Angry Buddhist author - hijacking AAR to talk about election fraud!!

[VTGold]

Author was on to talk about book he wrote on anger management - launched into stolen election.

Yippee!!

[tridim]

1. Good! I hate to say this, but I don't want Al to come back

JC is a much better host.

[hlthe2b]

17. Conason is so damned smart--- sexy voice, too, I think!

:7

[barbaraann]

24. Joe Conason is the sexiest man alive, IMHO.

:D

[BlueEyedSon]

26. I'm a heterosexual man and I agree.

[whometense]

39. hah!!

I feel the same way. love his voice. Poor Al.

[propagandafreegal]

43. Is he good looking? nm

[whometense]

58. I think he is.

Here's a picture: .

He's the guy in the middle. Judge for yourself.

;-)

[helderheid]

61. Yummmmmmmm!!

Don't tell my hubby!

[whometense]

59. I think he is

Here's a picture: .

He's the guy in the middle. Judge for yourself.

;-)

[Straight Shooter]

44. Conason has one of the sexiest voices of anyone in radio, or TV

or anywhere. :loveya:

[GoSolar]

2. He is really good!

Conason and Lanpher are not following up asking about the fraud though.

[SueZhope]

13. what did he say about the fraud? n/t

[GoSolar]

38. He basically said

that the 2000 and 2004 elections were stolen, probably thru the use of electronic voting machines. Neither journalist asked him to elaborate...

[SueZhope]

40. Thank you for sharing that n/t

[helderheid]

3. I love this guy!!!

:loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya:

[VTGold]

4. Brilliant guy - explains the sitch best I've heard!!!! n/t

[tanyev]

5. An angry Buddhist.

That's how you know things are really bad.

[helderheid]

7. I'm an angry Buddhist

NEVER GIVE UP
by
H.H. The XIV Dalai Lama

No matter what is going on
Never give up
Develop the heart
Too much energy in your country
Is spent developing the mind
Instead of the heart
Be compassionate
Not just to your friends
But to everyone
Be compassionate
Work for peace
In your heart and in the world
Work for peace
And I say again
Never give up
No matter what is going on around you
Never give up

[Kralizec]

9. I like this piece. n/t

[knowbody0]

15. wise words

[Kralizec]

6. Enlightenment Party! I like it! n/t

[DoYouEverWonder]

10. I'd quit the DEMS

to join such a party.

I'm more than ready for a different approach.

[GoSolar]

16. I would too.

He is right on.

[stellanoir]

8. FYI

He's Uma Thurman's dad and an incredibly kind & intelligent man.

[helderheid]

11. Wow!

He's fantastic and gave me a great deal of hope. I am so glad people aren't dropping this!

[Kralizec]

23. No wonder Uma Thurman rocks. n/t

[riverwalker]

12. must be Robert Thurman then

my favorite teacher. Gonna tune in....

[helderheid]

14. WOW

http://literati.net/Thurman/

I'd seen him on Link TV but didn't know he was Uma's dad! He's wonderful.

[helderheid]

18. Kick!

Tune in!!

http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen.asp

[Up2Late]

19. Another Angry Buddhist here!

I'm mad as Hell :mad:

Bush has disrupted my bliss for going on 4 years now, but I've never been one who though meditating in a cave, up in the mountains, did anyone (except one's self) any good anyway. Kind of goes against Buddha's teaching of working for to help others, but that's just my opinion :grouphug:

[helderheid]

20. I'm with ya

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

42. It looks like I'm in Excellent Company! Ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ;)

[ginnyinWI]

21. your thread title sounds like you are against this guy n/t

[VTGold]

22. Mine does? No way - It made my day.

[TrustingDog]

25. i haven't listened to Al since he had Kitty Kelly on...

a few weeks ago.
He wouldn't let her say anything but went into some sloooooooow rambling story about him and Babs bushy.

[iconoclastNYC]

29. Amen....he's rambles on and on and annoying...

He just keeps rehashing the same stories from his book. Dude, we've all ready your freaking book!!! Enough already. Get some new material.

I dont think he has improved one bit since the start of the show. I hope they dont pay him very much.

I was upset when i heard he inked a new deal. Late election night where they had all the different host (minus him) doing tag team on coverage was so cool. I really liked Lampher with Rachael Maddow.

[Up2Late]

27. I'm sure anyone who just heard the "Bush was my Mother..."

in a previous life comment by R.T. just now, probable have a few questions. I'll just say, to try to explain it to non-Buddhists could take several pages, and then you still might not get it.

I'll just say, it does make sense, if you take the time to read and meditate on it, but for some Buddhists, it takes years to understand that teaching.:hippie:

[Helga Scow Stern]

28. That has to do with compassion, doesn't it? Still if my mother hijacked an

election, I would not want to let her get away with it!

[Up2Late]

31. LOL, yes that's right

It's like the "Love thyn Enemy" that Jesus taught. It also has to do with the reincarnation, Samsara teaching. (Samsara, is the cycle of suffering, nice eh):smoke:

[helderheid]

30. yes

but what an important lesson!!!

[stellanoir]

32. okay

let's see if I can simplify. . .

If another arouses one's strong emotions, be they positive or negative, they arouse a nurturing impulse that compels one to influence, change, or guide another. If one believes in karma, then it might just fuse one to another karmically. We may have gained wisdom in another life by witnessing and being effected by the foibles of one similar to *, is sort of the theory. That's why we're no compelled to correct that sort of behavior now.

When I see all the innumerable hate filled threads against *, and believe me I've been in agreement with and participated in many of them, I've spiritually sensed that we're only energetically empowering his misguided leadership even further.

If one is cognizant that * is spiritually ignorant, one's compassion for the fact that he operates on a very simplistic plane and is in dire need of enlightenment regarding the grander scheme of things (eg "who cares about my legacy, we'll all be dead.") then perhaps a position of reticent neutrality and adherance to the truth might be more effective.

When I have the most trouble adopting a position of neutrality is when I think of all the suffering and death he's caused, to say nothing about how he's trashed our democracy, economy, environment, and our global status and perhaps our future irrevocably.

It's a struggle but is perhaps worth consideration of what our ranting actually does for *.

[helderheid]

33. beautifully put.

I posted something similar on my blog recently:

"I have learned that the most powerful emotion is that of being overwhelmed. I am in a state of bliss when I am overwhelmed with love. I realize now that any situation that brings about a feeling of being overwhelmed, is one where my love is overwhelming me. When I see the pictures of Iraqi children with limbs missing and blood dried onto their bodies, I am overwhelmed. It could be taken at face value as sadness, but I realize it goes beyond that. It's this overwhelming love I have for this one that could be my own that is tearing me apart.

In this tragic horrid reality...

How beautiful it is to be overwhelmed with love for humanity itself.

We are one. As soon as we realize this - as soon as we drop dehuminizing one another - as soon as we connect - we are again whole.

Don't doubt for a second my love for humanity."

Course, I'd had a few glasses of wine at the time. :)

[stellanoir]

36. in vino veritas

LOL. Beautifully put as well, "overwhelmed with love" for all of humanity is what lies beneath the outrage, if one can get to it. But the Ojai person explained it far more cohesively than I with one word. . . "compassion."

It's like when they came up with that disingenuous nomenclature of "compassionate conservativism" in the spring of '00. My head started to spin, knowing full well that compassion is not something to which frugality could ever truly apply.

[helderheid]

37. ain't that the truth!

First time I heard "compassionate conservative" I thought Orwell. I've been thinking Orwell quite a bit these last 4 years.

[VTGold]

34. Sort of like...if we push back against his negativity with equal or..

...greater force we will only trigger a greater response and perpetuate and even worsen the situation?

If so - that makes perfect sense to me.

Thanks - that helps me - I've been tied in knots with anger and hate, I must say...

[helderheid]

35. ironically

our coming together in love and compassion for all humanity is exactly what "they" don't want us to do - divide and conquer.

[renate]

46. I don't know as much as I'd like about Buddhism

so I could be wrong, but I think it's perfectly okay to stand up for ourselves and to respond to attacks forcefully. If the response is careful and controlled, it wouldn't necessarily create more negativity--done well, it would defuse a situation. We certainly don't have to just stand there getting slapped again and again and again. I don't think that "turn the other cheek," in any religion, is meant literally--that would be stupid. It must be a mistranslation of "just walk away, for Pete's sake."

But I think that Buddhists (and other folks too, of course) would suggest that we not hate the person who's attacking us. We should just see them as someone who is miserable and suffering in their anger and racking up a huge karmic debt, and feel compassion for them while, again, defending ourselves against their attacks.

A bumper sticker I saw a while ago absolutely changed my life: it said "Mean People Are Suffering." It really helped me look at these folks a little more gently. I don't like them, and in my weaker moments I hate them, but I see them a little differently now. I hate their actions just as much as ever, however.

[helderheid]

47. Wow

I want that bumper sticker.

I think your analysis is a great one.

[seabeyond]

48. you can do it in love, it is simply not giving your power away

like i dont want anothers power, i dont ask for it, you cant have mine either.

standing up for self isnt wrong.

it is the doing it in ego that contaminates the process

[nuut]

49. Thanks, renate!

for your helpful post here! I agree.

[housewolf]

60. Love... Compassion... Buddhism

Please pardon me if I am intruding here.... I am pretty new here but your post triggered something.

I don't know a whole lot about Buddhism either, but I think one of their main tenets is the virtue of non-attacment. It seems to me that hate can only exist in a state of attachment, where one is holding on to something being judged. Hate must take root and be nurtured. If you live in a state of non-attachment, how could hate exist?

[helderheid]

63. You know more than you think

That's why it's so important not to be dedicated to a specific outcome. Striving for a goal is fine but being attached to an outcome leads to pain. I'm not saying this right but I think you guys probably know what I'm saying (and not like I'm any expert!!).

[Up2Late]

68. You are Right, but hate exist

Because we are all Human, with human emotions, and we all start off imperfect.

But it's been so long since I was imperfect that it's hard to remember DAMN IT! :grr: Just Kidding:hi:

My goal is paper back-ups for the Diebold AccuVote TS so that next time I have to wait 3 hours in the rain to vote in future elections, I'll think it was worth it, unlike in Georgia 2002 & 2004 elections, when Diebold threw out my vote. :argh:

[Up2Late]

45. Wow, you're even confusing me

A few things to remember about * and people like him.

1) being angry and full of Hate for *, only hurts you personally, he doesn't feel your hate, or know, you personally hate him.

2) He's not obsessing or thinking about the hate you feel for him, or letting it affect his day.

3) Deep and reasoned thought can not occur at the same time as hate and anger. Best to use that energy to think of a way to change the reason or thing your angry at or about.

4) He IS the Anti-Christ, sent to destroy the world, reek havoc, and bring about the final Apocalypse, so he's just doing what he was sent here to do. :grr: :evilgrin:

No, but seriously, I don't think he's permanently ruined our relations around the world, It's just a matter of how many YEARS is it going to take to repair relations, and a nice, large, WAR CRIMES trial would help, too.:think:

[Ladyhawk]

73. How do you stop hating someone who has destroyed so much?

His presidency has affected me on a personal level. I'm very, very angry and I feel I have a right to be. Maybe this borders on hatred. I don't know.

I don't have a lot of love or respect for Homo sapiens just now. I sometimes wonder if we deserve to become extinct.

[Peace Patriot]

50. It occurred to me that Bush serves a function...

During the election campaign, it occurred to me that Bush was serving the function of stirring up sleepy people who had never thought much about their Consitutional rights, or U.S. war policy, or corporate control of the US goverment and the news media--people for whom Hitler and Nazism were quite distant, unreal things (already conquered)--and, say, people who hadn't thought much about our once magnificent educational system, an educational system that produced the people who put men on the moon, and the leadership to envision it.

In recognizing Bush as an illiterate, a seeming idiot, a faker, a "know-nothing," people identified intelligence, reason and enlightenment as values to be defended. With the Iraq prison torture scandal, they learned about the Geneva Convention, or learned to value it more. In the awful doings in Guantanamo Bay, they learned what their own rights are supposed to be, and that all prisoners are human beings. In judging Bush's war in Iraq, they were forced to see how war happens, the lies that are told, in a most naked way--and came to reaffirm the value (learned in Vietnam) of temperate and defense-only use of military power.

People have been quoting Jefferson and Madison, and Martin Luther King, and Gandhi--seeking to recover definitions of their rights, and the best principles of previous democracy struggles.

Bush, or I should say, Bush Inc., has so severely assaulted everything good about America--the rule of law, the sharing of the wealth, the care for the common good, the distrust of "leader worship," the multi-culturalism, the attempts to achieve fairness for black citizens, etc.--that he/it forces people to define what they believe in, and who they are.

Even with regard to 9/11, people began to see--for instance, in Bush Inc.'s resistance to any investigation, or in the Bush connections to the Saudis and Osama bin Laden--how US policy, oil company interests, past history in the Middle East, the CIA war in Afghanistan, etc., all influenced that event, and brought it about.

What was so great about this "enlightenment in reaction to Bush" was that it was helping people to seriously question where American society is heading. Many began to see how bad corporate control of journalism is; how greedy and false-faced our US-based businesses have become; the injustice of the rich/poor divide that has developed, and the evils of militarism, aggression and domination.

I thought this all the way up to the Election--it seemed to be a miracle of enlightenment happening all over the country--and it may still be true.

But that awakening of ordinary citizens, and also the magnificent cooperation that sprang up among all grass roots groups and the Democratic Party leadership, with the common purpose of ousting Bush Inc.--has suffered a severe blow with the theft of the election.

Or, rather, it is faced with a new, much darker, much more menacing, more formidable enemy: the illusion (and self-delusion) that everything is okay.

Liberals are trying to "learn the lessons" of the Bush win, even though that win was wholly fraudulent. To them, this is being "okay"--you lose, you recover, you learn the lesson that you have to become yet more rightwing, and rise to fight again (for what?). Or you "learn the lesson" that your "message" hasn't been "packaged" effectively.

Conservatives crow that they are the majority, and tout their win as justification for clobbering the liberal half of the country with dreadful new policies.

But it's all based on the illusion (and self-delusion) that the election was fair. Only a few know that it wasn't, and they are blocked from puncturing that illusion--by Republicans and their media (self interest) and by Democrats (committing suicide).

Can the new enlightenment face and overcome this monster, this Matrix-like fake world?

What a test! What an amazing test of our spirits and our beliefs!

Great heroes will come out of this--they are already emerging--and great hope for the future of humankind and for the world. That is my prediction. Being at the vortex of greed and heartlessness--the cold center of this "Matrix" of illusion--the U.S. seems a very dismal place, indeed, on the surface. But ideas of justice and fairness have been stirred up, by the very entity (Bush Inc.) that we struggle against. And harmful, mass illusions such as they have created cannot last.

The heroes--and I include as first on that list the collective hero of American democracy, our common consciousness as a people--are poking holes in the veil. It takes tremendous individual courage, but it is a collective act. There is a synchronicity of thought happening--in both our great ideas, and in our downer moments. We will rip that evil veil of illusion away, bit by bit, until it is in shreds and merely wafts away.

Then we will have to deal with the reality--a broken, spinning out of control government, and a country in shock--but it will be for the best. Real things can be fixed. People can be helped. Compassion and creativity, the underpinnings of life, will win out. It is illusion that is the enemy, and it is a very frightening enemy, indeed.

[helderheid]

51. Thank you thank you thank you

Peace Patriot. Thank you.

This has occurred to me as well. Bush has been the catalyst for many waking up. That is quite a role. Thank you again for this. :grouphug:

[bush_is_wacko]

53. Very interesting

I consider myself a Christian, but many people have told me my religous beleifs are closer to Buddhist. Honestly, I just beleive that any guidance by ANY religous leader or spiritual force that makes you a better person for the good of humanity is a gift from God. I align myself w/ Christianity more by way of inheritence, I geuss. I don't actively seek church anymore though, I've found several of them do not comfort me anymore. These words do touch me and ring a bell in me. I do beleive Hitler had a purpose and the world did unite to make life better for a while. Anyone think Hitler and * have so much in commen they may be one and the same at least as far as lessons go? Are we to be the nation crying out for help? Who do you think will come to our rescue? We this Nation have the wherewithall to stand up to this corruption?

[helderheid]

54. I relate

I was raised Quaker but found I am at home in Zen Buddhism. :)

I wonder too if anyone will help us. I am so grateful for the internet and we're able to reach out to the world to let them know what has happened here. We live in interesting times.

[deacon2]

55. Yes, just Maya

Greetings one and all,

First time posting. What a lovely summation, Peace Patriot. All this "soul searching" in the party strikes me as so much illusion as well. I don't accept the argument that we lost - not at all- and that we somehow need to "reform" ourselves. We have always been a motley crew, the island of misfit toys really, as a political party. And may it always be so. I quite agree that the real challenge is to see the "purpose" of this horrible administration. Why is it allowed to stand when it so richly deserves to fall? I think the answer to this will tear down the wall of illusion and then we can truly move on.

Thanks for the great insights.

[newyawker99]

67. Hi deacon2!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Clark2008]

71. OK... as the voice of someone who

A.) Understands the Buddhist philosophy on past lives and Nirvana, but;
B.) Lives in a red state...

Let me be a wet blanket for a moment.

I "get it," but some of the moderates and independents who we need to reach out to aren't.

Couldn't he just leave this out so we can get some news out to the sheeple without them thinking Dems are a bunch of (their word, not mine) "weirdos." I mean, for someone to say that Bush was their mother in a past life isn't going to fly too well in the Heartland. I know it will be snorted off by the fundies, but I'm talking about the middle-of-the-roaders who don't buy into UFOs, Bigfoot or Armageddon, either.

You understand the point I'm trying to make here, I hope.

[helderheid]

72. I understand

I live in Utah. Still, there is great wisdom in realizing as humans, we are all capable of dehumanizing and it's the dehumanizing that is our downfall. I am sure * and co do not humanize the troops in Iraq dying, nor do they humanize the Iraqi's who are also dying (and in greater numbers). Our downfall is dehumanizing * and co. It robbs us of our very soul and our power. With compassion and recognition of all people being from goodness, we gain our strength. No ONE wants unfair elections. No ONE wants their neighbor to die. No ONE can tolerate cruelty when they witness it. It's the mass idea that "THEY" are evil and "THEY" will harm us and "THEY" aren't like "US" that kills us, and that includes the left demonizing the right.

God I hope that made sense.

[electropop]

41. Hmm, sounds like poor anger management to me...

;-) But that's OK, sometimes anger is _healthy_.

[AntiFascist]

52. Cool...

we need more "hijackings" and deserters.

[Smirking_Chimp]

56. I'm an angry, but mostly happy Buddhist.

[helderheid]

57. Namaste!

:)

[housewolf]

62. Is this archived anywhere? n/t

[helderheid]

64. It will be here

http://www.airamericaplace.com/archive.php?mode=show&id=5

but it says the audio was bad and will be re-recorded. This is the place to get ALL Air America show archives, by the way

[housewolf]

65. Thank you!

I didn't know that site existed! It makes me happy - now I can listen to some of what I miss every day!

[helderheid]

66. One more kick

before I turn in...

Still nothing here

http://www.airamericaplace.com/archive.php?mode=display&id=1004

but expect it soon.

[helderheid]

69. It's up!

http://www.airamericaplace.com/archive.php?mode=display&id=1004

[GetTheRightVote]

70. thank you for the link,looking into it

[helderheid]

74. kick