WHAT IS GOING ON HERE!

[jsamuel]

We are all so livid we can't STAND IT!!!

Those of us who know that the election was fraudulent can't stand that no one is doing anything and hate even more that no one seems to care. :puke:

Those of us who have seen no proof of fraud just don't want to start to care about something we don't believe in. After all, we believed that Kerry could be president and we were let down. :-(

We are all tired, we are angry, and we don't feel very good about the direction of this country, and therefore the world. :hangover:


Don't let our difference of knowledge and our emotions tear us apart. :spank: Also, don't give up on what you believe in until you know for a fact that you are wrong.

:grouphug:
Love you all,
jsamuel

[Woo]

1. Gotta think...

The frustration about this whole thing is starting to catch up with everyone... it seems to have hit its peak(or maybe not) in the last couple of days -- I was really grumpy a couple of days ago... not one of my usual characteristics, I was jumping on anything that looked like a waste of time or that seemed to be going nowhere.

I just hope this all comes out to a satisfactory end for us --

But at least I'm better off than a former DUer who I know personally --

She doesn't come on here anymore -- questions God... swears she will never vote again .. and is currently in therapy -- this election, especially since it was stolen and it seems as no one cares --has screwed up a lot of us -- you just have to take a break from these boards or at least take a deep breath. I've spent a lot of time writing out several indignant post to do nothing but hitting the back button and canceling it all.

[jsamuel]

2. HUG

:hug:

[Verve]

15. Woo, Let her know she has a place to come back to when she's ready! n/t

[BamaBecky]

3. Just a hunch? Imposter's might be the criminal programmers? Anybody?

The folks sending us all on wild goose chases, could they be the criminal hackers that committed the "election fraud"?

[Razorback_Democrat]

4. Doubtful

but who knows

it seems like it would be a waste of time

I suspect that if there are "disinformation providers" here, that they are just zealots that are fighting for the "cause" they believe in.

but like I said, who knows?

[mattclearing]

5. Hello? The Triad affidavit? The obstruction? Blackwell's lockdown?

These are all proof of election fraud.

Don't let the trolls get you down. We have come a long way, and I expect that by the time the electoral college votes, we will be able to get a good number of people on the Mall. It is winter break, after all.

Don't know if we can save the presidency, but we are certainly going to try. I think people are doing all that they can. That is the best we can hope for.

We broke the MSM lockdown, though, so we can probably do anything.

Relax. It's going to be okay.

[17yroldtwins]

12. I really needed to read your post tasteblind, thanks. n/t

[mattclearing]

18. Anytime.

People need to keep it together.

[siddharta]

34. Yup Yup Yup

:thumbsup:

Maybe it's because no MSM watching, but I am amazed at
how defeatist thinking some of our own are.

The trolls you can spot purty quick? I'm new around here
though...

[mattclearing]

35. They reveal themselves eventually.

eom

[IAMREALITY]

6. Jsamuel, It's All Good

I know it gets frustrating, and there will always be those on the boards who have a forum like 'racism' against others, as in they are blinded by ignorance and lash out regardless of reason, but I've come to know DU as a place full of wonderful and strong people who are far better then letting those that choose to slander and disrupt bring them down.

I respect your position Jsamuel, and speaking for myself will NEVER give up this cause, until the wrongs are righted.

Love ya back, and all my DU brothers and sisters, and a group hug right back at ya!

:grouphug:

[jdog]

7. Thanks Jsamuel.

I'm on the roller coaster til the end of the ride myself.

[tngledwebb]

8. This battle may not end soon.

MSM and much of Govt is complicit, or we would have overturned the last stolen election, or two.
We have our work cut out for us, but never forget the MAJORITY voted for our side, and against BushCo. Just like in 2000.

[Helga Scow Stern]

9. Thank you, jsamuel, and thanks for redhandsmovement.com.

I was thinking that one of the reasons I spend so much time on DU is because I don't want the reality that the election was stolen snatched away by the massive campaign of disinformation that is going on. After 2000 the reality of what had happened settled over me like a funk and this time I want to be able to do something about it. I don't want to just settle into a feeling of vast helplessness in the face of this great evil.

Fear and denial come up a lot in the face of evil or great difficulty or massive change. I have noticed the same kind of denial around when someone is dying, for instance. People go nuts, start attacking, accusing, etc. It is good for us to remind each other that we are feeling intense emotions and that we essentially all care about the same thing--the truth and our democracy.

Thanks.

:grouphug:

[lonestarnot]

10. CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS!

Conyer prepared to challenge election Jan 6, 2005. Be there with your coat and pitchfork! Citizens with pitchforks!

[HeeBGBz]

13. That's funny and would be quite a statement

[HeeBGBz]

11. If nothing else good happens

This election catastrophe has snapped me out of the hypnogogic state I was in.
I'm awake and I'm watching and I'm pissed off.

[Verve]

14. Thanks Samuel! We needed that! n/t

[k8conant]

16. I keep wondering when I'll wake up from this nightmare...

I spent six years litigating against the Office of Personnel Management before I got my retirement. It is a horrible thing to try to get restitution and justice when you're right and have proof that you're right and then have to fight and fight and fight against the powers that be until finally you find a court that sees things right.

My fear in this case is that there's no way to get back the stolen and ruined time if Bush is sworn in on January 20th.

[McCamy Taylor]

17. I saw this one coming before the election, so the worst is over for me...

...now im just enjoying watching the GOP twist and squirm on the rope which the greedy capitalists sold.

[Jo March]

19. jsamuel, thank you for your beautiful post

I gave someone some advice yesterday which may help others:

Post in your state forum. It's smaller and a little less, um, angry. Stay away from GD and GDP for a little while until things settle down. I also suggested going to the John Kerry forum if you don't like the sometimes intense conversations that his name creates.

This is my "home on the web" and I will not give up on it or abandon it. It has helped me to find others in my state who feel like me at a time when I thought it was just me and my husband in this red state hell.

A :toast: to all who are here and fighting the good fight.
A :bounce: to the number of members that we have.
And :grouphug: to everyone here.

We have a tremendous voice and we need to use it!!

[Nederland]

20. This is what's going on:

A very small group of people are in denial about the election.

Clear enough?

[Helga Scow Stern]

27. You mean the ones here who still can't bear to face that it was stolen? nt

[Nederland]

33. As John Stewart would say: Not exactly

[SammyWinstonJack]

36. Honestly, who doesn't believe the election was stolen?

Because some here( myself included) are disappointed in Kerry's concession to the Evil Chimp, means we are in denial of election fraud and "can't bare to face that it was stolen"? That's a stretch. I want the Democratic Party and Kerry to prevail more than anything. However, I don't trust bushco* and I am fully aware of the lengths they will go to in order to maintain their power,(9/11) so I don't think they will allow Kerry to take his rightful place in history as President. They can't, they've done so many things that would place entire evil bunch and then some, in prison for life. Besides they're not yet done raiding the cookie jar and haven't achieved their plan for U.S. World wide domination. Oh how I hope to be wrong!

[Vidar]

21. Great message. DU has become my one ray of hope in the last 7 weeks.

My personal life is desperate, but so is that of the nation as a whole. Almost all of us are feeling that, leading to despair, frustration and unfortunately divisiveness. Thank you to everyone here. We are fighting & having some effect. There is no victory in sight, but there can never be one if we give up.

[errorbells]

22. jsamuel

I will never give up!

It is impossible for me to even talk to some family members (briefly), friends (not yet)....because they are Republicans.
I love them.

They know what I think (e fraud) and they know I understand
more about some things than they do...so perhaps
they will be more open to fraud in this election
if some proofs or at the very least
doubts are made more public....
OR it happens to them.

We may feel at times like we are living in the Soviet Ukraine
or the Ukraine...

I sent A very nice gift to fam for holidays
and still love them all...but do not want to talk with them.

When I read people like you speak for me, I am lifted up.
This will be a good day.

Thank you, dear one.

[s-cubed]

23. I just stuck my neck out with my *ie family, and offered to send them

the informative e-mail I've been sending out to everyone I can. Much to my surprise, they encouraged me to post it on our family web site. We'll see.
Also, just had a conversation with an FBI agent, and he wanted the e-mail,
Believe and hope!

[IndyPriest]

24. Scubed: post it here. It might be useful to everyone! n/t

[s-cubed]

25. It's pretty long, but I guess there have been other long posts.

I'll check the rules and see if I should start a separate thread.

[s-cubed]

26. I posted it in a new thread: My Christmas letter about election fraud to

my *ie family:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=172171&mesg_id=172171

[RaulVB]

28. Nothing!

That is what's going on!

I personally KNOW what happened on November 2nd, but IF NOT A SINGlE DEMOCRATIC SENATOR SPEAKS UP...

I hope you would pray for the future of this nation...

[info being]

29. I think Americans have learned...

to change the things they can, and accept the things they can't. They've learned over the years that, unfortunately, if something is the will of both Parties and the media and all of the powers-that-be, there is little that can really be done to fight it.

[RaulVB]

30. The thing is...

that the future for the regular American is threatened to a degree never seen before...

[Helga Scow Stern]

31. That is so true. n/t

[patomime]

32. don't give up.... don't ever give up....

most of the important facts in our history have come from hunches, and suspicions - which I have held for quite awhile about this election. The fact that others want to discourage "free thinking" shows that our society in general is lacking.

What if Benjamin Franklin had given up when he had a hunch about static electricity - and had never completed his experiments. We might still be sitting in the dark and cold and heat today.

The same applies for today. I do want facts, figures and statistics to back everything up that I think about the election. Some of it exists, some doesn't - it's just that simple. Voter suppression cannot be proven by hard facts, just voters coming forward --- as they have done. (The fact that only democrats seem to get suppressed should clue us in).

Patience, time and hard work by democrats and progressives is what we need. People will always be there to discourage - that's the way it's always been. That's why forums for thought and ideas like these are important --- so we can all talk and inform and enlighten. The truth will come out - the more we stand together with each other. :kick: :kick: :pals: