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madison2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 12:59 PM
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Anyone wanting a recount is a "dissident'
I've seen this word in every MSM article covering Ohio. You know your country is in deep trouble when people who question anything are labelled "dissidents".
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:04 PM
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1. You're right -- the use of this word is very disturbing
n/t
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:05 PM
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2. How long before we're "insurgents"? n/t
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wurzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:07 PM
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6. And then "terrorists".
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:07 PM
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5. yes, it sort of implies we are a fringe group
continuing with their propaganda to marginalize us
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:06 PM
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3. To Quote Abbie Hoffman
"you measure a democracy by how it treats it's
dissidents not it's assimilated conformists"
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:07 PM
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4. ha ha, just like in the former Soviet Union.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:07 PM
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7. well--just be aware that all the papers picked up the same wire story,
so that's why they all use the same language. I agree, my eyebrows shot up when I read that word. I felt like, next stop, the gulag.
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HEAVYHEART Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:07 PM
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8. Fine
Let em fucking say whatever they want. I remember a quote from Thomas Jefferson, I believe it goes something like this, "The truest form of patriotism is dissent"... or something like that. I don't have time to look for the actual quote right now.

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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:08 PM
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9. Proud to be "dissident"
I stand up to Fearless Leader! I dissent! J'Accuse! :)

p.s. Lord knows, I've been called a lot worse!
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neversaynever Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:11 PM
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15. COGNITIVE DISSIDENT (has been my sig line for a long time now)
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BlueOhio Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:09 PM
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10. Hope websters doesnt get bent at me for posting this.
Edited on Mon Dec-13-04 01:13 PM by BlueOhio
edited to include more info

1: Dissident \Dis"si*dent\, a. dissidere to sit apart, to disagree; dis- + sedere to sit:
cf. F. dissident. See Sit.]
No agreeing; dissenting; discordant; different.

Our life and manners be dissident from theirs.
--Robynson
2: Dissident \Dis"si*dent\, n. (Eccl.)
One who disagrees or dissents; one who separates from the
established religion.

The dissident, habituated and taught to think of his
dissidenc? as a laudable and necessary opposition to
ecclesiastical usurpation. --I. Taylor.

3: dissident
adj 1: characterized by departure from accepted beliefs or
standards
2: disagreeing, especially with a majority dissenting(a)]
n : a person who dissents from some established policy protester, objector, contestant]


Im proud to be called a Dissident!!
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:09 PM
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11. Fraudsters = terrorists. Crashing e-voting machines into the twin towers
of democracy and freedom. Ilegal and trecherous.
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:09 PM
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12. Well then
Call me a dissident. :)
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:10 PM
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13. "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" - Thomas Jefferson

I'm sure he's just another tin-foil hatter though.... :eyes:
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:18 PM
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18. You can get a bumper sticker for that quote....
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:10 PM
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14. Just one more confirmation that we're living in a dictatorship.
Wear the term "dissident" proudly: Lech Walesa, Nelson Mandela & Gandhi aren't unworthy comrades.
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Blue State Blues Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:15 PM
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16. Sad
It is a sad statement on the condition of American Democracy when those who advocate for elections that are fair and transparent and who demand simply that legally cast votes must be accurately counted are labeled "dissidents."

If that is a position of dissent, should we suppose then that the MSM officially advocates the opposite position on elections?
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phantomvotes Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:22 PM
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20. Did I hear anyone call Ukranians dissidents?
If anything we haven't been dissident enough.

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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:16 PM
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17. other good TJ quotes
No government ought to be without censors & where the press is free, no one ever will.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to George Washington, September 9, 1792

If our house be on fire, without inquiring whether it was fired from within or without, we must try to extinguish it.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Lewis, Jr., May 9, 1798

Determine never to be idle... It is wonderful how much may be done if we are always doing.
Thomas Jefferson

Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day.
Thomas Jefferson

Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state.
Thomas Jefferson

I do not take a single newspaper, nor read one a month, and I feel myself infinitely the happier for it.
Thomas Jefferson

In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock.
Thomas Jefferson

Nothing gives one person so much advantage over another as to remain always cool and unruffled under all circumstances.
Thomas Jefferson

Say nothing of my religion. It is known to God and myself alone. Its evidence before the world is to be sought in my life: if it has been honest and dutiful to society the religion which has regulated it cannot be a bad one.
Thomas Jefferson

Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
Thomas Jefferson

The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.
Thomas Jefferson

The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive.
Thomas Jefferson

We confide in our strength, without boasting of it; we respect that of others, without fearing it.
Thomas Jefferson

I have the consolation of having added nothing to my private fortune during my public service, and of retiring with hands clean as they are empty.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Count Diodati, 1807
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:20 PM
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19. Dissident means one who disagrees in opinion or belief
You bet I disagree! Openly. Proudly. I understand your language concerns and I can see the escalation. Still, if you look at the definition, it doesn't mean what they make it sound like.

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." Thomas Jefferson

If I am a dissident....they are fascists, well actually they are whether I am a dissident or not.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:25 PM
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21. Reality-based dissidents
Edited on Mon Dec-13-04 01:26 PM by Stephanie
Challenging the faith-based elections.

*edit - Very interesting they've switched from "conspiracy theorists" - which they've worn out - to "dissidents" We need the 1-800 number for Rove's Talking Points to see what his reasoning is for this switch.
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spoogly Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:27 PM
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22. THEY are the F&^%ing dissidents n/t
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:32 PM
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23. Why are you inferring that a "dissident" is a negative connotation?
While I would prefer the term "Voter Rights Activists" or something like that, one must admit that we ARE dissenters. It is up to the individual to decide if that label is "good" or "bad."

Language has as much power as we give to it. I do not fear words.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 01:34 PM
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24. I like that word dissident.
It reminds me of the days when this nation rose up and forced its leaders to end the war in Viet Nam. We also forced a president to leave office for electoral misconduct. Millions proudly wore the label 'dissident'.
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