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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:06 AM
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ASK GEORGE "WHAT HAPPENS IF KERRY WINS THE OHIO RECOUNT"'
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 12:17 AM by Karenca
Updated: 11:20 PM EST
Ohio Recount Resembles Florida in 2000

CINCINNATI (Dec. 15) - In a scene reminiscent of Florida circa 2000, two teams of Republican and Democratic election workers held punch-card ballots up to the light Wednesday and whispered back and forth as they tried to divine the voters' intent from a few hanging chads.


NOW THIS IS THE INTERESTING PART---THERE'S THIS "ASK GEORGE: VIDEO SCREEN:


"What If John Kerry Wins Ohio Recount?"


IT'S A VIDEO AND EXPLAINS WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF KERRY WINS THE RECOUNT---I CANT GET SOUND ON MY COMPUTER, JUST GET THIS GUY GEORGE, AND I CAN'T READ HIS LIPS...HERE'S THE LINK TO THIS ARTICLE AND THE "ASK GEORGE"
http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/elections/article.adp?id=20041215155709990007&cid=946


Observers for the presidential campaigns of John Kerry, President Bush and Green Party candidate David Cobb kept watch from chairs a few feet away.
The scene is being repeated statewide this week in a recount in the state that put Bush over the top in the election last month.
Officially, Bush beat Kerry by 119,000 votes in Ohio, but two third-party candidates collected the required 113,600 for a recount they claim will show serious irregularities. The Kerry campaign is supporting the recount, though it has acknowledged it will not change the outcome.
The recounts began this week. At least 35 of Ohio's 88 counties had completed their recounts or were starting Wednesday, according to a survey by The Associated Press. Some of the tallies will not be complete until next week.
"It takes a lot of work, a lot of hours," said Kerry campaign observer Jeannette Harrison, 63, a real estate agent. "This is a job that has to be done."

In Cincinnati, the Hamilton County workers grimaced in concentration as they examined the ballot holes up close - a scene that called to mind the five weeks of recounts in Florida that made the terms "pregnant chad" and "butterfly ballot" famous.
Statewide, about 92,000 ballots cast in last month's presidential election failed to record a vote for president, most of them on punch-card systems.
Hamilton County workers wrote their results on tally sheets as they counted ballots from 30 precincts randomly selected from the county's 1,013 - a total of about 13,000 of 433,000 ballots cast in November in the county.
Under Ohio law, workers must hand-count 3 percent of ballots. If the results match the certified results exactly, all other ballots can be recounted by machine. If the totals are off, all ballots must be counted by hand, adding days or weeks to the process.
Also Wednesday, Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., a senior Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, urged the FBI to investigate possible election tampering in Hocking County involving an employee of TRIAD Governmental Systems Inc., the company that wrote the voting software used in 41 of Ohio's 88 counties.
According to a sworn statement from Sherole Eaton, the county's deputy director of elections, a TRIAD representative told her on Friday he wanted to inspect the county's tabulating machine. She said the employee then told her that "the battery in the computer was dead and that the stored information was gone."
"He proceeded to take the computer apart and call his office to get information to input into our computer," Eaton said.

Conyers said similar TRIAD visits have been reported in other Ohio counties.
Brett Rapp, president of Xenia, Ohio-based TRIAD, said it's standard procedure to prepare the machines for a recount so they only tally the presidential race. He said company representatives have worked on computers in every county that uses TRIAD software.

The only difference in Hocking was that when the TRIAD employee arrived, the computer's hard drive had to be repaired, he said. No vote tabulations were lost, he said.
"He had to fix the computer in order to continue the recount process," Rapp said, adding that he welcomes an investigation because his employees did nothing wrong.
In a separate action, a federal judge in Akron on Tuesday rejected a lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union alleging the punch-card voting system is error-prone and ballots are more likely to go uncounted than votes cast in other ways.
The ACLU also claimed Ohio violated the voting rights of blacks, a large number of whom live in punch-card counties.
However, U.S. District Judge David D. Dowd Jr. disagreed, saying, "No one is denied the opportunity to cast a valid vote because of their race." The Rev. Jesse Jackson and the Massachusetts-based Alliance for Democracy are backing a request on behalf of 40 voters asking the Ohio Supreme Court to reconsider the election results, accusing the Bush campaign of "high-tech vote stealing."
Jackson said activists noticed Bush generally received more votes in counties that use optical-scan voting machines, raising suspicions that the machines were calibrated to record votes for the president.
The activists also claim there were disparities in vote totals for Democrats, too few voting machines in Democratic-leaning precincts and organized campaigns directing voters to the wrong polling place.

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Associated Press Writer Malia Rulon contributed to this report from Washington.

12/15/04 22:48 EST




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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:11 AM
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1. grr can someone please give us a summary of what George has to say
i can't watch it without an AOL account. wtf
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:15 AM
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2. WISH I COULD...I CAN GET THE VIDEO GOING, BUT MY SOUND'S
BEEN OUT FOR A FEW WEEKS NOW.

FRUSTRATED!!
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LearnedHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:17 AM
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6. Please turn off your caps lock
My ears are ringing.
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Timebound Donating Member (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:15 AM
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3. Yeah, I wanna know too. n/t
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mary195149 Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:17 AM
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7. George says there is no chance
that Kerry could win with 119,000 votes down. It would be 1 in a trillion. He isn't taking in consideration all the discrepancies and assuming no fraud or malfunction of machines.
If Kerry did have more votes and since the electoral votes have already been cast, there would be lawsuits from the democrats but he still thought Bush would be president.

You didn't miss much.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:19 AM
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9. oh god
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 12:19 AM by Faye
why the hell do they phrase it like that then? they say 'WHAT IFFF KERRY WINS OHIO'.

He didn't really answer the question.
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:21 AM
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12. right--he didn't answer the ?, typical repuke answer. nt
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 12:21 AM by Karenca
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:19 AM
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10. THANKS MARY----
nope, didnt miss much.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:15 AM
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4. kick
someone watch the video and tell us what he says!
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:16 AM
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5. It's wild that they have it at all--- nt
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:18 AM
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8. What happens to ANOTHER George if Kerry wins the recount:
One word.

Pretzel.


(LOL, couldn't resist.)
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:20 AM
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11. Damn! I thought you meant "ask the Chimp!!"
Now THAT's an answer I'd love to hear!
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:26 AM
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13. George says
AOL member writes:

She's in favor of the recount. Asks if a recount proceeds, and Kerry wins, will he be sworn in? If the recount is denied how will we know who won?

Unclear. If the recount did show Kerry won, you would see a series of lawsuits that will hold up any consideration of this in the House. But at the end of the day the recount will not change anything since Kerry's down 117K votes. Chance of Kerry winning Ohio is 1 in 100 trillion. Certifying the recount probably won't succeed.

Murky Constituional territory. No chance it's going to happen (Kerry winning Ohio).

Fast, bad transcript.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:29 AM
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14. go screw, George
i don't like you on ABC and i still don't like you on aol.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:36 AM
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15. I disagree with this statement:
However, U.S. District Judge David D. Dowd Jr. disagreed, saying, "No one is denied the opportunity to cast a valid vote because of their race."

Aren't people's opportunities to vote denied due of a lack of the proper number of voting stations in heavily black democratic areas?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 08:58 AM
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19. That wasn't what the lawsuit was about
It alleged that the use of punch cards were discriminatory against African-Americans.
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:54 AM
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16. Hypocrite Repigs Will Start Talking About Popular Vote ! nt
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 08:35 AM
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17. At which point...
We not so gently remind them that that didn't seem to matter in 2000, now did it?
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 08:39 AM
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18. Osama's new tape comes out?
Oh, sorry, that's already happened!
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