Why haven't I heard about it on the TV? How do we combat this?

[texpatriot2004]

Okay, so we bring up the issue of election fraud and all the related information and the person or people we are talking to say, "why haven't I heard about it? It's not on the TV or in the papers." Immediately, this is the issue that the conversation turns to. A long secondary issue, complicated and yet related to our issue. I can lose the whole election fraud conversation to explaining Corporate media.

Anyone else have this problem? What do we do about it? Any ideas? Suggestions?

Should we approach the two together? One person here at DU says they start off with, "why isn't the MSM covering the election issues..."

Is there a way to synthesize these issues effectively? Or get our points across without being detoured?

My question is not about the media coverage (or lack thereof)it's about people not knowing the problems of the media. That their ignorance on the Corporate Media issue blocks our message of Election Fraud. You know what I mean? It's like interference. I am tackled in the first 100 yards because they don't understand the Corporate Media problem. Then, the whole conversation shifts to that issue or fizzles out all together.

What's the solution to this?

[Griffy]

1. 100,000 people in the streets.. be in DC on the 6th!! nt

[Vincardog]

4. How about 1,000,000,000 people in the streets? Dream big or stay home

[texpatriot2004]

14. I admire your vision n/t

[EFerrari]

17. Well, by now you can say it's been on MSNBC, CBS, ABC, CNN

and in lots of papers. (Okay, this is from the Repugnican playbook, but literally true.)

Why isn't it big? "You know how tv news is, they cover cr@p." Most people will agree with that. You've got the agreement, go back to your issue. My two, anyway.

[Vincardog]

2. We need to steal a page from the Rethugs. Write up a pamphlet explaining

the whole thing in short simple bullet points. The Fraud the Corporate cover up and the FASCIST take over of our country. Then air drop it over major cities. VIVA

[texpatriot2004]

15. That's a good idea, I can do the pamphlet...who has the plane?

[demo dutch]

3. Because the story does not have juicy details so

the media hounds will not cover it.
I started a thread that what we need it a massive TV ad campaign, to get people's attention and ask the question:

Do you know if your vote was counted?"

Of course that will cost a lot of money but maybe a 527 group can be established, fund raise and accept donations or maybe existing groups can undertake this.

I just don't think the MSM will cover this unless juicy scandals come to light.

[Vincardog]

5. Why feed the beast? We need to go outside the media with the message.

How about a contest? $10,000 for best message? $20,000 for most enterprising approach? MSM would bury good adds or screw us with placement. How would your add play of FAUX news?

[texpatriot2004]

6. My question is not about the media really, it's about people

not knowing the problems of the media. That their ignorance on the Corporate Media issue blocks our message of Election Fraud. You know what I mean? It's like interference. I am tackled in the first 100 yards because they don't understand the Corporate Media problem. Then, the whole conversation shifts to that issue or fizzles out all together.

What's the solution to this?

[joeunderdog]

35. I have the solution. It simple.

yesterday's rant...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=155184&mesg_id=155184

Go ahead, JFK. Make it happen.

[iconoclastNYC]

7. We need viral marketing...entertainment....

Listen, most people don't care! We have to get their interest by throwing something entertaining.

The best thing would be a flash type animation...look at that stupid "This Land is My Land" thing.....it was huge....millions of people saw it.

So what we'd need is a comedy writer, flash animator, someone to do some music, some bandwidth, and a huge huge huge seed list to mass mail it to.

The hard part is making the presentation engaging and funny so people will pass it on....the factual content to the audience would be a bonus. The hook has to be the humor.

How you turn vote theft in a humor situation is beyond me, but I'm not a comedy writer.

I saw the Recountdown thing on www.toostupidtobepresident.com but i didn't even send it out b/c i didn't think it was that funny really.

[texpatriot2004]

8. I think that's a good idea and good point but I am talking about

in conversations with people how to get past this "why isn't it on TV?" roadblock in the election fraud conversation.

[demo dutch]

9. What we need is a massive TV ad campaign about Voting Fraud

To bring this in front of the American people and expose the problems in Ohio and ask the following question

"Do you know if your vote was counted?"

Of course that will cost a lot of money but maybe a 527 group can be established, fund raise and accept donations or maybe existing groups can undertake this.

I posted a thread but not too much interest. Thats how the nonsense about the swiftboat got started with an ad!

[texpatriot2004]

10. I think you have a good idea, but I am still interested in talking

points here. In a conversation with one or more people, how can we get around the roadblock of "why haven't I seen it on TV?" that's my question in this thread.

[iconoclastNYC]

11. Talking points

- This doesn't involve sex. Sex = Ratings = Profit

- The "corporatized" media does not rock the boat, they want stability for the sake of the economy and the stock market

- The media owned by Republicans and they like the outcome, fraud or not

- The Republicans and Bush control the agenda in Washington which may include more de regulation. Deregulation = Higher Profits. Upset republicans and endanger your priorities in Washington.

- The person who would gain if the fraud is exposed is a Democrat

- If they pursue it they will be accused of being "liberal"

[insane_cratic_gal]

29. Yes and make sure

they point out all of the african american precints that were targeted with long lines. Or were unable to vote.

then a zoom in on children "will democracy be around for your children"

[MrTootles]

16. Hmmm

I'm officially delurking now.

If we are serious about an advertising campaign, two things would be most efficient (in terms of cost):

Internet and an ad in the NYT (as mentioned).

I am attending an art school and have Photoshop skills and would be interested in contributing if a concise message can be established..

Not to toot my own horn, but I'm generally pretty good at taking serious topics and instilling a bit of humor to catch people's attention.

Anyway, I'm just throwing this out there.

[newyawker99]

18. Hi MrTootles!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[understandinglife]

12. "Operation Oprah" suggestion at this link...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x157194#157309

Peace.

"When Did Bush Know?"

[texpatriot2004]

13. kick it for answers

[EFerrari]

22. Another point "why not on tv"

You might point out that the media took a LOT of flak in 2000 and they don't want to go through that again, no matter what is going on. They're running a business, not only a "public service" (Rolling my good eye)

[texpatriot2004]

19. kick it past the roadblock

[GetTheRightVote]

21. How about a huge bill board like the one of Bush Our Leader in Orlando ??

We could put our names on it, in Big Letters, Election Fraud 2004 or some such message from the people to the blinded people of our country. What do you all think or what other suggestions are there ?? Maybe one in Ohio and Florida, get them with one big shot in both states, it will drive them crazy in both locations.

[texpatriot2004]

23. I like your idea, where do we begin? n/t

[grasswire]

20. If........

....the media were liberal, you'd be hearing all about it.

Proof that the media isn't liberal.

[texpatriot2004]

24. That's the truth! n/t

[BR_Parkway]

27. Actually, if you did an email about the "librul media" covering

just a few "slap forehead, I can't believe it" moments and forwarded it around, the Repugs would keep passing it along as it fits into their world view. Not sure how to word it so that it makes the right points, but would be an effective way to spread the word.

[EFerrari]

25. 'Far as I can see, there are three Repug objections that normal

people sort of pick up like a flu bug:

1) Why isn't it on the news?
2) It won't change the election's outcome
3) We'll be spending all that money for nothing
4) (I lied) You lost. Move on! Funny how good they are at picking up our phrases and turning them on us.

1. It has been on the news but not enough, just like most important stuff
2. Changing the outcome isn't the whole point. We need to make sure our votes count.
3. How much did we spend on Whitewater and not one conviction?
4. Can't move on and leave all those disenfranchised voters behind. We're better than that.

What else? I think going over this is useful because we're practicing and this isn't going to end badly unless we stop talking.

[texpatriot2004]

26. Thanks so much sfexpat that is concise and very helpful

I think you are right about the practice thing. It helps to fine tune things here. I know it has helped me to think out loud and have the awesome feedback from the DU community on this.

I love "how much did we spend on Whitewater and not one conviction." And, "can't move on and leave all those disenfranchised voters behind we ARE better than that."

[MarkusQ]

28. WMD, the X-prize, etc.

Simply point out that the Media don't make news, they report it. They only print what sources tell them, and the more controversial, the less "mainstream" the longer they take to check their sources. They'll print a statement from a celebrity or a public offical the same day, and ditto sports scores. But science, international affairs, things that require research, or things that they don't have a direct source for take longer.

They did, after all, report that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction, but only a year or so after the war had started. They did report on the Watergate break in, and Enron, and the Dot Com boom, but only months or years later, after it was obvious-in-hindsight. Unless there is a spokesperson they can quote, don't expect your news to be fresh.

--MarkusQ

[iconoclastNYC]

30. Maybe Arrests?

Maybe its going to take people getting arrested in sit-ins to get attention at the local level, maybe it could bubble up from the local news? Instead of 51 capital march, what about a 51 capital sit in.

Widespread coordinated civil disobedience crafted to titillate the media's interest could be effective.

I mean just think you could shut down wall street by doing sit ins in the NYC subway and snarl up the stations that serve wall street. Maybe that is technically terrorism tho?

How many people got beat down and arrested during the civil rights movement?

Are we not willing to do the same to prevent these Fisher-Price voting machines, and all the other stuff?

Also We need a non-partisan 527 group, with all the tools and tactics of MoveOn.Org, and fighting take away every dirty tactic the republicans utilized in this election. We need commercials that show what a neo-Hilter could accomplish in the USA with these Fisher Price voting machines and the suppression tactics and what not.

This group could appeal to democrats and republicans. Republicans know that Democrats can abuse this stuff too if need be.

[McCamy Taylor]

31. you must not be watching Keith at 8 est on MSNBC

Watch him every single night, make his ratings soar, make the other networks notice that coverage of Votergate 2004=advertising revenue in their pockets.

[nancyharris]

32. Duh!

The reason the MSM has not run with “fraud” election stories is because there is absolutely no evidence to substantiate the claim!

There are lots of rumors and suspicions but nowhere is there evidence. Name a person who committed election fraud and show how the fraud was committed and the MSM will run the story 24/7.

[Sideways]

33. Of Course Dear

:eyes: Duh my ass.

[ClassWarrior]

34. Why didn't we hear about Iraqi prisoner torture on TV...

...until the pictures surfaced?

NGU.

[EFerrari]

36. It's even worse than that: We're news junkies here, and the day

the pix were starting to surface, a reporter asked Rumskull about them and he said, "That is a tactic of terrorists. There will always be complaints."

He called the torture people terrorists, the sob, to cover his remote.

[Kralizec]

37. Our Democracy is in crisis. It's going to take some groundbreaking

thinking to balance the playing field against the neo-cons.

[Fly by night]

38. Don't wait. Now is the time to get in the streets in your city

All it took to get press coverage here in Nashville (great segments on the evening and morning news on our CBS affiliate and morning mentions on our NPR radio station) was to hold a "Gathering To Save Our Democracy" on the steps of the Tennessee State Capital last Sunday as part of the "51 Capitals" action. We got great attention with only about 100 people at the rally, but we came equipped with signs, speakers and much documentation.

Taking a cue from the Ukrainians, we will be back this Sunday (12/19/04) for our second "Gathering" and this time, we hope to draw 1,000 people to the State Capital (2:00 pm, east side of State Capital, on Charlotte between 6th and 7th -- free parking off Charlotte between 8th and 7th, behind our Supreme Court building). Believe me, we will get more media coverage when we recite the evidence for election theft and our crowd chants "THAT'S THE TRUTH" loud enough to be heard throughout downtown Nashville. At this point, we have speakers lined up from the Kerry/Edwards campaign, the TN Greens, veterans, young voters, older voters, ministers, social scientists -- we even hope to get the Republican candidate for Congress from Nashville who stated during the campaign that he would not vote for Bush.

So get in the streets now!! Demand media attention by doing something newsworthy. Having a large (or even small) broad-based, inclusive, energized, colorful and articulate crowd that assembles peacefully to demand that we save our democracy WILL GET ATTENTION.

To close, here's a link to some coverage we got for our first small rally last Sunday. Stay tuned for more coverage or, better yet, get out there and create your own. With this story finally being legitimized in the Washington Post and New York Times today, what are you waiting for?


http://www.tnimc.org/feature/display/3890/index.php