Urgent!! We need to contact Bev

[proudtobeadem]

Who here keeps in touch with her?
We need to offer to help her and see if she is safe or not. Guys, whatever happened in the past HAS to be forgotten. She may have the smoking gun we need.
How are we gonna feel when we lose and know that maybe with the stuff she's got we might have won????
We (and by we I mean everyone involved in this -us, other sites/orgs., Conyers, Arnebeck, Bev, Kerry and others) have got to stick together as an organized body, a single indestructible indivisable ENTITY that WILL NOT STOP. And to do that we need to put Democracy and every thing that needs to be done to save it before personalities.
Someone please call her -preferably someone she'll listen to.

On Edit: yes, I chose the word indivisible on purpose.

[Willy Wonka]

1. Screw Bev.

She's selfish and almost worth nothing to us Dems.

Other people has the smoking gun. Don't count on Bev to glory.

-WW

[jamboi]

13. The original poster is right. We need to do what we can to work with

Harris. Its in our and her and everyone's best interest.

[shraby]

26. United we stand...Divided we fall

and if our backs are up against the wall..we'll be together...together you and I.

[proudtobeadem]

33. That's the spirit soldier!!!! :)

[jamboi]

46. Essentially we are involved in a critical battle hear and as soldiers we

need to avoid shooting our own, even/especially when they are ailing.

[Mister Ed]

48. "Choose your enemies carefully"

I'm too new here to have witnessed the ruckus between Bev Harris and DU. But surely she is not the enemy. And surely the real enemies must be delighted by these bitter divisions.

[Name removed]

20. Deleted message

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[Fiona]

2. Just a guess

but maybe you could contact her through her own website?

[proudtobeadem]

4. I've never spoken to her and I kinda got pissed at her before

(sorry, I'm tired and have PMS now)

[WilliamPitt]

3. If it was easy to contact Bev

99% of the current bullshit wouldn't exist.

[troubleinwinter]

6. More importantly, if she had bothered to contact others.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

14. Hear, hear.

The time for transparency is now. Enough of the intrigues. Of course, she does not have to lay everything on the table, but it is time to get real honest with the people who have supported her and put themselves out in front of her and her work.

Honesty. That is all it needs. Clear honesty.

[Must_B_Free]

5. I emailed her and she emailed back

Is it possible that some is erasing her messages from her cell phone box? all someone has to do is dial the number and hit "7". There may be a passcode involved.

[proudtobeadem]

15. That...

is what i saying in the other theread, I mean we already had websites attacked, cars run off the road and a poor dog killed.

[jamboi]

16. Quite possible that her messages are getting erased. But if you

have had success contacting her before I'd urge you to try again.

[Must_B_Free]

23. You just heard her on the Rhodes show

are we suggesting that someone ois there with a gun to her head making her act like she's OK?

If I email her, that isn't going to change.

Tell me what to send, I'll do it, I'm just not sure what we're asking.

[proudtobeadem]

28. I suggest calling/emailing her

and asking her to please get in contact with Conyers, Arnebeck,etc...
to give whatever she has to them, copies at least, EVEN if she's not done figuring it out yet -there is no time for her to do this alone.
I am sure Conyers or Kerry can hire all the tech help they need.
Tell her this is no longer about prooving something happened one year from now, this is about Now.
She will probably also need some sort of protection -even if it's only to have alarms put in her house, but she needsa help to do this
these are not nice people.
We have a small but distinct chance to do this now with all the evidence. Now the NAACP, and Maxine Waters is in too!!!

[jamboi]

30. Express concern for her and let her know others care and want to see

her suceed, but also that we need her to contact Conyers and give her information ASAP. This is to protect her as well as break the story. Find out if she needs some of us to be with her to protect her, and if we can help with the IP number tracking and analysis of the new data she's got. Try to build bridges. That's my suggestion.

[momzno1]

27. Katrina Sumner inOhio was reporting phone problems too

There is some scary technology out there. We can't jump to conclusions about Bev like this. If Bev is close to proof, the BFEE would like nothing more than for us to abandon her.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x153353#153758

Katrina: "Only since emails and phone calls were proven to be getting intercepted after having some tests done have I began to get a little more paranoid. "

[proudtobeadem]

31. I guess that's why

I made the connection. I read that yesterday and must have stored it subconciously.

[proudtobeadem]

32. As a matter of fact,

what is the easiest thing with the most effect to attack in a war?? Communication.

[in_cog_ni_to]

47. OMG. They intercept her emails and phone calls? Holy shit.

I do hope she gets some protection.

For some reason my anti-gun stance has changed to pro AK-47 ownership! These RWers have turned me into a wannabe gun totin' woman! :scared:

[proudtobeadem]

35. When?

[Kelvin Mace]

38. *sigh*

Why do people INSIST on making excuses for her. This complaint goes back over a year now.

How do I know? Because I used to take Bev calls and arrange her interviews and callbacks, or I did until she decided I was Satan's cabana boy

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
www.plan9.org
www.blackboxvoting.com
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[pbartch]

7. I agree! She has discovered valuable information

anyone not agreeing is nutso.

[tridim]

8. FR is aware of the Bev issue

Just a head's up.

[proudtobeadem]

10. Do you mean they're here or are they talking about this over there?

[AnIndependentTexan]

22. I thought I would check to see if it was true and apparently they are

Thanks to what happen today with Bev Harris these b'stards are trying to plan ways to rip us off. They are trying to figure out ways to create more infighting. I don't know if they are just joking or what but either way Freepers are idiots.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1301450/posts

Isn't there a way we too can bilk the liberal masses. I don't think its fair that only "liberals" rip off liberals. Between Michael Moore and Bev Harris the lib DUmmies have been taken out behind the financial woodshed.



51 posted on 12/14/2004 3:59:14 PM PST by mlbford2
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just found a foolproof method of making some easy money! I will pose as a voter fraud investigator on DU, and ask for donations to finish the job, since I am so close to breaking the fraud discovery wide open. The DUmmies will send in contributions if they smell discovery of GOP voter fraud is close at hand, and unless they donate soon, the chance will be lost.



56 posted on 12/14/2004 4:01:25 PM PST by gwbiny2k
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[YellowDoginthehouse]

55. These guys come over here and post discouraging material...

Then start fights to distract everyone. You can always tell them by their post counts and their content.

[DTinAZ]

11. alert sent...

...on "WW"

[proudtobeadem]

39. WW?

what do you mean?

[DTinAZ]

50. abbreviation for...

...screen name. Do the math...

[saracat]

41. Dupe

[saracat]

42. Why? He is saying what many DUers have already said

including the moderators when she was banned. Maybe he wasn't as diplomatic, but he bordered on what Randi Rhodes implied. Sorry but I don't think that is proper just because you don't agree.

[DTinAZ]

53. you're welcome to your...

...opinion, and I can't get all that specific without violation the instructions found in the only pinned item currently at the top of this forum.

"Other people has the smoking gun"

sounds like a *ism...not like an educated DU'er, IMO.

[Verve]

12. FR? n/t

[jamboi]

18. Free Republic. n/t

[Quakerfriend]

17. I'm glad to hear that someone is thinking of this

We do need to stick together, and not jump to conclusions without knowing everything about what she's going through.

[pbartch]

34. i TOTALLY AGREE. THE HATING HAS GOT TO STOP.

[Kelvin Mace]

40. I agree,

Bev first. When she apologizes for smearing people's reputations and publicly retracts her legal threats, we'll consider it.

Personally, I don't hate her, but I ain't happy with her.

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
www.plan9.org
www.blackboxvoting.com
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[propagandafreegal]

9. Will she return the call, though? nm

[proudtobeadem]

21. We won't find out until we try... and if she don't we just

keep bugging her It's just too damn important.

[Vinnie From Indy]

19. We'll know if she is getting close

As soon as they whack her dog like they did that Curtis guy, we'll know she is on to something. I will be interested to read the "big announcemnet" on their site tonight.

[GetTheRightVote]

24. I am all for getting as much info on fraud but BBV appears

to be for herself, but I will eat my words if that comes to not be true so take it if info comes our way.

[Fescue4u]

25. Just call around to the nicest hotels in FL.

oops. Did I say that out loud?

[shraby]

29. You did and it wasn't either necessary or nice.

[Fescue4u]

43. I know.

I just started to get dissmayed at what Im learning...and not learning.

[HeyManThatsCool]

36. Sad

I can't believe after all thats happened on these boards, with Bev's bipolar behavior, anyone could try and argue that she may have "the smoking gun".

On 2nd thought- maybe she DOES have the smoking gun. That being evidence of HER shady behavior.


Sorry to all the believers. I need more than empty promises and vague insinuations.

Bev's safe unless you count how destructive she is to herself.

[jamboi]

44. Uh...

thing is that whether she's having stress related problems that bring on erratic behavior it says nothing about whether she has good evidence or not. Someone can be completely wack and still have good info. and after seeing the thing about Katrina last night I don't think it is safe to assume any of these investigators are safe.

[Carolab]

37. I am quite certain that if Bev had "what we need" we'd have seen it by now

as that would certainly secure her future as our Joan of Arc.

I don't think she has enough yet to blow the lid off, as she'd certainly like to do. That is why you see her requesting IP addresses, etc.

[pbartch]

45. IF you would have heard her stating they have evidence of calls out

it sounded VERY interesting to me.

I feel people who know about IP addresses and technology should get involved NOW and see what can be done to bring this information to the IMPORTANT people (like Kerry and Conyers. etc) and get the people responsible for COMMITTING THESE ILLEGAL AND FRADULENT ACTS IN JAIL.

Fraud was committed. THOUSANDS of votes were LOST because of what occurred!

[DTinAZ]

56. the IP address

"people who know about IP addresses"

I know a little...and I listened to Bev's abortive appearance on Randi's show tonight...and checked in over in the BBV.org forums, where "BevHarris" posted that the IP in question was:

192.168.2.4

At the time she was speaking with Randi, she didn't seem to realize that that's an internal network IP...she seemed to think that it belonged to some "private company somewhere" (sure, when you look it up at ARIN, you'll find it associated with the "Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Number" but that's only because it's not a public IP on the Internet).

Nobody is going to be able to "trace" that IP...it's used in millions of networks all over the world.

edit: fixed typo

[m berst]

49. am I missing something here?

What exactly is it that is so urgent? Either you know that someone is in danger or you do not know that. If you do know that a person is in danger, posting it here isn't helping anything and you have an obligation to disclose what you are basing your fears on and to report it to law enforcement. If you do not know that someone is in danger it is irresponsible to start a thread that implies that someone is in danger.

In either case, how does whipping up hysteria or starting rumors do anyone any good?

[garybeck]

51. as I've been saying all along

we should not let anyone's personality stand in the way of our viewing their evidence objectively

it's all about the evidence

don't shoot the messenger

[trayfoot]

52. In the other thread, someone said that Bev

had been banned at DU? Is that true - and why?

[Kelvin Mace]

54. Here you go

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x108750#113134

[trayfoot]

57. Thank Plan 9 - I missed that somehow.