Anyone other than me see the significance of the letter

[JohnKleeb]

and the date today. Surely its a concidence perhaps but 4 years today was that day, the day of infamy in our time.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

1. Interesting.

Also, you might want to correct the typo in the heading.

[JohnKleeb]

3. Hey thanks

Yeah I just realized it.

[EMunster]

htan no

[BattyDem]

2. Damn!

I didn't even realize that. This one's for you, Al! :toast:

[JohnKleeb]

6. Neither did I at first but really

its good to know that Kerry is doing something. I feel really good knowing that I defended him.

[seito]

32. In honor of President Gore

:toast:

[jamboi]

4. Hmmm.... n/t

[Stephanie]

5. Wasn't it Dec 6?

Which day of infamy were you referring to?

[JohnKleeb]

8. heh I wasnt alive during pearl harbor

and that was december 7, I said day of infamy in my lifetime and that to me will always be the day that Bush "Won" in 2000.

[Stephanie]

12. okay you're right just checked and it is dec 7

i see - good point, dec. 12

[JohnKleeb]

16. yep

[glitch]

17. USSC decision to stop the vote count in FL - in other words the day

the RW extremists openly attacked Democracy in the USA. Mortal blow? Don't know yet.
It is a day of mourning for me, every year.
Maybe this will be the last year I have to mourn.

[RaulVB]

7. Damn right!

I need a beer...:toast:

[JohnKleeb]

10. mmmmmm beer

[meganmonkey]

9. Good call!

There seems to be a lot of serendipity in the timing of things lately. Means we're not all crazy after all?

[Geek_Girl]

11. Sorry for seeming clueless

But what day do you mean?

[Stephanie]

14. It's the day the Supreme Court stopped the count

in 2000

[bain_sidhe]

35. No, it's the day the SCummies decided Bush v. Gore...

They stopped the count on Dec. 9 (the Saturday before), on the grounds that counting the votes before they *officially* decided to give Florida to bu**sh** would make their boy look bad.

Of course, they dressed it up in prettier language.

[JohnKleeb]

15. The day Gore was basically forced to concede, no to need to be sorry

[Patsy Stone]

13. Nice call...

I love synchronicity. That's cool.

[Kellis]

18. we won't be fooled again.

:thumbsup:

[ogradda]

19. damn i forgot.

has it only been 4 years? shit :( time crawls when you're being screwed i guess.

[Stand and Fight]

29. LOL

You've got that right!!!

But maybe things will turn around and we'll be doing the screwing -- only this time for valid reasons.

[ogradda]

33. I sincerely hope so

At least if we screw them they and their families will be alive when we're done.

[rainbow4321]

20. Even better... 1 year anniversary

One year ago Monday, Saddam taken down....this Monday it just may be the start of chimp's downfall. Amazing what can happen in 365 days...

So will this be the entire shrub's regime? Who will be the first to fold and start spilling the beans on him? Kinda like that one company that is going to help out with the Delay prosecution in order to get charges dropped.

I'm telling ya, that Crawford ranch is just itching to be turned into a federal prison.

[JohnKleeb]

24. Interesting but yeah

God I hope this goes well. I am proud of Kerry for this, I really am.

[dweller]

21. it's been 4 damn long rough years

and that's fucking long enough.

good eye Kleeb.

your move Sen. Kerry.

dp

[JohnKleeb]

22. Thanks

I think he is making a move, this is becoming big news. I know, 4 years, pains me so much to think about all that has happened, but I have to concede, there's been a moment of joy these past four years, though I wish to god that my youngest brother had been born in different times, he was only 7 months when 9/11 happened, what a time to grow up.

[17yroldtwins]

26. I keep kicking myself for not being more 'tuned in' in 2000!!!

Just think of what a different world we'd have if Bush hadn't been handed the Presidency 4 years ago.
Gore's handing of foreign policy might have deflated the 9/11 terrorist threat. Clinton's administration managed to avoid major terrorist attacks, Gore's administration would have been an extension of the process. The whole thing might have been avoided.

We wouldn't be the pariah of the world now. We wouldn't be in Iraq or watching our brave, young people come home in flag-draped coffins.

Dear God, I am so mad, thinking about these things.

The Internet has been our salvation. Did DU even exist in 2000?

We must fight, scream, protest...do whatever we must to make this nightmare stop.

Attie

[seito]

34. I know what you mean

I took that mental trip a couple of days agao.

What might have been...

sigh

[Peace Patriot]

36. I agree...

...this a rough time to be growing up in America. But think about it this way: You and I have been given the opportunity to save American democracy, and to pass this great tradition of freedom along to him. That doesn't happen to many generations.

Things are indeed pretty bad, but that's when we stand and fight, not with guns this time, but with our unity as a people, our belief in fairness and in good government, and our reconnection with the Founders of our nation, who created an excellent Constitution to keep the powers of the President in control and in balance, and to prevent the President from becoming a king. (That was the main point of the Constitution!).

Our president has too much power, and has gotten to be too much like a king. That is the main problem. So the first thing we need to do to save our democracy is to prove that we voted this one out of office, and to make sure that everyone--especially those who voted for John Kerry--know what happened on Election Day.

Then we need to change the way we vote, so that the president cannot illegally control the voting by having his friends change votes electronically. Maybe we need to go back to the old-fashioned paper ballot, where we can WATCH people counting our votes!

When I was growing up, a President we all loved and had high hopes for, John F. Kennedy, was assassinated, and his real killers were never discovered. Five years later, we were in a terrible war in Vietnam in which 55,000 Americans and 1 to 2 million Vietnamese were slaughtered--for no good reason. Then, Martin Luther King, the beloved leader of the civil rights movement, was assassinated. He had spoke out against the war. Then, a few months later, John Kennedy's brother, Robert (who was running for president and had promised to stop the war) was assassinated.

These events were quite terrible. It's as if our country was coming to pieces. But one good thing that happened is that the people rose up and opposed the war, and there were many protest demonstrations against it, including protests by the soldiers coming back from Vietnam. John Kerry was one of those courageous soldiers who protested the war.

Because of those many protests, America avoided war for the next twenty years, and the people who always want war (those who profit from it) have had to be careful since then not to have many American casualties in the wars they manage to start, because they know the American people will not put up with it.

Now we are in a terrible war in Iraq--one that was completely unnecessary and unjustified, like the Vietnam War. American casualties are not yet as bad as they were in Vietnam, but the casualties among innocent Iraqis have been very high. Over 100,000 people have been killed, mostly by American bombs.

It is very saddening that many Americans don't know about this slaughter, and don't give as much importance to Iraqi lives as they do to American lives.

But I firmly believe that most Americans do not want this war and that they voted Bush out of office largely because of it.

Even with all the assassinatons, and the Vietnam War, that I experienced as a young person, I think your generation and your brother's have a much harder set of problems to solve, amidst a very serious crisis of American democracy. These problems include an environmental crisis, a coming financial crisis, and a crisis of hostility towards the United States in the rest of the world--all caused (or made much worse) by Bush Inc.

I hope us older folks can at least help you get back the right to vote. This is a turning point in history. And when we succeed in restoring democracy here--and I believe we will--it will be as great an achievement as the original American Revolution.

[Stephanie]

23. The thing is, I almost give Kerry enough credit to think this way

He is smart enough to think this way if he thought it was worth the trouble. Would he do it? I don't know.

[JohnKleeb]

25. The guy is very smart

and I admire him a lot.

[Stephanie]

30. I want him to be a chess player

and I do like him. And yet . . .

[The Traveler]

27. Hi John

Never forget.

My hope for you is you grow gracefully old in a free America. But never forget the theft of Democracy, nor yield to the thieves.

[JohnKleeb]

28. thanks

[John Q. Citizen]

31. We are better off this time around than four years ago, that's for sure

This time there has been a massive activist education into everything from voter suppression techniques to politicized election policy making, to potential machine problems, and tabulating proceedure, etc.

Today Kerry is calling for election transparency and the chance to visually inspect ballots, and it is being reported on ABC. This is a much better situation all around, given the repeat cynical and brutal power grab by the Repo machine.

I hope Kerry has a series of increasing demands and involvement as the process unfolds.

Have you ever heard the story of Big Double the Bear and the Trickster Squirrel? It really might apply to this particular situation.

[alittlelark]

37. Didn't catch it, but now mulling through brain....

I like the taste!