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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 01:24 AM Original message |
Ohio's 'CATERPILLAR BALLOT': As bad as Florida's Butterfly? |
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vpigrad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 01:51 AM Response to Original message |
1. Any pictures? |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 02:53 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Sample ballots for Cuyahoga county still seem to be up at URL |
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mulethree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 03:13 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. voting locations |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 03:37 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. THANK YOU! I haven't downloaded the spreadheet yet, but the other |
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mulethree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 04:49 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. yes, it dilutes the vote, so the 'favorite' at that poll looses most |
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berniew1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 05:09 PM Response to Reply #16 |
64. Just one of many things done in minority precincts to reduce Kerry vote |
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tinfoil_beret (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 02:35 AM Response to Original message |
2. Do these ballots have any print on them? |
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Dolphyn (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 03:04 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I've heard this called the "ballot shuffle" |
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mulethree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 03:16 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. can look for author jmknapp |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 03:17 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. THANK YOU! I KNEW other people had to have been thinking about this |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 03:06 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. From what the Cleveland Plain Dealer said Friday (URL in my lead-in), |
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tinfoil_beret (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 03:24 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. I noticed the wording in the Cleveland Plain Dealer. |
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Higans (819 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 03:13 AM Response to Original message |
6. Brilliant |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 03:50 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Why isn't this story about the "caterpillar/shuffle" ballot in Ohio as big |
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OutLiarJD (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 01:54 AM Response to Reply #6 |
41. Indeed. Well said. |
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Chili (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 03:48 AM Response to Original message |
12. I remember a thread about this... |
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jamboi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 03:57 AM Response to Original message |
14. Great expose! n/t |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 05:02 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Thanks! Be sure to NOMINATE this thread for homepage, if you want |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 04:28 AM Response to Original message |
15. How about a "ROTATING BALLOT"? |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 09:10 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. "Give it a name!" |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 11:18 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. I was trying to be witty and referential by calling it a "caterpillar", since |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 06:26 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I realize that, but you want to reach the masses, don't you? |
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skids (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 05:05 AM Response to Reply #22 |
56. Caterpillar is great for the masses. |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
19. LET's BEGIN analyzing the 'caterpillar ballot' problem at the first polling place |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
21. Continuing, final precinct vote tallies are in a HUGE text file at URL |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 01:23 AM Response to Original message |
23. But the presidential results are confined to a relatively small portion of that |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 01:54 AM Response to Original message |
24. Take a look at the ballot orders for the presidential candidates in these 2 |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
25. Similar results nearby, and a precise ESTIMATE of the miscount |
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smartvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
26. HEY!!!! Here is a thread analyzing its effect. It's DAMNING as hell! |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 01:49 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. THANK YOU! We need to unify the analyses in these two threads. |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 02:23 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Proposed division of labor: Continue "bottom-up" approach here, and |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
29. Do we have any evidence that Bush's name was on the same line |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 03:07 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. No, Bush's name moved from line to line just like Kerry's |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 03:14 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. So it wasn't a purposeful attempt to hurt Kerry? |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 03:39 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. It's hard to say what the Republicans intended here. I find it hard to believe |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
30. General framework for 'Caterpillar ballot' clusters: Part One |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 03:19 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Whoops! By mistake, I've discovered the DU codes for two happy faces |
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AtLiberty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
34. Why is voting in America... |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 04:26 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Because incumbents often "practice to deceive", as the old saying goes |
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jmknapp (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 08:22 AM Response to Reply #34 |
57. Well, this is analysis of voting results |
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AnIndependentTexan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
36. Tod A. Rapp sold buttefly ballots |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 03:58 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Do you know how long "ballot rotation" has been going on in Ohio? |
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jmknapp (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 08:25 AM Response to Reply #37 |
58. I don't know but |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 05:38 PM Response to Reply #58 |
66. I trust your intuition on this, but it seems to me that such a reaction |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
39. General framework, Part Two: Ways Bush voters could go wrong |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
40. Part Three: Using "Disqualified" to estimate the total number of miscounts |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
42. Empirical issue: Just how high is "too high" for minor candidates? |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 10:06 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. Just how high is "too high" for Disqualified (read Non-Votes)? |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 11:45 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Thanx4 the insight &the graphic. Nonvotes= votes for Disqualified +under- |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-04 02:52 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Non-Votes are an indicator ... |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-04 12:14 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Re q #1: What stat software pkg are you using? CODING TASK |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 05:11 PM Response to Reply #47 |
65. Which Disqual votes were meant for Nader, as a protest? The most |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-04 12:10 AM Response to Reply #42 |
49. Another approach to 'reasonableness': Use nearby single-precinct |
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mulethree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-04 04:18 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Map source |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-04 12:03 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Map of Precincts with >1.75 StDev in Non-Voting Percentage |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-04 12:20 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. GREAT! Thank you! Have you seen my post on the NOT-ALL-THE-WAY-DOWN |
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jmknapp (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 08:45 AM Response to Reply #52 |
60. Another way of looking at the non-vote distribution |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 05:05 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. The patterns are a match. Nice map Joe. n/t |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-04 12:49 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Another SUPERB GIS resource that just happens to focus on the Cleveland |
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jmknapp (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 08:41 AM Response to Reply #49 |
59. There is a lot of desire for pct-level demographic info |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 04:27 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Joe--I'm pretty sure you'd find every demographic you'd want at URL |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 04:41 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Fastest way to get demographics into a spreadsheet may be this link |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
43. Using 'excess' votes for minor candidates to estimate total miscount: I |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
44. Estimating the total miscount for a cluster: CONCLUSION!!! |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 02:04 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Corrected total miscount formula, applied to cluster 171 |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
46. FINALLY, the estimated total miscount is divided up and allocated to the 5 |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 02:58 AM Response to Reply #46 |
67. kick n/t |
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Carolab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 04:09 AM Response to Original message |
68. The one thing that stood out for me |
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