Votergate is NOT Harris's film - it is being produced by some good people

symbolman

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Wed Dec-15-04 05:39 AM
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Votergate is NOT Harris's film - it is being produced by some good people

Edited on Wed Dec-15-04 05:44 AM by symbolman

I'd like to set something straight here, at least on the DU, and if someone can spread the word around to Randi, and some others, I'd appreciate that as well.

In the interest of fairness I'd like to make the confession that I know for a fact that the Votergate film that has been promoted by BBV.ORG (not the one that she is dissing, another Votergate film) is NOT associated with BBV.ORG

They are from Britain, making their film and producing it themselves after having done a bang up job of getting the word out in England on ITV - something like a 14 minute piece on our elections, and the electronic voting scene..

I talked to the producer, who called me at home (scary how people can find you) and we jawed for nearly two hours about the whole KO situation, the "bursting" into the Retirement Party by Harris, Wynne (?) and Andy as well as other sundries, like WHY there were TWO Votergate films, one of which was being publicly dissed by Bev Harris and other members of her cult. (In case you don't think I like her, you are barking up the right tree.)

Russell Michaels is producing Votergate in association with Teale Productions and Earl Katz of Public Interest Pictures.

All of these people are fine folks who don't deserve to be pilloried along with her - she is a PART Of their movie, and not ALL of it.

And tho Takebackthemedia.com has made a film about this subject also (called "Electile Dysfunction" and now selling as a Premium on Buzzflash.com) we think that there are more than one hat, or blender or car in the world and so variety is the spice of life..

I think the more voices the better, and the more information passed along the more we ALL stay on message about this hijack of our country by electronic means, and we DO NEED to STAY ON MESSAGE HERE.

If you look up Earl Katz (and I talked to him briefly a few weeks ago, knowing NOTHING of his illustrious resume' - so of course I sounded like an idiot to him I am sure) you will find that he is a GREAT Humanitarian who has done nothing but GOOD for the Progressive Movement and People worldwide.

A good man. All good people by my standards.

While Russell Michael and I disagreed on both our personal views and the Media's "perception" of Bev Harris's "shenigans" or "virtues" (you have to chose one, there is no middle ground allowed - kidding) - we did agree that she was part and parcel of the story of Electronic Voting in the USA - there is no denying that.

(There's no denying that the DU is also part and parcel, or David Allen or Eloriel, or a host of others as well)

Where we diverged is that I believe that Bev Harris was "staging stunts" - voter activism stunts because cameras were there - it's called "chewing up the scenery" on the stage and it's my opinion that marching into the Retirement Party of LePore (a vile creature) to "serve" her with a "courtesy" copy of legal papers already served by someone else early in the day was grandstanding for the camera. By Bev, FOR Notoriety which in the future could bring donations to her once the film sold, and of course would help sell the film.. the cycle of marketing is a wonderous creature, eh?

But Michael explained that Votergate cameras were not allowed in the room - so that left only Wynne (?) (the one that turned her camera on the pissed off crowd and said, "this is what democracy looks like..") to film the event.

SO the Producer of Votergate was NOT filming.. interestingly enough, Harris later said SHE did not own that footage (and I believe this is what KO wanted to show on his program), that Votergate owned it, then said, it was in LA for editing, then said, she had given it to local NBC affiliates who ran it (after an admitted 40 mile cab ride - way to spend that donated money, Bev - ever heard of renting a car?) LOCALLY in Florida.

I got ONE story from the Producer, and that's how I like it, not 25 scenarios that refute each other.. He said that the footage had been "firewired" directly into his camera ON THE SPOT.

It looked like they did that a lot, he admitted to me that there had been TWO episodes at the Volusia Poll place (the garbage scene), that they had not been there for the first one (which meant that WYNNE (?) had filmed that - was that firewired into Votergate cameras later? Dunno, assume so - then it went off to LA or FLA? Dunno, sounded like it from Harris.

Votergate cameras did not show up at the Volusia garbage bag punching rodeo until a few hours later, but then STILL wanted to check the trash bins, as they saw people running out with trash while standing there..

There was some confusion also about what "tapes" people were talking about.. there were both VIDEO tapes and POLL tapes being talked about, and so that got mixed up in some minds both here on the DU and maybe even on her site.

Michael swore that Bev Harris and the others did not know that it was a Reunion, and I believe HIM. I don't believe THEM.

He swore that none of this was scripted for effect and I believe HIM but not THEM once again.

We have even made the offer for him to send us a trailer of his film to put at the end of our DVD so as to promote his work as well - he didn't exactly make the same offer as he has professional standards to maintain and he hasn't seen our film so I respect him for it.

But I wanted to make sure that people know that Bev is NOT the film company - she's in my opinion creating conflict, knowing the camera will love it, but the director is Not directing her to do it.

A distinction. Many things get blurred once you fall into the belly of the beast called the Media - I know, been on O'Reilly, Joe Scarborough twice, Lou Dobbs, etc.. it can get wierd, and sometimes yout think, "Jeez, one little stunt and I would be famous and could A: do more good, or B: get ho's and money C: be called a fraud and lose my credibility, etc..

Like I said, I don't like Bev. I don't like what she's done to people (Especially Andy, who I feel is a little too much "out there" for my taste, but what she did to him I wouldn't do to a DOG..)

I don't like what some people have become, so riddled with hope that they'll buy into anything, ANYTHING to get some relief.. their brains seize up, their emotions boil out, they refute others who try to convince them with actual posts or footage, whatever.. it reeks of HATE and I don't support that..

It almost feels like we are dealing with a republican at times, some of the manipulation, strawman arguements, red herrings, etc.. straight out of the Republican totebag of how to control other humans.

But I can't let this connection go on - I know the truth about the movie Production and Bev Harris and the truth should come out.

And I think there is no better time to make the distinction than now. So tell Randi if you will, or Malloy or the Hoffmania blog, etc - the connection is only that they are making a movie and she will be in it.

Michael said to me, "If nothing else, to people in our country to see a retired grandmother become such a ferverent activist and try so hard is something that everyone should see.."

Can't argue with that.. :)

Michael asked me if I got a shot at going on KO's show would I clear this all up about his film and Bev Harris - and I told him, "Well, no.. I'd talk about our movie instead.." he laughed.

But please go out and buy our film, ELECTILE DYSFUNCTION (at Buzzflash.com) http://www.buzzflash.com for another viewpoint, filled with my animations, a fun, entertaining, and educational DVD.

Thanks for your support. Now you know.