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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 11:41 PM
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Senate Fraud....
...and House fraud to follow the moment the first BBV device is caught in the act....Gee Monty, do you think they REALLY got both houses...TEEHEE...
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 12:01 AM
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1. Selfish self kick...
...but think about it...if fraud stole Kerry's spot (and it did) how many senate and house races become suspect?Remember that the chimp was pushing for a mandate AND both houses...Gee I wonder how many congressional seats might be held open awaiting fraud audits??
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:30 AM
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12. kicking for catnhatnh
I do believe you're right, & I still have suspicions @ CA recall for Gov. Grey Davis - Awhnuld, just can't stand him!
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 03:41 AM
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13. It's why we're recounting Alaska's senate race n/t
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 09:18 PM
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19. Important...See post 6 by L.Coyote for Great graphic...
on Tom Daschle loss...
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Diane L Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 12:26 AM
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2. Yes - I believe it makes sense that there would be
Senate, and other fraud. How about Governors? I am still suspicious of Matt Blunt (R) winning Governor in Missouri.
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stirringstill Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:20 AM
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11. Lacy
Have no doubt they have been systematically manipulating votes for years, at least since 2000. The establishment has made us, even some of themselves, into sheep. All Republicans are patriots and this is the greatest Democracy the world has ever known, it could never happen here--blah blah blah. In school and in all but the fringe media, they've trained us to never doubt that the system works. They focus us on Lacy Peterson instead of voter issues or poverty or workers wages. Why? Stability is one of many reasons. No one is going to hit the streets to protest of the Peterson Trial. They've built with myth and illusion much of the world we think we know. Our government has been rigging elections all over the world for many years. Everything from exit polls to voting machines. Almost all of our voting machines are made by Republican owned companies, and almost all are linked to the military industrial complex. In times such as these, run by an administration such as we have, what proof is there that the election was not a sham.
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4democracy Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:07 AM
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3. Don't forget Daschle, they really wanted him out of the picture
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:52 AM
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6. Daschle correlation to voting machines. Suspicious?


South Dakota Party registrations are:

Dems .... Repubs .... NOP

34.67 .... 43.19 .....12.85

Daschle needed almost all Non-Partisans. He and Kerry did okay in the paper ballot counties, but the people in the Op-Scan counties don't seem to like them as much, particularly Daschle. Go figure---when Daschle has 193,340 votes to Kerry's 149,244.

The fact that Op-Scan voting does not correlate with percentage of Daschle votes is surprising in view of the following other data and correlations:

The percent non-partisans in the Op-Scan counties is higher.

County Averages, Percent NOP
Paper voting = 7.64
Op-Scan voting = 11.18
All Counties = 10.32

All counties have the same percent Democrats.

County Averages, Percent Democrats
Paper voting = 37.37
Op-Scan voting = 37.29
All Counties = 37.31

Pearson Correlation percent NOP to percent Kerry = 0.296. Didn't they vote for Daschle too?

Pearson Correlations percent Kerry to percent Daschle are nearly the same, except for some fewer in Op-Scan counties.

Paper voting = 0.991
Op-Scan voting = 0.950
All Counties = 0.969

Of course, only 2255 swapped votes would change the outcome!!

Can anyone explain the different optical scan and paper ballot voting correlations for Daschle?
Paper = 0.601
Op-Scan = 0.063

This state needs statistical study beyond this initial exploratory method.
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imaginary girl Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:11 AM
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4. Don't forget Daniels' win in Indiana
He's a serious Bush pick. Even got a call from Laura the day before the election!

And the moving of straight party dem votes into the Libertarian's column in at least one county (Franklin) has been widely reported.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:13 AM
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5. Drip, drip, drip... all the ducks will line up
I pray (and I'm not religious).
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EMunster Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:56 AM
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7. kick to high heaven
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:58 AM
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8. I have my doubts Rev...Gee, if 2004 proves false what about
2002 or even...2000? Is this where the racketeering part begins?
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 03:56 AM
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14. 2003 CA Gov, KY Gov. n/t
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 07:58 AM
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18. No, it began long ago...
Edited on Mon Dec-13-04 07:58 AM by hootinholler
Is this where the end of the racketeering begins? I hope so.

I *Still* think RICO applies to the RNC.

-Hoot
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renaissanceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:00 AM
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9. I guess and hope
that this will be addressed only after the presidential fraud is uncovered.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:08 AM
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10. "Yes, don't forget Daschle,
Who could not stay in tune,
Replaced by the much more
Mellifluous "Thune".

"And that fellow who thought
He could unseat DeLay:
The bug man made sure that
THAT pest went away!

"On Arnie! On Coleman!
On Jebbie and Racicot!
For Carlyle and Enron,
For Wal-Mart and Costco!

"For all of these heroes
Of Liberty's fountain:
Let us all give thanks
We're the ones who are countin'."
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Old Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 04:22 AM
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15. Not laughing yet
This shows how hard our work is. They won't investigate themselves, and they don't dare let us win.

I think the Republicans overreached. They had a sweet technology in place that allowed them to slowly take over both houses of Congress. Rove used it in full force this election where the public opinion was so overwhelmingly against Bush that the altered outcome seemed incredulous.

Rove bet the future of the Republican party on the egotistical notion that he could personally dissuade any hint of fraud brought forth by the press.

If they had let Bush loose, they could have easily taken everything in 2006 and 2008. Now, no one will ever trust a black box vote again, and an unknown number of Congressmen and Senators face the very real possibility of charges of treason.

The majority of the house and senate are going to fight like wildcats to destroy this story. Thank god it's coming to light in the MSM!

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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 07:35 AM
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16. Here's to praying for a beautiful day!!
:toast:
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 07:40 AM
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17. Here to hoping you are right Old Mouse, my fingers are crossed
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