It's not the scandal. It's the cover-up.

[mattclearing]

Time and time again, this is how it goes down. Maybe we've been looking at this all wrong.

The recounts, while important and wholly worth pursuing in my book, may turn out to be a lost cause if they manage to fix the totals and 3% of precincts.

However, if we keep pressuring them to have to fix these things over and over again, they will keep making mistakes, like this Triad fuck-up that has garnered national attention.

We need to keep pressing for recounts, pressing for explanations, both in Ohio and elsewhere. Every time they are forced to defend this, they make mistakes that can be exploited.

Look at the Volusia mess. If that video ever surfaces, we can force people to take another look there. These things need to be followed up by people who are local.

The opti-scan ballots cannot be fraudulently re-filled in to match the totals. It would take a crew of people YEARS to replace these in the proper precincts. We need to call that bluff.

We need to keep pressuring them. They are on the defensive. The more pressure we put on, the more likely we will find out something that will make a judge rule for a FULL inspection of the ballots.

When that happens, we will have exposed the fraud. We will win.

[smartvoter]

1. And the public understands things like "What is Blackwell hiding?" nt

[libertypirate]

2. BING!

[impeachthescoundrel]

3. I think you are right

Remeber Watergate.

[jamboi]

17. Right on! The more frauds monkey around the more chances to screw up

and its usually much less well planned out than the original deception, since its ad hoc by the seat of the pants. So more chances to nab them. That's why I'm not as worried about the actual count in the recount. I just figure it will smoke them out.

[seito]

4. You are on target with this one

We have got to keep the pressure on.

[robbedvoter]

5. But it IS the scandal - my vote is more important than anything.

You want to spin it - muddle the truth like they do? Go ahead. The media will still ignore you and all you've done is trivializing voting, democracy.
I can only look at this one way: the democratic process in this country has been twarted.

[mattclearing]

6. Perhaps I should rephrase: It is the cover-up that gets them caught.

You are right. This is a strategy to get from a to b in this particular battle. What you are referring to is the long-term war.

[smartvoter]

7. I don't see it as muddling the truth. Rather, as you go after...

the truth and they try to hide it, they look guilty, which builds pressure and sentiment to get at the truth.

[mattclearing]

8. kick!

[helderheid]

9. kick

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

10. Bingo.

[DoYouEverWonder]

11. Why are US elections

the only accounting system in the world, that doesn't count the numbers twice?

[mattclearing]

14. That's a brilliant take on it.

eom

[McCamy Taylor]

12. exactly! and the more pressure we bear the more stupid things they do...

...so keep up the pressure and people like Katherine Blackwell will make Friday afternoon calls locking down the voting records when someone requests copies of them.

[mattclearing]

13. Yeah. I think the actions people are taking are provoking mistakes.

I say keep it up. Someone is bound to crack or talk or screw-up royally, and then it will be a short distance to a Kiev-style showdown.

[MarkusQ]

18. His name is Ken, not Katherine

I know Bev suggested calling him "Katherine" but I think it is silly at best, and most likely counter productive. If we want people just joining this forum to understand what we are saying (and accept it) we should at the very least endeavor to call people and organizations by their right names. It makes googling for more info easier, it makes explaining it to strangers easier, and, after all, it is the truth we are after.

--MarkusQ

[McCamy Taylor]

23. puts more pressure on him if we call him Katherine

[keepthemhonest]

15. maybe the machines come up with almost the exact some number

when they run them through again, or if not all are run through it is as a %. Am I stretching this one or what?Why do the counts so far seem to have not changed anything significantly.

I guess we will have to count on the fraud evidence and any leftover provisionals to save us on this one,because we can not seem to beat them at this game(on their field)

[Mister Ed]

16. Yes. Apply pressure constantly, everywhere. Truth will out. n/t

[rumpel]

19. Which law enforcement has jurisdiction, for the people in Ohio

recount to contact?

[mattclearing]

22. I don't know, but the person that figures that out and presses charges

will get a gold star.

You'd think Conyers and Arnebeck would have found people with standing and grounds to do so by now.

Perhaps that recount failure yesterday will lead to something.

[zapped 1]

20. kick! nm

[RaulVB]

21. Excellent rationale (n/t)