After rereading Cobb's allegations - the implications are huge.

[ClintCooper2003]

How many more episodes of this will we see? Are there any other cases reported of company representatives tampering with voting machinery?

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. Not unless...

Other honest people step forward. Dear God, I do hope that there are other honest and strong people out there.

We need them right now.

[Wordie]

2. Do you have a source of something written on the subject? Link? n/t

[rockedthevoteinMA]

38. Link w/evidence

http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=490

[Junkdrawer]

3. WTF is going on with Bureau of Election offices?

This Cobb story is only one of many stories over the last several years where elections officials (both Democrat & Republican) seem more concerned with letting the voting machine companies have their way rather than insuring a fair count.

And what is worse is that elected officials seem OK with the whole mess.

[Us vs Them]

4. Of course they are

They're the ones that were 'elected.'

[Junkdrawer]

5. Democrat vs Republican. Good Cop / Bad Cop...

Tell me I'm wrong - please.

Better yet, SHOW ME I'm wrong.

[Us vs Them]

6. I wish I could,

We do have some elected representatives that seem to believe in the system of a fair democratic republic. Conyers, et al. I also find it very hard to believe all republicans are 'bad cops.' This is a very fundamental issue at hand, the legitimacy of our democratic republic. And unless they've been scared silent, I'd expect a few from across the aisle to break ranks soon.

If not... then... well... this country is in for some deep changes. I feel pretty safe making that prediction.

[Guarionex]

7. good...

let it sink...maybe if we go through a Nazi Germany experience it will teach us to NEVER, EVER, vote Republican again, nor allow fascism to creep in like it has.

I did my part warning people about it...and was laughed at...let them touch the hot stove and get burned...

[anamandujano]

12. "NEVER, EVER, vote Republican again"--not good enough

they may have a different name next time--how many ever again voted nazi?

the same who are prospering now will continue, the same who are suffering now will continue

[seito]

13. I totally agree

Not all pugs are evil, some are just misguided. There are some good ones left. I am sure, should fraud be proven, a few will break ranks.

[KoKo]

23. None of us know....We can't understand it. If the story Cobb was told is

true it was blatent. If they are that bold, what do they know that we don't. They know that they will never be prosecuted. With the Ohio Supreme Court only having two Dem Judges and Blackwell "above the law" then what?

Arnebeck's suit was delayed until the Conyers hearings then after that until Kerry put out his press release...WHY? Arnebeck was convinced when I saw him on C-Span two weeks ago, that he had the "goods." Was he told to back off? Some DU'ers say it was to coordinate with Kerry's lawyers. Was it... I wish to hell I knew. I've read every scenario here and over at KOS and mulled it over in my sleep and I can't come up with a scenario that doesn't look bad for any real investigation to come out of this. At most we will have a strong case for getting the election equipment cleaned up or standardized and a paper trail...but it doesn't get to how they did it and how they will find a way to do it again.

Maybe the story is just too big! For all we know maybe Clinton wasn't really elected! Maybe the Dems were the first to be involved with "machine fixing." (Pretty Unbelievable) but I'll believe most anything after these four years of Hell being lied to over and over. :shrug: It would certainly explain why the Democratic Leadership doesn't want to fight back over any hint of machine fraud/computer fraud. They want to keep it to "Civil Rights Violations" where nothing is ever done about that either....

[buddysmellgood]

31. The only reason I can believe would move a person to commit that

kind of blatant treason, is if they believed they were doing the work of Jesus. I think we have a network of fundamentalists that are willing to do anything.

[proudtobeadem]

35. Maybe the whole goal is not to get Kerry

elected but to to destroy the whole rep party with this afterwards.
Even if Chimpy can't be impeached -They'll NEVER be in power again.
Think about that scenario -isn't it devine???

[Junkdrawer]

36. Bold is an understatement - I'd go with "smash and grab"...

"Banana Republic" is becoming a more and more accurate description day-by-day.

BTW: My timeline has them starting in the mid 80s and working their way from the bottom up - State Legislatures -> Congress -> Senate -> White House.

[Junkdrawer]

8. Here's the intro to an article I'm working on...

By rights, the central tabulator hack should be impossible. It’s a smash-and-grab type of theft that should leave a wide trail of evidence. But, as more and more evidence comes in, it appears to be exactly how the 2004 election was stolen. And there’s some evidence that it may have been used in elections as far back as 1988.

In brief, the Central Tabulator Hack works this way:

Step1.) Before the election, a precinct-by-precinct “dream scenario” is constructed that puts the hackers desired candidate over the top, but in as believable way as possible. Care is taken to insure the election is not too close so that automatic recount laws are not triggered.

Step 2.) On election night, as election results are entered into the central tabulators, insiders, either in person or by remote modem access, substitute this “dream scenario” for the actual results. As we will see, the only tabulator software that has been publicly examined, Diebold’s “GEMS”, seems to be purpose built to accommodate just such a hack.

Step 3.) After the election, all electronic records of the election are correlated to the “dream scenario” and any paper evidence that would expose the hack is either destroyed or carefully locked away by law.

[Must_B_Free]

15. You forgot one before step 1

On election day, measure the trends until 5:00 PM to establish the actual vote trends. This result will dictate the number of votes needed to be stolen.

(this is why the election only goes in favor of Bush in the EVENING, reversing the tends of the day. Same thing happened in 2000 and 2004)

[Junkdrawer]

16. Then that would be between Steps 1 & 2...

Preliminary scenario - adjusted with exit polls...

[idealista]

19. Curtis wrote a program to adjust the candidates percentages

If you know exactly what percentage you want, it doesn't matter what the real votes cast are. The tabulator doesn't specifically add or delete votes, it just produces a pre-determined percentage.

[idealista]

17. I a really liking where you are going with this

This puts in context the hints and bits of evidence that fraud did/could have taken place.

With proper dissemination, I think it would help people visualize the whole scenario.

By the way, do you have any way of knowing that this is how it has been executed, or are you guessing? Is this historical fiction?

[Junkdrawer]

20. I've been following the issue for a loooong time...

The finished article will have lots and lots of cites...

[mdb]

9. Big difference in Cobb's today over his advertisement speech the other day

Go Cobb's!!!

[jamboi]

10. Heck yeah! I'm telling ya this was a very big bombshell. n/t

[KoKo]

27. We don't know if it can be verified and that the technician won't make

up a story about it that's very plausable if you are a Republican. Who will prosecute this until you can prove the technician did something to change the machine which affected the vote? How would you know because you no longer have access to what was there before the change and it it was changed or not. Maybe the machine did have a bad battery...who would know...:shrug:

[kerry2win]

11. if this aint a watergate moment nothing is

There has to be some honest msm to report on this and not give up until the whole truth comes out. If not ???

[KoKo]

26. It's not Watergate...this is something new. It doesn't have anyone

pushing it. No Washington Post behind it. NoOne...just us and the Black Caucus/Jesse Jackson/Cobb and supposedly a Kerry lawyer in the background.

This isn't a case of a beltway institution with a Publisher and Editor (Ben Bradley and "helpers") bringing down a President. It's just odd...and a repeat of 2000 where we Democrats didn't have any help...from the powers or the press.

[MarkusQ]

37. Watergate wasn't "Watergate" at first either.

And it isn't a matter of beltway infighting. If there isn't some powerful outsider in the world somewhere who'd love to pick this up, we truely are living in Bizzaro-world. Oh, and in hindsight ot will be obvious.

--MarkusQ

[pointsoflight]

14. I would consider it a prima facie case of fraud.

The onus in this case should be on them to prove there was NOT fraud.

[Clark2008]

18. Can you re-post the link to Cobb's allegations

I've somehow missed them (only able to blog in the late evening).

Thanks.

[mdb]

21. I'll post the audio.

http://www.kathymcmahon.utvinternet.com/mrn/audio/InsideTrackNews041213_3pm.mp3

[milkyway]

22. It is very big, and seems legit. I don't know why some people here are

down today, but they were so excited yesterday because of Kerry's letter. Kerry poking his head out a little more is nice, but a whistleblower with evidence of flat-out fraud is a whole lot more important.

[KoKo]

24. People are down because they were told if Kerry came in the MSM would

be all over this story. With the Cobb news of the technician fooling with the machinery and the lock down of the recount in some counties and the doors being left unlocked and Arnebeck's law suit finally being filed, many thought it would blow the lid of the silence of the Media.

Yet...tonight we have a little on Olberman and NOTHING ELSE. I only watched CBS news but Rather said nothing and I posted asking if any of the other Networks mentioned Ohio and posters said no...

So...that's why folks are down. Hell...I'm down and I didn't expect the media to do anything with it...I don't really know why it's just the track record from 2000 that I'm going with..but this is worse.

[garybeck]

25. i'm not down. today was awesome. screw the MSM.

think about this.

the minute the MSM starts to jump on this story, it will be a two-edged sword.

on one hand, more people will become aware of what's going on.

on the other hand, the MSM will destroy the truth.

I say, screw them. The hearings can take place with or without anyone knowing. it's all good news.

Why don't we just let the MSM continue to sleep on this and when Kerry is inagurated, or Bush impeached, maybe they'll let everyone know. And then, they'll have egg all over their face.

[KoKo]

28. They can hold hearings til the cows come home...but they have no

power. They can't subpoena they can't get the rest of Congress on board without Repugs appearing and pushing for full hearings. They can listen but they can't do more. The lawyers for Kerry/Cobb and Arnebeck's lawsuit are all we have. They aren't sure they can even impound the machines unless some evidence of fraud is found and if the machines are already being tampered with...where's the investigation going to go..

I don't like being discouraged...I hope there's really something big with the Curtis story..that he can privately tell them were to look and how exactly how tampering is done. But, proving how it was done in Ohio after so many years after Curtis's original work would be hard for him or the lawyers to do. They've probably gotten very sophisticated and with Blackwell there, covering their tracks is a snap.

Without some big power on our side...it will be very very hard...Maybe "the Power" will show up...or is waiting for just the right moment.

I hope so..

[shraby]

29. I would think Conyers

called in authorities to question other county employees where the tabulators are. Maybe some others saw some hanky-panky with the tabulators. Ordinary people who work in those places might not be so tight-lipped about it when questioned.

[zimba]

30. For me, its not so much that

we havent had the coverage, its the implications of why such a big story is drawing a blank. That is scary. Has corporate control gotten that powerful? Are journalists today that chickenshit? Even NPR described elction fraud theories as ludicrous. WTF is going on?

[libertypirate]

32. How often do the machines get "Serviced"?

I bet the answer is right before "each" election.

[shraby]

33. And apparently right before recounts.

[Alizaryn]

34. Maybe we need our own "Machine Technicians" to HELP

fix the machines.