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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:21 PM
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Lesson #2:
If elections are what they sure seem to be in this country, I will not vote EVER. Better, I will now campaign for not voting. Elephants do not reproduce in captivity and citizens may publicly refuse to vote when their vote is utilized to validate a parody of democracy. I don't care if the idiot, or his brother or his cousin or best friend stays in power. The blackmail and the show will end there.
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:22 PM
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I'm not voting ever again unless they do something about these machines.
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:25 PM
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3. "they" is us and we have to get out in the streets and protest or it won't
change.
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Pepper32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:56 PM
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16. Jamboi, for once we agree! n/t
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Rockerdem Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:26 PM
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5. Swamp the machines then.
Make them start smoking. Then people will begin to understand the problem.
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:38 PM
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13. Makes it easier to rig and validates the fraud by numbers.
I suggest just the opposite. Heard about boycott, strike, that sort of things?
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:08 PM
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19. I would like to
strike them with a sledge hammer.
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:22 PM
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1. So Give The Fuck Up
It Matters Not.

We Will Continue the fight without you, while still fighting for you, dear fallen soldier.
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:27 PM
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7. Oohh. It matters!
Once the rate of participation falls below 40%, it matters. There's more than one way to oppose, and, apparently, the Diebold way is not the best.
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:24 PM
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2. Suicide may be fine for you, but I'm fighting back. n/t
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Razorback_Democrat Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:26 PM
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4. Really! Don't give up! That's what they want you to do!
give up
stay home
drink the kool aid

stop caring



Don't do it!!


Fight Fight Fight!!!!!!
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:27 PM
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6. One of "them" is
among us.
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:28 PM
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8. Asian Elephants actually ......
.....have reproduced repeatedly at the zoo in Portland,OR , since about 1960 when Rosie begat Packy. Then Belle begat MeToo. There were others born in regular succession after those first famous births.
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:35 PM
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11. Looks like it works in politics too...
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:32 PM
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9. We have 50 states and the District of Columbia.
We need to work to pass 51 seperate legislations to protect the election process.

Congressman Conyers is doing what he can at the Federal level, but this is a state issue and we're going to have to take it on one state at a time.
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:34 PM
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10. Conyers is the only one that I respect at this point.
As per lesson #1, he has my vote.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:36 PM
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12. I won't vote unless we change the system
and get rid of the machines.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:45 PM
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14. I refuse to let them disenfranchise me
If I stay home next election, they definitely won. If we all do that, they don't even need to cheat.

The more we vote, the more they have to cheat, the more chances we have to nail them for it.
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:50 PM
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15. Actually, I think that larger numbers make fraud easier.
As to winning, I don't see how they could win more than this time.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:59 PM
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17. How about a little poetry "lesson" for our fatalistic friend
THIS ELECTION AIN'T OVER.
THE VOTE COUNTING'S JUST STARTED.
OUR SIDE'S REAL PISSED
'CAUSE THEIR SIDE JUST FARTED.
SO LET'S ALL PULL TOGETHER
AND EXPOSE THIS COUP.
WE'LL HANG THEIR ELEPHANT
BEFORE THIS ASS IS THROUGH.

Give up and stop voting. How absurd is that? When did pouting ever get you anywhere with the dastardly, the distracted and the disinterested? As for this yellow dog, I only have two speeds. And neither one is reverse.

Peace, out.
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Pepper32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:59 PM
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18. What next time? Are you kidding? Democracy is dying fast n/t
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ewulf Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:14 PM
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20. I hate nonvoters, I've done everything I could to slap sense into people
who say thing like "my vote doesn't count." That said, if we don't get this shit fixed, if we don't get things to the point where we could expect that even votes that might give a Dem a majority will be counted, even if the election is close, then maybe your right.

But just quietly not voting won't do anything. You might as well vote and and maybe it will count for something, at least in local elections or primaries (maybe). If your not going to vote, it should be part of an organized, visible protest, in the mold of election strikes in other countries were the opposition has no faith that elections will be fair.
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:18 PM
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21. Who said quietly!!!
Hell no! It just seems to me that we're about to reach a point where not spreading our own cheeks could be considered. Campaigning against voting Diebold seems to me kinda different than taking double dose of Xanax on election day. No?
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