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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:36 AM
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Calling John Kerry...the time is NOW.
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 10:43 AM by joeunderdog
In a legal sense, this week may be the perfect storm, with the Arnebeck suit and the affidavits by Curtis and the worker who witnessed the tampering. Thank God I have DU; otherwise I might not have heard of any of it. Sure it’s great stuff, but unfortunately, it won’t stick unless MSM holds it up for all to see. In my view, the reason that hasn’t happened is because the pols are hiding in their caves. Unless Kerry steps up, pounds his fist on a pulpit and essentially says “This is bullshit,” it’ll all be reduced to window dressing in a critical blow to both the democratic process and the 2004 election. If, like so many of us have believed, Kerry has been playing it close to the vest to wait until just the right moment--that moment has arrived.

But John Kerry is MIA.

Before you call me a naysayer, whiner or meanie, consider this: we haven’t even been able to convince half the people who voted for Kerry—including many hardcore liberals—that Election Fraud is even a credible concept. Only 20% of all Americans question the voting process at all. For all of the OMG, OMG , pom-pom waving here, our mammoth story remains in small print. With a story of THIS magnitude, we still get excited about drip, drip, drip when in reality we should be getting ka-boom.

Some argue that this is not a popularity contest and we don’t need MSM exposure. Wrong, wrong, wrong. If John Kerry stood up and cried “Election Fraud” it would have wide-ranging results.
1) A public outcry by Kerry will promote public dialogue, true investigation, donations, watchdogging and legitimacy in the MSM. Many will criticize, but many will come aboard, too. Like 60 minutes, some news outlets themselves are afraid of the backlash of being called conspiracists for initiating this story without some sort of public event to provoke it. Kerry can remove that barrier by speaking up.
2) Kerry would make instant believers out of the voters who only get their news and form their views from MSM. There are millions. Some people who need to be told how to think—Repubs and Dems—need to see a credible face with a concept that is widely dismissed as crazy conspiracies.
3) Public officials would be unlikely to pull the kind of crap that Blackwell is pulling each day. Do you think they’d’ve left the store open at the voting booth if CBS was in town? Would they have illegally locked down a recount with a NY Times reporters at the scene?
4) The Courts who will ultimately hear Arnebeck’s suit only have pressure from their (Repub) partisanship. Without a greater force of public outcry, only the incredible pressure from BushCo will decide the court case. Like Florida, the merits of the case won’t matter. Even Arnebeck says he needs public support to win this, and Kerry could bring instant exposure.
5) Lastly, I concede on the point that if JFK speaks up, it might negatively impact his political career. If he speaks up and it doesn’t work, then I guarantee you he will not win the next rigged election, either.

With BushCo politicizing the FBI, computerizing the voting via Help America Vote, stacking the Supreme Court, blowing up the Middle East, dismantling Social Security and continuing on The Mission from God, we can’t afford to let this play itself out. 2008 is too late.

The time is now, John Kerry. Tell the world that this is unconscionable, criminal and blatantly unAmerican and that you’re not going to offend the people who voted for you by going quietly. People have risked their lives, their money and their futures for you by stepping up and going public about Election Fraud. A fluffy sound bite about “every vote counting” ain’t working. Throwing Jesse to the wolves was heroic, but he unfortunately doesn’t have the universal credibility that you have. Instructing your lawyer to send a letter requesting what is rightfully yours is certainly commendable, but a show of passion and outrage by YOU is the only way that the substance of the claims of Election Fraud will be considered by those who matter. Don’t miss the sweet spot here. You need Arnebeck and Arnebeck needs you. WE need you.

And the time is NOW.



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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:38 AM
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1. Email it to Kerry!
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:39 AM
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2. He already spoke. He conceded. He's a DLC-doer. And we know the DLC.
What’s worse is to watch the pathetic sight of the DLC (the conservative, pro-corporate group of Democrats) apologizing for being Democrats and promising to “purge” the party of the likes of, well, all of US! Their comments are so hilarious and really not even worth recognizing but the media is paying so much attention to them, I thought it might be worth doing a little reality check.

From www.michaelmoore.com ( http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=174 )

So, who's going to stand with the DLC? I'll stand in front of them, and tell them that if they really don't want votes and unity and a better America, then they're doing the right things. Then I'd tell the slimy fuckers to sod off.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:31 AM
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12. so, who said they were smarter than me, they are wrong
and now we have to shown them how wrong they are and how right we are.

i have a sisterinlaw, intellectual snob. living in cape cod. lawyer, ivy league. oooosh she is nigh perfect.

sent me a joke about election, powerful all knowing liberal she is, and i told here, no........bush stole. i know this. weeks ago, right after election

havent heard from her since. but bet it made it thru all the really educated liberal in laws in the family, and they got a chuckle at that silly julie.

we know these people. we know their weakness too. and we know we are right and they are wrong. educating them, kerry, just like educating the republican father and brother
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:31 AM
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13. not going to give up n/t
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:20 PM
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28. I'm blown away by the list of those pols and media types who
haven't raised a voice to object to this travesty of justice. They are giving silent approval to what's going on, and it's unforgivable. Passivity is complicity.

I hope one of our boys steps up soon.
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:45 AM
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3. Well Written - If He Doesn't Respond, He Won't Get Support in '08....nt
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berner59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:52 AM
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5. Yes - well done...
He NEEDS to hold a press conference and lend his voice to this recount big time!! He doesn't have to say that he thinks it will be overturned - he just needs to state his belief that every vote counts and talk about the all the emails he's received, all the evidence that has come out and that Blackwell is not complying and if it takes him and Edwards to light the fire and get this done, then so be it. Personalize it with examples of these poor people standing in line in the rain for hours - and then some even turned away...come on John - speaking truth to power...do it!!!
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Shameless Agitator Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:49 AM
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4. Amen!
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:57 AM
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7. Thank You joeunderdog!!
JFK needs to unconcede right now or all is for naught! He needs to take this risk, and then the people will support him!!
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MsConduct Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:52 AM
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6. WOW! Way to put into words exactly what I'm thinking!
I'm tired of hearing 'Kerry is playing it close to the vest', 'Kerry is waiting until all the facts are in', Kerry is blah, blah, blah...
An the truth is, Kerry is nowhere!

I've said it more than once here (and everywhere else anyone would listen) I voted for someone who I thought was a 'leader'. Someone who would scream foul and pitch a fit from side of America to the other. I hate that we are the only ones making any noise and pitching a fit. Whether Kerry really won the election or not, he
should be fighting for what is right. He and EVERY elected lib official.

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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:36 AM
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15. "Lib" huh? That's an awfully flip characterization of your own values.
Can you prove that Kerry is nowhere, doing nothing? I know you're frustrated. Aren't we all? But is the source, the true source, of your frustration John Kerry? Or is it George Bush** and his cabal of Radical Rightwing criminals? Who's responsible for the situation that's causing your frustration?

Answer that.

NGU.


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MsConduct Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:01 PM
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20. All of the above if you must know. One is a a useless puppet, the other
SEEMS to be weak-kneed wimp.

Sorry to inflame your sensibilities, but this is a place to express my opinion(s), isn't it?

BTW I've seen you FLAME others on this board. Who made you the board police?
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:09 PM
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25. I have a problem with people who come here to talk down our side.
I have no problem with anyone expressing an opinion. I have a problem with destructive hostility.

NGU.


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MsConduct Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:00 PM
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27. Let me get this straight..... as long as every comment/opinion
here is nothing but praise and kudos for the left side (because we are perfect, after all) that's just fine. But any comment/opinion that isn't high praise indeed, is 'destructive hostility'? Sorry, does not compute. Disagreement is not treason.
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neversaynever Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:13 AM
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8. You are right...email it to Kerry, send it s-mail to Kerry,
overnight express, so someone has to sign for it.

it is absolutely crucial that this story come out big time now.

for that, we need "celeb" status -- and a viable candidate!
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Pseudofool Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:14 AM
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9. Kerry
There is still nearly four weeks until Jan. 6th. That is quite a bit of time for the press to do their shin dig. There is no difference between Kerry shouting from the pulpit now or two weeks from now.

Kerry will ultimate wait to see what happens with the Triad smoking gun...and this is smart, this could be the clincher. He could hold a press conference in the next week if they clear up that puddle, but I think he'll wait. The only way he comes out sooner is if it appears Arenbache case will be dissmessed without Kerry contesting the results.

Imagine Kerry will begin contributing funds before he makes any anouncement. He'll make small, noticeable steps (I hope) that help to solidify his position in the recount.

If Kerry doesn't begin making some very loud noise two weeks before Jan. 6th--he's either a co-conspirator, a DLC lap dog, or so egotistically looking at 2008. (Which he would stand no chance.)
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CantGetFooledAgain Donating Member (635 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:19 AM
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10. I would add this thought...
John Kerry, the 2004 election is your last chance to become President. You will not be nominated in 2008. Your supporters will move on to another candidate. Your choice is to fight now, or remain a senator forever (or until another fraudulent "election" takes even that away from you).

Good luck.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:27 AM
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11. i am a dissident john kerry
i am 43, raising two little boys, in the panhandle of texas. a mom. and i am a dissident

wont you be a dissident with me
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:32 AM
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14. Hate to break it to you, but he doesn't post here.
And I doubt Chris Heinz is running to him every couple of minutes telling him what joeunderdog posted.

NGU.


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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:44 AM
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16. If Kerry doesn't speak he can forget his pres hopes.
The 20% who know he broke his promise to make every vote count, would not be interested in more of that.
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Guarionex Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:48 AM
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17. i agree with this assessment
I can't even convince my dad, who was a socialist radical in youth (socialist moderate in his 50 years of age) that fraud occured (even though he's not surprised...but he's educating himself on it...not wasting his time). His words: I'll believe it when I see John Kerry saying it...I've had 4 other radical friends say the same things.

I think there are millions of liberals and progressives out there, that, given hope and cause, would join us...but Kerry needs to speak...forget the right-wing backlash...let them fight us...we will win by the power of our commitment, organization, and the evidence we have.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:50 AM
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18. Don't you just love these threads that are pure speculation...
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 11:51 AM by ClassWarrior
...and the entire premise is, "If X, then John Kerry is a worthless piece of shit?"

{But ClassWarrior, don't you want the free and open exchange of ideas?? LOL}

NGU.


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sheilajane Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:00 PM
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19. Finegold office keeping track of calls
I just called Sen. Feingold's office and was told that the office is keeping track of the numbers of callers who are upset about the Ohio situation. Please call and add your name to those concerned and let him know how many people are asking for help!
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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:04 PM
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22. Feingold's office phone number
What is it? I'll call.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:06 PM
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24. Congress. Toll free. 1-800-839-5276.
NGU.


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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:02 PM
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21. Send a postcard to Kerry's home: Now is the time to report for duty!
Senator John Forbes Kerry
19 Louisberg Square
Boston MA 02108
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:10 PM
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26. Send him a holiday card
Saying all you want for Christmas (or whatever you celebrate) is DEMOCRACY.

I want him to hold a press conference. Don't we have enough proof??
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:05 PM
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23. every vote DIDN'T count
because jk did not stand up in time. katherine blackwell got away with running out the clock, because jk did not stand up. we are hanging by a thread here. jk better damn well be the one senator, unless he is one of 40 or so.
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