ARNEBECK Says May Refile As Early As Today 12/17 AP

[EMunster]

sorry if dupe...

A lawyer for the voters bringing the case said he would refile the challenge, possibly today.

(snip)
gets in a gracious dig...

Arnebeck said that while he thinks he is permitted to contest two elections with a common set of facts, "we're going to go with the flow."

Filing the challenge again today would depend on gathering the voters' signatures again, he said.

Link:
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/12/17/ohio_judge_rejects_vote_tally_challenge/

[Straight Shooter]

1. Arnebeck knew the chances were good the original suit would be dismissed

It's quite probable he already had the alternative pleadings ready and waiting. I do kind of wish he would wait until Monday, because Friday is "dead media day."

I like to call him "Mr. Unflappable." :)

[Jo March]

3. Well, it gives ME all weekend to send a flurry of emails

to the press, national and international, and elected officials.

I don't allow them to forget. :)

[mary195149]

4. More important to get filed immediately.

Time is running out and don't want to miss any deadlines at this stage of the game.

[Straight Shooter]

6. More important to get filed accurately.

Mr. Arnebeck knows exactly what he's doing.

[Jo March]

2. Go Arnebeck! You are SO the man!!!! nt

[IndyPriest]

5. So, who's going to play Arnebeck in the movie?

We need an actor who can do "diamond-tipped drill bit" REALLY well.

[pgh_dem]

how bout that guy

who plays Jack Bristow in Alias?

[SharonRB]

14. Jack Garber, I think is his name

[Straight Shooter]

7. William Hurt

edit: Older photo, but Hurt's the one :)

[Qutzupalotl]

9. The boss from News Radio

if he lost some weight.

[EMunster]

15. John Turturro

[Darkhawk32]

8. My thoughts on Arnebeck's tactics....

I think it was clever of him to file a contest of the CJ race AND the Presidential race. My reasoning (although distorted a bit from sleep deprivation).......

If the Chief Justice dismissed the suit WITH prejudice than people would've looked at him going... "Ummmm, dismissed because YOU were involved eh?"

If the Chief Justice accepted the suit, then people would've looked at him going... "Well he did that because he didn't want anybody looking at him for bias."

Arnebeck put the Chief Justice in a tough position (which is good, IMVHO). I believe this is going to plan now. When Arnebeck refiles the suit, if the Chief Justice THEN dismisses with prejudice, then people will go.. "Hey, you could've dismissed the suit before, why didn't you? Oh I see, protecting yourself."

The Chief Justice has, I feel, no political recourse of then letting the Contest of Election go through.


What do you think?

[KaliTracy]

18. that was discussed in length

here http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=169811&mesg_id=169811 GOOD THREAD

[Doctor O]

10. If the Chief Justice does not opt to hear the first

case, the second case will not be heard either. I still question Arnebeck's motives and timing. I am not sure whether he has the best interest of Ohio or the election in mind, or if he is a glory seeker.
If he files the same complaint in two separate suits, he is weakening the case. Any judge is also going to review the results of the recounts before taking a position.

Based on Arnebeck's timing, the suit will have no bearing because the clock will run out before Jan 6th. It is my feeling that Arnebeck should have filed earlier. I am concerned that he filed on the last date because he has no concrete evidence, just statistics and this looks funny. If he had concrete evidence he could filed and gotten the TRO before the electoral college voted. This would have made much More sense and increased the viability of the case being expedited.

But look how much press Arnebeck is getting now. He can't let the case go because he jeopardized his own standing by saying that they had concrete evidence. Discovery will take months and by that time, it will be too late.

[New Earth]

11. i appreciate your doomsday speech

but no thanks.

[Viktor Runeberg]

17. Glory, glory

In my reading of history, there's very little glory granted those who lose battles. On the other hand, the prospect of glory has motivated not a few to win battles. All those statues of guys on horses weren't put there so much to honor them as to motivate the next generation of, well, glory seekers. Again, we grant glory because it motivates people to do occassionally difficult and heroic things. If someone's even considering being heroic, and glory doesn't occur to him or her, we've failed as a culture. It's what glory's for.

[hootinholler]

12. Wouldn't it be interesting if the 2 cases are heard by different...

Judges and they return different rulings?

These are essentially the same case right?

Does anyone have a pointer to the actual petition filed?

-Hoot

[jsascj]

13. If he can refile TODAY...

This had to be his plan all along and he already had everything ready to go!

Smart feller!

[Firespirit]

16. Can I assume that he's added the BIG stuff?

All his statistical evidence is good--it's smoke, if you will--but the judge will see it as circumstantial evidence. But if you say, "We think that these results are caused by a computer fix" AND THEN say, "and here is proof that the computers were tampered with," well, things are looking different.

I know the Diebold tampering is included in the suit. He should have the Triad tampering as well. I hope this guy is in contact with Conyers' office! If there's anything to be known, his people will know it!

And unless those computers are proven to be clean, no counts conducted on them are "clean" either.

Arnebeck is no publicity hound.... I mean, he's accused people of ELECTION FRAUD and has persevered with his case. That's a pretty serious charge. If he is wrong, there goes his reputation. He must be very certain that he is right about this. One thing's for sure, he has more data than most (probably all) of us have on the subject....