Has it occured to anyone besides me

[bush_is_wacko]

that OBL specifically mentioned fraudulant elections in his tape just prior to the election? That tape was 75 minutes long! All we heard was a 2-3 minute excerpt. Both Kerry and Bush looked pretty shaken up after that tape. Every day I read these posts and see the incredible wealth of information that has NOT been released, I wonder what was on that tape that WE were NOT privy to.

[RevCheesehead]

1. Now THAT's an intriguing thought! n/t

[rumpel]

2. Sorry, who is OBL?

[Timebound]

4. Osama Bin Laden n/t

[bush_is_wacko]

5. OSAMA BIN LADEN n/t

[rumpel]

8. Thanks. duh

[Timebound]

3. Here's a transcript:

http://www.realopinion.com/realboards/showthread.php?t=6

It's quite interesting.

[bush_is_wacko]

16. Yes, but

Where is the rest of the 70 minutes or so of that tape? I think he is saying he warned * before it happened and that * did nothing. I think he alludes to the fact that * was involved. I think there is a lot of MISSING information! And I think that missing information was probably an explicit threat. OBL doesn't like the American media very much, if I remember rightly. He doesn't like Tom Brokaw enough to possibly send anthrax to him. Isn't it strange that tom retired, just after the election? I can't quite make the connections, it is too much thinking for me, but that OBL tape may have a lot more bearing on the current media blackout than we realize. :tinfoilhat:

[jamboi]

22. Do we have the rest of the transcript available? I think more was release

d. It was playing on Al Jazeera, and I think one version was with English overdub too.

[bush_is_wacko]

24. I've never seen or heard the rest

if anyone knows of it's existence it would sure make me feel more comfortable to know EVERYTHING he said!

[ewulf]

26. Al Jazeera has this:

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/79C6AF22-98FB-4A1C-B21F-2BC36E87F61F.htm

But it doesn't really look like a 70 minute speach. They claim it is a "full transcript", however.

[bush_is_wacko]

34. Thank you for that, more insight

and more truth comes to light. He is suggesting that we get rid of *, but he is also suggesting we get rid of our corrupt leaders. does he mena all of them? Is he suggesting a civil uprising? I think he may be. And that would certainly play into his hand! Maybe all the behind the scenes work is a BETTER IDEA than I thought. it prevents civil uprising, but it may still accomlish the goal of EXPOSING * and his EVIL administration!

I also don't think that is 75 minutes worth, but a little closer. He is very specific. I wonder just how specific he got. I remember there were reports that the WH asked Al-Jazeera not to release the tape at all. Since they didn't listen, it is likely we only got the condensed version over here because Al-Jazeera ran that little tidbit for us.

[knowbody0]

6. propaganda

his references to F911, making michael moore a traitor to our so called war on terror was just bullshit. the timing of it, the promotion of it, the whole thing too wierd.

[roseBudd]

12. Actually the My Pet Goat reference on the OBL tape was not

necessarily from F9/11. Bush's timeline on that day including the video of his time in the classroom was available before F9/11 on the internet. I considered blaming F9/11 just a GOP talking point.

[knowbody0]

25. it is sooooo hard to keep spin separated from news

you are right

[roseBudd]

63. Unfortunately the news media never told us what Bush was doing that

morning. So Michael Moore had to.

[righteous1]

7. So what your implying is that OBL is privy to vote fraud?

[pick_a_dilly]

36. OLB could have been refering to the FRAUD in 2k . . .

don't forget * stole that one too!

[Helga Scow Stern]

48. OBL said that *Sr. learned election fraud in the mideast and brought it

here where his sons could carry it out...

[Broken Acorn]

9. Yah, I read that some where too...it was kinda creepy n/t

[bemis12]

10. I'm not taking

my lead from OBL. But you're free to do so.

[bush_is_wacko]

18. I'm not saying that...

I'm saying that THE media may be!

[jamboi]

11. One relevant quote here: did not forget to pass on the expertise in fraud"

"He passed on tyranny and oppression to his son, and they called it the Patriot Act, under the pretext of fighting terror. Bush the father did well in placing his sons as governors and did not forget to pass on the expertise in fraud from the leaders of the (Mideast) region to Florida to use it in critical moments."

[Helga Scow Stern]

49. It seemed a clear indication at the time of what was to come....n/t

[MelissaB]

13. I caught it

and have been wondering...
OBL called it! Now, you have to wonder how he knows. Nah, there wouldn't be any Saudi relations in this. They see, know, and own nothing.

[rumpel]

14. OBL (ehem) family must be talking to him, I thought the "rest"

of the family are good friends with the *'s

[Amaya]

15. YES! Thought of this awhile ago

but I didn't want to be accused of :tinfoilhat:

[bush_is_wacko]

19. I guess I'm too old

to give a #$%^ what people call me. There is a connection, I can feel it and intuition doesn't often steer me wrong!

[righteous1]

31. Got any stock tips? n/t

[bush_is_wacko]

42. Wish I did!

The only advice I have to offer is work your butt off and save! But remember that you can't take any of it w/ you when you die!

[Dolphyn]

17. ... expertise in fraud ...

Bush the father did well in placing his sons as governors and did not forget to pass on the expertise in fraud from the leaders of the (Mideast) region to Florida to use it in critical moments.

-- OBL

[jsascj]

20. I just assumed he was referring to 2000 n/t

[genieroze]

21. Got a link to it or the transcript?

[Last Lemming]

23. Clear that OBL was onto this long before

say--I--was The problem is finding a true translation The Fox one is useless and obviously censored Al Jezeera has one but I don't think it was complete since I found another translation (but I can't remember quite where and couldn't find it on return) that included other things Look--this was a video tape that included SUBTITLES--I read what transcripts I could find before the election and thought--oh, my God, OBL is actually giving us advice--good advice--and he's warning us against our own government I think this is why Bush/Ridge didn't use this as a golden opportunity to raise the threat level--no one wanted to draw any attention to OBL because of what he said

Nobody really reported on this Why not

[bush_is_wacko]

28. Exactomondo!

And they aren't reporting any connection to that tape and our current debacle either. I get the impression it may be "for our benefit" "in their eyes!" It is certainly to *'s benefit to tell the media OBL threatened us w/ another attack if we went through election hell again!

[ginnyinWI]

32. but with what motivation?

why should OBL care if we have a fraudulent election or not? He said it didn't matter who won, that our "security" was in our own hands.

[bush_is_wacko]

38. I think OBL

may have been calling for an uprising. It would stand to reason that our government would want to keep all this election fraud evidence as quiet as possible so as not to have that happen. I suspect now that Kerry/Edwards may have intended all along that they would have to find irrefutable evidence and keep it as quiet as possible to avoid appearing as if they were following OBL's lead. The media may have been told there was some more explicit threat to them or America in general to keep them quiet!

[Last Lemming]

37. Except

you can imagine how it went over--I went into work the next day and told everyone, Bin Laden is trying to be our friend--

Look--all our personal values may end up subverted--our entire understanding of these times--Rumsfeld's department of misinformation runs so deep all those beheading videos, for example, I think

I'll try to look for a transcript Al Jezeera is a good source of relatively unbiased news

[jamboi]

30. Well if you know where some of these transcripts are available, please

post. Thanks.

[MelissaB]

35. Transcript from Aljazeera

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/79C6AF22-98FB-4A1C-B21F-2BC36E87F61F.htm

[Last Lemming]

39. Even this is not complete

It's certainly not 70 minutes worth of speech
This omits a long description of how easy it was to survive the US bombing in Afghanistan

[Sydnie]

45. OMG I have never read that translation before

"This is in addition to our having experience in using guerrilla warfare and the war of attrition to fight tyrannical superpowers, as we, alongside the mujahidin, bled Russia for 10 years, until it went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat.

All Praise is due to Allah.

So we are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. Allah willing, and nothing is too great for Allah. "

That is exactly what is happening! And Bush* is helping him. The cost of his inauguration alone (did I hear 30 MILLION for that tonight on Keith?) is staggering. WE can't have health care, our soldiers can't have armor, but Bush* can have a grand ole party to honor himself! He does think he is king, doesn't he?

[bush_is_wacko]

46. Yes, isn't this like a roadmap of our demise?

Freaks you out doesn't it?

[Sydnie]

51. It absolutely does freak me out!

I was just thinking today how broke I am this year as opposed to say - four years ago, lamenting how much more everything else costs now and how slim my kids Christmas will be this time. I now totally understand why.

I am just sick over this. I can now agree, with no doubt in my mind, Bush IS the worst pResident EVER! He knew then and he knows now what he is doing and he doesn't give two shits about any of us... not the ones that opposed him and certainly not the ones that supported him from the "heart and soul" of this country. What a load of crap that is!

I can hold my head up high knowing that I didn't buy it then and I am not buying it now!!

[bush_is_wacko]

52. Your gonna need that strength

I've been thinking those same thoughts for many years now. It started when I had little old ladies and little old men crying at my job because their Healthcare deductibles had gone from $10 to $50 dollars and they hadn't been told. Some of those people had to forgo glasses and eye exams that they REALLY needed! I have seen sooooo many people I know starting to lose EVERYTHING! How do you think those elderly people are going to survive rising food, drug, healthcare, gasoline, and heating costs? I HATE THIS ADMINISTRATION! THEY ARE PURE UNADULTERATED EVIL!

[OKthatsIT]

55. This shouldnt surprise anybody...BinLaden isnt a genius either

Taking down a country? See how easy it is?

The ONLY thing that makes US who we are is OUR VOTE. We, THE PEOPLE, must stop letting others do our thinking for us. Stop stealing our hard earned money to milk the war tit, feeding corporate profit.

We, THE PEOPLE, have to take back the country from corporate controls over our politicians...stop private sector campaign financing to create balance again.

We were warned by our Founding Fathers...its astonishing how insightful they were about US.

[bush_is_wacko]

57. Yes folks it's that easy n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

68. Something I've always known about the Chimp

"and he doesn't give two shits about any of us...not the ones that oppose him and certainly not the ones that supported him from the "heart and soul" of this country." Not a revelation to me.

[Karenca]

50. That was very interesting.

scary
I hate the B*shes. All the innocent people that were killed on 9/11......while the B*shes laugh and make money off of it.
Fuck them.

[bush_is_wacko]

40. The Al Jazeera one is a little more insightful!

Look up a few posts it's there. Like I said it does give a little more food for thought!

[praisethelowered]

27. What I read seemed to be closer to the truth and less duplicitous

than any speech i have ever heard from Bush. I don't condone his actions, but his words were hard to deny.

He talked about bush sr. admiring the saudi ruling class and attempting to set up something similar for themselves. . .

[bush_is_wacko]

29. I also remember

that despicable appearance our belevod leader made on election night. It was just before the tables started turning! He scares the bejeeebies out of me! I hope they are trying to take him down behind the scenes!

[ginnyinWI]

33. "they" who? the media? n/t

[bush_is_wacko]

41. The dems and/or the media and/or...

Do you think we can trust our own FBI anymore? I'm not sure the corruption hasn't reached every aspect of our government!

[canadianbeaver]

70. Oh I am sure you do know....

Corruption has reached all in POWER....you would be hard pressed to find anyone in the higher ranks that would care.....they all have money and money makes the world go round in their lives...POWER MONEY POWER MONEY POWER MONEY POWER MONEY and on and on and on

There will always be someone who will never give up...meaning the people that really care will always be around...taking steps to keep the LOVE AND LIGHT alive....those who are not blinded by this * admin. are gonna keep going...our lives depend on it....even if it means going UNDERGROUND!!!!

[Last Lemming]

43. We have no Idea

What Bin Laden's actions were We've been feasting off misinformation not news Reporters don't do sh*t It takes about thirty seconds for someone with an internet connection and a tad of common sense to see that the "terrorist mastermind" Abu Musab Zarqawi is about as real as Scooby Do

The terrible thing is that they are setting him up as the next big bad guy--they know nobody will tolerate a draft unless we have another reminder that America is at war
so they set up the equation Abu Musab Zarqawi + "nuclear event" = military draft

[bush_is_wacko]

44. I agree

that is a fear of mine! The next terror attack will lead to a draft, but don't think I don't realize the Dems may be putting it on the table! Will it lead to upheaval in this country, or do you think the zombies will lead their children to the slaughter in droves?

[Sydnie]

56. I am beginning to wonder if they will but not for the "god and country"

reasons that we might think. I wonder if they would sacrifice their children so they can feel more connected to their parents?

Hear me out -- With the "greatest generation" and all, they had a common past that linked them, molded them, and gave them strength and resolve. This group of "baby boomers" that are waving the flag and holding the cross are trying to morph into what they perceived their parents were -- more connected to a larger group by shared experiences.

Have we, as a generation, become so dysfunctional that we would sacrifice our children to give greater "meaning" to our lives? I think quite a few on the right are just that warped to think that way.

I would prefer leaving my mark on the world by making the world better, taking care of those that can't take care of themselves (the children and the elderly), healing those that are sick or just being there to be support for my family and my community. I DON'T want to martyr my child to make myself feel more "connected" to anybody!

[bush_is_wacko]

59. Well,

It just so happens that I have a relative that told me this past Thanksgiving that, he knows the Veitnam war was wrong, he knows Bush lied, he knows the Bush administration is bad for the economy. His excuse for voting for * is Kerry threw away his medals and went to Hanoi, He served in the Navy for 8 yrs., You don't throw away medals! But his own brother threw away many more medals from that war than Kerry ever dreamed of having and he wants nothing to do with talking about that war!

Mind you, This man never saw a day of combat, honerable discharge during the early Vietnam years.

When I asked him if he was willing to send my kids and his own grandchildren off to die in Iraq...he got up and left the conversation!

I think you may be on to something Sherlock!

[Red State Blues]

62. Actually...

It's generation "Y" that's being set up to be the next "greatest" generation. The baby boomers will be the corrupt idealists who send them to war. (just like the last time)

[peacetalksforall]

47. What bin Laden says doesn't mean much to me because it might

be scripted by Karl, however, I stay alert for hings that there may be a betrayal and revenge drama to come because the cabal seems unable to maintain good relationships with foreign partners (except for the Saud family).

[Razorback_Democrat]

53. Election fraud from "region's presidents" hmmmmm

So he took dictatorship and suppression of freedoms to his son and they named it the Patriot Act, under the pretence of fighting terrorism. In addition, Bush sanctioned the installing of sons as state governors, and didn't forget to import expertise in election fraud from the region's presidents to Florida to be made use of in moments of difficulty.

sounds plausible

[bunny planet]

54. You could read the entire transcript of the OBL tape on Al Jazeera and

there was quite a bit for * and Darth Cheney to worry about, they made sure the complete tape did not get released and then after the election nobody was talking about it anymore. Maybe we can still find the juicy parts and post them. I believe OBL was referring to the theft of election 2000 though, but he said other incriminating things about the * crime family.

[bush_is_wacko]

58. the election fraud of 2000

IS the election fraud of 2004, only on a grander scale!

On edit: the election fraud of 2004 had better planning and more time to perfect he fraud!

[Name removed]

60. Deleted message

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[smartvoter]

61. I thought he meant 2000. nt

[bush_is_wacko]

64. And OBL releases another tape this morning!

How weird is that! Do you suppose Rove was reading this thread?

[Sydnie]

65. I just woke up and haven't heard that -- where is the info?

Do you have a link for that?

[bush_is_wacko]

66. Al_Jazeera version is here

There are others on ABC and MSNBC, sorry was gone for a while.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/B58D9404-C8FA-4499-8578-61130175A33D.htm

Again not very detialed and certainly not the hour long tape that is reported.

[libertypirate]

67. After I looked at that transcript

Holy shit...

Everything we and the Dems said about Bush, So did OBL? WTF?

misleading

a strong feeling against injustice and a strong determination to punish the unjust

He passed on tyranny and oppression to his son, and they called it the Patriot Act, under the pretext of fighting terror. Bush the father did well in placing his sons as governors and did not forget to pass on the expertise in fraud from the leaders of the (Mideast) region to Florida to use it in critical moments.

It appeared to him (Bush) that a little girl's talk about her goat and its butting was more important than the planes and their butting of the skysc****rs. That gave us three times the required time to carry out the operations, thank God.

Dems said all this first... Now OBL barfs it up in a tape.... What a fucking crock of shit this is...

[helderheid]

69. The thought has crossed my mind

That the OBL tape is FAKE. He's DEAD. They got old video and dubbed a new message that could have come from Michael Moore's mouth to make US LOOK LIKE WE'RE ALIGNED WITH OBL. Just a paranoid thought. :tinfoilhat:

[libertypirate]

72. I have never seen enough evidence to say he is dead...

Although I have seen, evidence that clearly shows it was more then two airplanes that took down those buildings.

[mattclearing]

71. It's just another way to say that we "...are with the terrorists."

OBL supposedly having said this is just another way for the R's and their media parrots to say Kerry voters are on the same side as Osama.

Bastards.