AP wire "Ohio's election recount changes some vote totals"

[shiina]

Ohio's election recount changes some vote totals
Associated Press

THE TASK: Ohio's 88 counties are completing a recount of the Nov. 2 election results in response to a request by third-party presidential candidates.

THE FINDINGS: Most election boards recorded little or no change. In others, President Bush and Democrat John Kerry lost or gained votes, but not enough to change the outcome.

THE EXPLANATION: Election officials say loose chads dislodging from punch-card ballots, human error in hand-counting stacks of ballots and voter error in filling out optical-scan ballots all played a part.

http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/news/state/10442217.htm?1c

[rodeodance]

1. so far it is all human or machine error. Boring!!

[politicasista]

2. Tired of everything going Smriky's way

:puke:

[MasonJar]

3. Oh, sure. Did Blackie recuse himself? I observed some hanky

panky myself. Another Dem and I were assigned to follow the votes to the election office in downtown Cincy. We waited for 2 hours for the precinct workers to close everything down. They knew we were going to trail them downtown, especially since only the Republican was going to deliver the goods and that was after she went to her house first. When everyone exited the election site, 6 or 7 people opened trunks and put something in them and then drove around and repositioned them in other trunks. It was a total con job so that after waiting 2 hours we had no idea who to follow and the ones we asked acted totally befuddled.

[Doctor O]

4. Maybe they were exchanging

christmas Gifts.

[sabra]

12. What's your opinion on all this Dr O? If I may ask...

[bush_is_wacko]

5. Wow!

did you report this? I can't believe American's would let this crap pass! This is insane! The rethugs are realy loking like some character in a 1970-1980's movie!

[Verve]

6. I hope you reported this to Arnebeck and the Green Party!

How crooked can these people be?

[Igel]

8. I'm sorry ...

That sounds like something I would have done if I had worked at that polling place. (But then again, I have this really stupid irreverent side.)

[The Backlash Cometh]

11. Why would a poll worker do this? I would welcome an entourage.

Keep it open and transparent to the public. Always.

[Igel]

17. It might not add to credibility.

But I can't help tweaking the noses of people that suspect me of foul-play if I'm sure I didn't do anything. It's backfired a time or two.

Immature, um, sure.

[The Backlash Cometh]

18. I would imagine it would backfire.

Hope you've learned from it. :-)

[Lone_Star_Dem]

9. Foolish little games like this do nothing to further their credibility!

How in the hell do they have the nerve to wonder why people don't trust them!

Adolescent mentalities the whole lot of them.

[dogindia]

7. very complex planned fraud/suppression and cover up

Why would they just let us find the fraud in a recount. They have access to all the machines and all the ballots. They have been planning this a long time. These are not honest people. They will do anything to stay in power. And they talk about morality. It is an outrage. If someone tried to make a movie of just what we know in Ohio it would be to complicated to follow.

[insane_cratic_gal]

10. What really bothers me

92,000 undervotes.

Provisional ballots

Cuyahog county 25,309!!! ... they threw out 8,559 of those.

Franklin county of 14,462.. threw out 2,337

I'm still looking at the data both those counties favored Kerry.

Total cast. 153,539 // total counted: 118,734 // total thrown out 34,805


add the ones thrown out if they were all indeed for Kerry: 126,805

automatic hand recount

[bemis12]

14. Each of those was already counted.

Examined by hand by people from both parties. They just didn't have legal votes on them.

[rerdavies]

15. Rejected provisionals were 85%+ for Kerry

>> add the ones thrown out if they were all indeed for Kerry: 126,805

The accepted provisionals in Cuyahoga broke about 85% for Kerry. You can safely assume that the remaining 8559 were 85% for Kerry (or better).

[newyawker99]

16. Hi rerdavies!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Blue in the face]

13. That's right

"Election officials say loose chads dislodging from punch-card ballots, human error in hand-counting stacks of ballots and voter error in filling out optical-scan ballots all played a part."


Riiiight, if a recount comes up with a different total total, then someone counted the wrong voters or people just filled out the card for Kerry when they really wanted for Bush.

I don't know what's worse, the fact that they expect to believe this shit or the fact that so many people apparently do.

[k8conant]

19. That's an awfully short blurb for AP and very short...

on details. Of course, when the machine fraud and all the count and recount and don't-let-the-vote-get-out fraud comes to light it will show what a cover-up job has been going on.

[GetTheRightVote]

20. They are only counting the precincts they have choosen rather then

a random sample, they have it all figured out in the counties of Ohio, they are sand bagging us all with the set ups that they are controlling. I helped in the recount of Ohio and they only let us look at the precincts that they choose to let us research, they did not do a random selection as they were suppose to, nor did they let us look at the polling books, absentees and provisional ballots which would have helped us with verifing totals recorded by the counties. The Director where I assisted told us in fact that he did not want to use to many machines in the recount and wanted the closes precincts that would total to the 3% needed for the recount. This was a little fishy but along with this the poll workers who were helping in the recount effort did not seem to know how to take care of any problems concerning the scanners. After working the polls on election day you would think that they would be more then a little effienct with the machines but they were not. In fact, they complained about having to even do the recount and acted like it was a total waste of time and effort not that this was a Democracy at work. In fact they were upset to the point that they kept asking if this was the last time they would have to do any recounting since it was such a waste of time and effort, a very negative additude towards a recount for sure. The Deputy Director had to keep coming over to fix the machines for them, now how would this work during election day ??

The Director and Board also told us that if the voter did not vote in two federal electons sequencely that the voter would be dropped off of the registion list. This I found to be very disheartening but along with this issue I also saw overvotes where a voter had mark a candidate but then also wrote in the same candidate but this vote was not counted even though it was obvious to all who they were voting for, it was Bush, boo, but still it was an uncounted vote. We were told that there were not many of these kinds of votes and not to worry about them anyway, I was upset at the casual way these votes were dismissed by this board. I told them perhaps I was a little extreme but if a vote was obvious why not count it, and they had no answer for me but because the machine could not read it, how many other obvious votes were not counted because a machine could not count it ?? How many voters could not vote though they had not moved because they did not vote in the last two federal elections ?? Are these not examples of voter disenfranhisement ?? After my experiences these last few weeks, I am aware I do not live in a Democracy but a dictatorship of the many officials who run these elections for us right up to the top of the Republican party because they make up the rules. Are we going to allow this to continue and put flowers on the bed of Democracy's grave or fight to bring her up from the dead ??? I hope it is as obvious to you as it has become to me that our elections are manipulated by these self serving individuals.

I am one deeply concerned American Citizen.