Now I am TOTALLY Bummed. Jon Stewert and Tom Wolfe think ** WON!!!

[leftchick]

I just perused my new issue of RollingStone magazine and there is a lenghthy article about the campaign wrap-up. Jon Stewert, Tom Wolfe and Al Franken are all quoted with their summeries of what the Democrats did wrong!!! Like idiotface* actually won a clean electoral victory! Even Davis Rees of the "Get Your War On" cartoon says... "Sure enough, Americans voted overwhelmingly to defeat John Kerry". ROLLINGSTONE!!! AAAArrrggghhhh!

Edit to add link Thanks to SueZhope!: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/6635609?pageid=rs.Politics&pageregion=single1&rnd=1102892505592&has-player=true&version=6.0.8.1024

[senseandsensibility]

1. I wonder when these comments

were actually made. There's a big delay in publication.

[SueZhope]

14. very true

I saw that online about 3 weeks ago,
This is it I think?
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/6635609?pageid=rs.Politics&pageregion=single1

[Lucky Luciano]

2. No, they did not discredit fraud investigations,

but I think it is clear that the election was very close with or without fraud....However, it should not have been close....it should have been at least 60-40 in favor of Kerry....I mean with that bonehead in chief, it should have been too easy to win, and yet it was not...

[ginnyinWI]

6. I disagree

Because of the war, and the incumbency, this was a hard election to win. True, Bush, Rumsfeld, and all have been incompetent, but they are the "devil you know" and insecure people will stay with them rather than vote for the new guy, especially after the media beating John Kerry was given. I mean, they could have made anyone look bad. Anyone. So they made a good and decent candidate look like a fool to Mr. and Mrs. Average American, who tend to believe what they see on TV.

[LittleClarkie]

8. And the Repubs here tend to think Bush is doing a good job

not everyone is as informed as they should be. That I was told by a Starbucks barista that her friend cried three times during the RNC because she was so touched by the 9/11 talk, that I was yelled at to get right with God when I was phonebanking, tells me people are more than alittle brainwashed.

It's time for a mass deprogramming. We have a cult of personality situation, I think. A "gee, we didn't know they were burning Jews just down the road," situation. Something as big as 9/11 may be needed to wake people out of their stupor.

[ginnyinWI]

13. So true.

And it is very hard to get any contrary news through to the people. If Bush were found to be involved in anything equivalent to the Lewinsky scandal, do you think it would be picked up by the media? I suspect it would be dumped late on a Friday night, and he'd have any number of people out by Sunday morning offering cover for him, and trying to smear whoever brought forth the information. They have such a lock on the media, except for the Internet and a few print publications (The Nation).

[berniew1]

18. Since someone quashed the Daily Show forum, not sure Jon has real info any

Since someone quashed the Daily Show forum, not sure Jon has real info anymore. He might have to relie on the major media, which is his main source of ideas for his program.

[ginnyinWI]

3. I hope one day to see a lot of apologies

saying on their front pages, "We were Wrong"!

[imenja]

4. So if we you think we did everything right

How can we promote change to bring about electoral success in the future?

[mary195149]

5. I don't believe

anyone actually believes that. They all say that though, probably to take the focus off of what is really going on. This should be the week we start seeing everything unfold to the real story.

[cali]

7. My gut tells me buscho won

Yes there was fraud, but I believe bush won. Should it be proved that he won fraudulently, I'll be more than happy to say I was wrong. In any case, it was close. I'm with Mencken re the stupidity of Americans. I could give a shit if anyone thinks that's elitest.

[jdog]

9. any link? n/t

[leftchick]

10. no link for current issues...

sorry.

[SueZhope]

15. This is the article correct?

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/6635609?pageid=rs.Politics&pageregion=single1

[leftchick]

17. Yes Indeed! Thank you SO MUCH!

I thought they delayed their online articles until after the issue was off the news stand! Here is the part that stuck in my craw....

~snip~
What actually happened was that some of the people who voted for Gore in 2000 this time voted for the other guy. This time Bush got fifty-one percent of the vote -- and it wasn't all crazy people. Nevertheless, you had the press two days before the election saying that college kids were coming out in record numbers and cell-phone users were going to make polling obsolete. So the one truism that emerges from all of this is that there continues to be zero accountability in the press. There is not a profession in the world where you can be that wrong, that consistently, and still continue to practice your job with greater job security than before.

[KatieB]

11. Perhaps we'll have to wait for these folks to get some guts when

the day comes that we all have to move to China for jobs.

[Peace Patriot]

12. Rolling Stone has always been a suckup rag...

...ever since they sided with John Lennon against Paul McCartney. Idiots!

Take it with a grain of salt. A LOT OF PEOPLE don't know what happened, and are only just finding out (just like the facts about Iraq WMDs).

DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Email Jon Stewart a quick summary of the election fraud evidence so far (it's overwhelming, really!). He's a smart guy--he'll love the stuff about WHO OWNS the SECRET source code for all the electronic vote tabulators in the country, and the Berkely, Freeman, TruthIsAll, ignatizmouse and others' analyses of what they did with it.

Franken--I don't know. He often seems like a shill for the Democratic leadership (who so *ed up on letting rightwing Republicans get control of our voting system). I find him about as inspiring as Terry McAuliffe.

[pretzel4gore]

16. i think they all agree that 19 'waiters hijacked 4 jets simultaneously too

jann wenner at the RS went over to the busheviks long time ago....i remember Hunter thompson calling him a goof...

[HEAVYHEART]

19. People...

I can't believe this shit. Those of you on this thread talking about why Bush won and that it was a close election are drinking the fucking cool aid! Wake the fuck up people! The election was stolen!:thumbsdown: :grr:

[jdog]

20. Excuse me??

Sorry Jon Stewart, you’re wrong. J

Al Franken - I’m sure will be glad to apologize for being wrong when we prove it’s President KERRY not Bush.

Tom Wolfe - When did he write this? I’m sure many facts have come out since he wrote this.

[JPJones]

21. Ironic, since without Franken, Kerry would have dropped out in

December, 2003 and Clark or Edwards would have been the nominee.

"The decision was between a guy who was resolute but wrong and a guy who was not as resolute-seeming but kind of right."

[indigonation]

22. Don't be bummed...

It's always good to have a variety of opinions, and these guys in the mainstream public eye have to sound sane and reasonable to keep their public audiences. There is no crime in that because they usually articulate our values. We are still missing rock-solid evidence of fraud, (not voter suppression) but once the pieces begin to fit together, perhaps they'll jump on board and be some of the strongest voices to reach out to the general public. I'm anxious to hear what Cliff Arnebach is releasing tomorrow.

[bones_7672]

23. So does 99% of the American public. n/t

[mirandapriestly]

25. actually at least 20%

do not think it was won "fair and square" if you believe polls.

[Pepper32]

24. This was written when???

A few weeks ago. Well this story is progressing every few hours! So, I doubt any of them can NOW say * won, with a straight face.

Bush has NO mandate. Just ask Kathrine Blackwell. Oh wait, he is too busy covering up their fraud.

Edited: typo