soooooooooo excited for tomorrow to come!!

[TexasChick]

17. Precisely. I think this may be a way to give off conflicting statements

to throw off the Repuketards. And, I also remember Kerry saying that about the 55,000 votes too.

[Fiendish Thingy]

27. When did Kerry say this? n/t

[KeireG]

16. All the info will be laid out...

in the hearing. Hopefully the text of the official litigation will go online immediately aftr. Then we'll get to hear more elaboration in the hearing. Even if the hearing is not televised, we'll still get the transcript and what not. Although having the hearing televised would be nice, it's really not that vital.

Edit: Ah yes! I remember hearing that the suit is for 65,000 votes switched! That coincides with Kerry's statment(well, somewhat).

[Jackpine Radical]

19. Re: whatr Americans will stand for--What about Bush v. Gore?

"Americans will not stand still for a willful criminal attempt to suppress and manipulate our votes."

[Ugnmoose]

22. We activists have learned alot in four years

I still there are too many Americans that are either blissfully ignorant or totally apathetic when it comes to voting issues. But many many more are like us. They know what is going on and they will not stand for it. This time WE WILL NOT GET OVER IT!

Rock on DU'ers

[stepnw1f]

21. Now THAT Sounds Better!!!!

Weed wack these boards with nurturing movitation.

[Quakerfriend]

23. stepnwlf you are too funny!

[madison2000]

25. How about a little love song

When the road gets dark
And you can no longer see
Just let my love throw a spark, baby
Have a little faith in me

When the tears you cry
Are all you can believe
Just give these loving arms a try, baby
Have a little faith in me

Have a little faith in me
Have a little faith in me
Have a little faith in me
Have a little faith in me

When your secret heart
Cannot speak so *easily*
Come here darlin'
From a whisper start
To have a little faith in me

When your back's against the wall
Just turn around, you will see
I will catch ya, I will catch your fall
Just have a little faith in me

Have a little faith in me
Have a little faith in me
Have a little faith in me
Have a little faith in me

Well, I've been loving you for such a long, long time baby
Expecting nothing in return
Just for you to have a little faith in me
You see time, time is our friend *for you and me*
Cause for us there is no end
All you gotta do is have a little faith in me
I said I will hold you up, I will hold you up
Your strength gives me enough
So have a little faith in me
Hey baby, oh, baby
All ya gotta do is have a little faith in me
All ya gotta do is have a little faith in me
A little faith in me

[zimba]

24. Maybe, just maybe

Kerry and the DNC know what they are doing, IF they are working behind the scenes doing all they can. By having the Greens, Libertarians and unaffiliated groups leading the charge, it unifies the left. However, if Kerry and the DNC do not come out strong after tomorrows filing in favor of recount efforts and publicly endorse the current efforts of Cobb, Arnebeck, Conyers etc etc its going to look like they aren't helping behind the scenes, and dont give a shit. The time to lay down the cards is now.

[newyawker99]

32. Hi zimba!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[zimba]

33. Thanks newyawker99

Ive been rattling cages on other forums since day after the election and been getting royal dumped on in many of them. Its nice to be among friends.

[ClintCooper2003]

30. His strategy is brilliant, yes. But I'm curious as to the proof...

statisticians probably won't get the job done.

[dzika]

35. Arnebeck used this Affidavit

from a recount staffer in Greene County as evidence.

Here is a link to the thread with the full affidavit:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x151161

[McCamy Taylor]

36. MSM may pretend Scott Petersen is more important

[madison2000]

38. Its sensational and thats why they stick with it

I couldn't care less what happens to him.

[tsuki]

41. You know, I work in a Republican office, and no one ever watches or

talks about Peterson case. I have never heard anyone talk about it, other than the first few days.

The same goes for the Michael Jackson case. The Bryant Colby case.

I am beginning to wonder if MSM reports these cases, not for the public, but to satisfy their own base needs.

[texpatriot2004]

37. Ugnmoose...where have you been? I have been looking for you

I love your posts. Nice to see you here.

[Ugnmoose]

42. Thanks for the kind words

I've been around and posted here and there. I've mostly been waiting as we all are to see where this whole fraud/recound thing is going. One part of me still wants to believe there is hope for legal justice, but another part of me cynically believes that somehow the dirty bastards will escape another time.

[tandem5]

39. I know it's hard, but for our own sakes... our own stress levels...

we should try to stay as neutral as possible and not build our hopes too high. This is an ongoing process - we shouldn't be defining arbitrary deadlines for when "breakthroughs" will occur. It only leads to unnecessary disappointment.

[jamboi]

40. Yup, absolutely. n/t