Janeanne says thinks Kerry was threatened with something...

[ciaobox]

to force concession.

[notadmblnd]

1. It was my first thought too

what are they blackmailing him with?

[Madison Grad]

44. What are they blackmailing him with?

I don't believe that it is blackmail.

JMO of course, but he is a bonesman.

Rumor has it that when one of the grand poobah bonesmen tells a plebe to jump, they do.

"They" made the decision that bonesman (R) was to defeat bonesman (D) and so it went.

BTW. I signed up just prior to my (FL) primary and posted on behalf of my choice ticket; Edwards /Richardson.

Once the primary season ended, I followed the instructions of the powers that be and refrained from speaking against the nominee, and went back into lurker mode.

But I fully believed it was a mistake for us to put a bonesman on our ticket. Their loyalties are to their clique, not their constituents.

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[schultzee]

65. He let us down just like Gore. We need a new party. screw the spinless

[robbedvoter]

99. Just like Gore? he fought - being attacked from left and right

Gore never had internet, media or support like Kerry did. Yet he fought.


Famous last words:
"I have no time for those crying in your teacups for stolen elections"
John Kerry, campaign trail 2003

[NewYorkerfromMass]

106. That's not the exact quote from Kerry

sorry but Kerry did not say it like that. He said: "stop crying in your teacups".

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[City Lights]

2. Well, that would be par for the course now wouldn't it?

fuckers

[sksoapfan24]

4. Who is that?

Who is this Janeane person?

[laylah]

26. 5 posts, no profile...

GO AWAY freak and let us mourn on our own...after which time we will rise like the Phoenix and KICK YOUR FACISTS BUTTS! :mad:

Jenn

[lizzieforkerry]

52. Janeane Garofalo , I think

She has a show on Air America Radio. I had 5 posts not too long ago, if you are legit, Welcome!

[snacker]

3. Just tuned in and heard that too.

What did I miss?

[demgrrrll]

10. I wonder if the Philadelphia Newspaper lawsuit that was sealed

and scheduled to be released will just magically go away now. That might be one issue but it was scheduled to come out on Monday so
they were probably prepared for that one.

[annerevere]

5. Frankly that sounds absurd

He conceded because he saw no mathematical way to win. He did the reasonable and classy thing.

When you believe you've lost, you concede.

Enough with the conspiracy theories.

[Dickie Flatt]

6. agreed

[saracat]

13. Bush wasn't classy in 2000 and

look who is Pres! Winning is all that counts!

[Swede Atlanta]

15. Anneverre....sorry

You are very naive. No, there are many votes in Florida, Ohio and other states that have yet to be counted. The repuKKKes wanted this to appear as a clean sweep for Satan and the Anti-Christ and they won because, for some reason. Kerry conceded. He was ill-advised. We don't know what would actually happen in Ohio. Poll trends may indicate he wouldn't win but does that mean we say, oh well, I guess we probably won't win so, we're sorry to have bothered you but go ahead and rape this nation and planet? That's absurd. When we, in Shrub's own words "appear weak" the other side will attack. Well what better way to appear weak than not to stand your ground until every vote it counted. He sold us down the river for something....the question is what....

[lizzieforkerry]

53. Osama said on his tape that he will attack the

deciding state. My husband heard this from a LOT of people at work today. It was part of the tape they didn't show. I think maybe he was trying to save Ohio...? Maybe...?

[hangloose]

76. This is surreal, attack the deciding state, he should have just

said Rove told me the deciding state would be Ohio so beware!!

[liberalhistorian]

17. Four years ago, I would have thought the same

thing. But we've seen just how evil and stop-at-nothing these people really are, and I frankly wouldn't put anything past them.

[Flammable Materials]

28. Classy?

Fuck classy.

Republicans didn't dominate this fucking nation by being classy.

They dominated by pinning their opponent to the ground and ripping out their fucking larynx.

Nobody wins a war by being classy. If that's how we plan to win the war against terrorism, maybe we didn't deserve to win the right to win the war against fascism.

DISCLAIMER: Author is drunk on Belgian ale. But many a truth is spoken in a state of inebriation.

[The Jacobin]

33. They dominated

by gay-baiting the homophobes all the way to the Whitehouse

[jdj]

39. no, they dominated because they own the media.

queers everywhere could bump uglies on the courthouse steps tomorrow and without the media it becomes nothing more that rumor.

[ElectroPrincess]

41. Too funny!

I don't blame you for self-medicating awhile with alcohol. If I hadn't decided to swear off the stuff, e.g., sick and tired of being sick and tired, I would have downed a VAT of Jack Daniels by now. <eg>

[LordshipLadyship]

104. meds

I'm ODing on haagen-dazs myself. :hurts:

[3trievers]

42. Stay drunk,your making sense

Must try this Belgian ale.This is the second post you have nailed.

[jdj]

38. A cold day in hell, my friend, a cold day in hell.

"One man's conspiracy is another man's business plan".

Greg Palast.

And we lost this election because of people like you, homo "head in ass" erectus.

[bhikkhu]

49. How about stand and fight?

Reasonable and classy? I'll admit to being unable to put myself in his shoes, and the scale of what has been lost is hard to grasp at the moment, but reasonable and classy is no consolation.

[CarinKaryn]

54. He didn't fight, but had no mathamatical way to win...

...unless he was able to prove fraud, which there was. I don't know why he did n't try.

[nodictators]

97. Kerry said he would fight for us

He quit before lunch on the day after the election.

He couldn't have known how many uncounted ballots there were in Ohio. He couldn't have made a decision on "mathematics."

We'll never know, either. Since he quit there will be no ballot review.

I too, thought of the possibility that Kerry and his wife were threatened. I wouldn't put it past BushCo. However, at this time there is absolutely no evidence of that. Keep an open mind and wait, maybe forever.

BTW, Gore did all he could to win. 36 days! The 5 Repub Extremes did him in. I still admire Gore. No so Kerry, unless I get new info.

[PieMaster]

7. Come on

What could he possibly be threatened with?

A deep dark secret that hasn't already come out?

Loss of DNC support at reelection time?

It's not like he needs to still be a senator, he's stinking rich already.

On edit, she might just have gone of the deep end, stay tuned to see how it plays out.

[bowens43]

11. lot's of newbies around trying to gloss over the theft

of another election

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[PieMaster]

25. funny

yeah you're funny, a regular funny ....

That's it make the new guy feel welcome.

My state went Kerry did yours?


And as you felt the need to throw some gay bashing at me.

My state didn't vote out gay marriage did yours?

[mountainvue]

31. Here ya go.

www.gregpalast.com

http://www.vindy.com/basic/news/281829446390855.php

[liberalhistorian]

21. Yes, it is

interesting, isn't it?

[laylah]

30. My thoughts exactly!

Freaking unPatriotic, America hating, religious hypocritic bastards from Hell! (may I apoligize to those that count for my "intelligent" vocabulary; however, I know you understand).

Jenn

[truth2power]

102. Yeppers!!! n/t

[Doohickie]

19. I heard they have pictures

Pictures of Kerry buying his Brooks Bros. clothes at a factory outlet! If that ever gets out, he can never show his face in public again!

[Carl Brennan]

87. According to Perot they had fabricated pictures

him and his daughters.


http://www.americanmafia.com/Feature_Articles_274.html

.........."Perot had, in fact, been leading in the polls a year earlier until he suddenly withdrew from the Presidential race. When he got back in a few months later he told 60 MINUTES that he had been blackmailed by Republican covert operatives who had fabricated "compromising photographs" of his daughter and another woman that they planned to release to disrupt his daughter’s Wedding that Summer. Perot had asked his friends in the FBI to investigate and on August 6, 1992 one Scott Barnes was photographed by the FBI offering ‘secretly recorded phone conversations of Ross Perot’ to Jim Oberwetter, the senior official in charge of George Bush’s Texas re-election campaign. According to Gerald Posner’s acclaimed biography, ‘Citizen Perot,‘ Oberwetter wouldn’t accept Barnes’ tapes, but instead suggested he take them to editors of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram newspaper, whom Oberwetter said would likely be interested since Perot had in his possession "a picture of one of their reporters in a compromising position with someone from City Hall!"
The FBI would later send a wired FBI undercover agent to once again entice Oberwetter with ‘secret tapes of Perot,’ but once again Oberwetter refused to accept them. When the FBI reported back to Perot that they could not prove the ‘Republican conspiracy’ against Perot and his daughter, Perot was furious and months later would ‘expose’ this conspiracy to the American people on 60 MINUTES. Perot came off as irrational and paranoid and lost his credibility with the American people. He would never get it back.
Scott Barnes, the man who claimed the Republicans had "compromising photographs" of Perot's daughter was a dress shop owner who in 1989 was convicted of illegally taping phone conversations. In 1997 Barnes admitted the "Republican conspiracy" against Perot was a hoax that he had concocted. ..........."

[hangloose]

75. He had a chin replacement in 1984 and was being blackmailed

[Ducks In A Row]

8. nope. it's a plan to stop the hype and when the ballots are counted

ohio will be in kerry column and he's get the prez. the freepers will be blindsided.

that speech doesn't mean anything. it just gets the spotlight off them.

and we can stay it all we want, because the media is too stupid to know what's going on.

I mean, we're just crazy liberals

[Doohickie]

12. Thank you. I said that much earlier today on several threads.

I suspect they are monitoring the counts in Ohio and Florida; if either one flips, Kerry wins. Better to do that work without a media circus.

[lizzieforkerry]

55. We said the same thing here.

I know an Ohio Kerry lawyer. I'll try and get the scoop...

[Doohickie]

74. That would be cool

Hey! My post total is gettin' up there. I wonder if I'll make 1000 before inauguration?

BTW... I still have that bottle of champagne chillin' in the fridge, and I still hope to use it.

Keep counting, boys!

[bunkerbuster1]

91. I will continue to await certified results.

And I would like to hear something, anything, about how Kerry's legal war chest is actually being allocated.

[lizzieforkerry]

96. He isn't answering his phones

I'm taking that as a good thing....

[osaMABUSh]

62. Let's pretend that could happen then we must have lawyers

still on the ground in Ohio.

[RapidCreek]

89. Yea I'm sure you guys are much more clever than the media!

Liberals that they are and all..

RC

[Catherine Vincent]

27. Now that would be a nice dream!

[Fiendish Thingy]

47. but don't you think the Bushies have thought of this...

strategy (keep counting under the radar) and would be doing everything to thwart it?

[checks-n-balances]

81. But what about the genuine sadness in Kerry's voice during the speech?

And John Edwards' anger?

[izzie]

9. I think Kerry thinks about America,

He would never do a thing to hurt this country.

[w13rd0]

14. Bush is hurting...KILLING...this country...

...with ignorance, fear and hate. To not oppose him with EVERYTHING WE'VE GOT is to hurt this country.

[FreakinDJ]

20. Unlike Bush

I might add

[Algorem]

16. heard he got a call from "the Rockefellers"

[goju]

22. Please stop

Ok, Im asking nicely? For the love of integrity, stop listening to people like her. Focus on more concrete, relevant matters and leave the tin foil in the drawer. Now is not the time to jump into a frenzied "blame everyone but ourselves" mode. We have alot to think about, lets try to keep the thinking clear and people like her dont help. Mk?

[Catherine Vincent]

24. who is Jeanne?

[OhMcNo]

32. Janeane Garafolo

...on Air America Radio, M-F 7-10pm

http://www.airamericaradio.com

[gottaB]

29. I'm not going to believe a word of it

until it's reported by Newsman Matt Drudge.

[petepillow]

34. it did have that feel of mccain's sudden * ass kissing.

just seemed way too quick easy neat clean and nice. and kerry's whole demeanor, even morning of election day when he met with the press after voting. heck even at the end of his previous night's rally. he just seemed like he was smiling while he was feeling crushed--already. i know people say to cut out the conspiracy theories, but i just wouldnt put anything past this administration.

[masshole]

35. They showed him the movie

Apparently it's not just for the President-elect anymore.

From the great Bill Hicks

http://images.indymedia.org/imc/ontario/billhickselite.mp3

[tinanator]

56. RIP Bill

How we need you now.

[smirkymonkey]

36. I mentioned that in an earlier post today.

As angry as I was at him for conceding so quickly, I just don't think it was his style to do so unless he was under duress.

Fucking Bush Bastards.

[grasswire]

37. 322

that is the answer.

[smirkymonkey]

46. What are you talking about?

[UpsideDownFlag]

57. 322 is an alleged skull and bones 'special' number...

dont see how it relates, though.

[grasswire]

90. 322...

...is the secret sign of the Skull & Bones society both Kerry and Bush belong to. And Greenspan!

There's a letter in Bush's archives from Kerry that has the 322 notation at the bottom by his name.

[Nitrogenica]

40. Maybe he was told ....

* is dying of cancer or something, and conceding would help * live out his final days as our true leader instead of dying as a lame duck.

[smirkymonkey]

Hah. If only.

[hangloose]

73. That's very touching, I'm misty. Let's hope it's true. But, but, then

its' the new Tricky Dicky at the helm. First thing I'm going to do is send him 12 pounds of pork chops with gravy on the side.

[msongs]

43. he would be forced to listen to eminem for 24 hours LOL eom

[MsMagnificent]

45. Threatened or Culpable are the only 2 options

that make any sense.

Given Skull and Bones between the 2 frontrunners, Ockham's Razor tells us it's a nice clean cut
--there is no synchronicity here, it's all very clear.

That they think so little of us to not play the game out for a day or two more is what gives serious pause...

[JFW]

50. yep

..

[Kolesar]

51. It amazes me how this guy can start a thread like this and walk off

Fifty posts already! He has been doing this all day, at least since around noon. Search the recent pages of this forum and see what I mean.

What is his contribution? "Kerry...threatened...concession "

[oscar111]

58. Pet Goat not used: why?

as far as i know, no Pet Goat ads.

I have to wonder why.

[Southsideirish]

66. Why? He didn't want to offend. It might have seem so to those

very fragile undecideds who mattered so very much in this campaign.

[ciaobox]

69. Dude, what are you stalking me?

Chill. I was reporting what Janeanne said on AAR. Then went to a meeting.

[JM]

59. Quid Pro Quo for Rehnquist's replacement?

I heard this tonight...Kerry's early concession in exchange for a moderate Supreme Court Justice nominee that could pass the Senate with no fighting. No proof that I can find yet...

JM

[charlie]

60. I'm not inclined to believe that

It would be a staggeringly dumb thing to do. Trust the Repubs, trust Bush, to keep their end of the deal?

[Doohickie]

61. Before you condemn the deal (if that's what it was),

maybe you should see how it turns out.

[charlie]

67. If a deal was made

I know how it'll turn out. Bush'll float one rightwing troglodyte after another, insisting they're moderates of the "strict constructionist" mold and we're obstructing because they're not commies. And he'll stick by Scalia as Chief for the same reasons.

You don't make a deal if you can't enforce it. What could Kerry hold over Bush's head? That he's gonna be "the first to speak out" if Bush reneges? We've seen how well that deterred him.

[hangloose]

78. Sorry i don't buy it, Kerry had no bargaining power, so what if

he held out for another week, the end result would be the same. You don't erase 3.5 million votes (once their posted).

[charlie]

82. Who are you aplogizing to?

I don't believe a deal was made, and said so. And he doesn't need to flip 3.5 million votes, he needs to contest votes in close states, ala Bush.

[hangloose]

84. I wasn't impling he was attempted to make a deal to erase 3.5M

votes. That's approx. how far behind in the vote count his was at the time. In other words a real hard sell to say you deserve the win.

[charlie]

88. Huh?

I was talking about a deal to quit for denying Scalia the Chief Justice seat. I said nothing about you implying a deal to "erase 3.5m".

Again, Kerry only needs to contest electoral shenanigans in close states. The popular vote is immaterial, a point made all too clear in 2000.

[CaptainCorc]

107. Is it possible to be a strict constructionalist and a moderate.....

at the same time?

[JM]

94. My thoughts exactly

I found this very hard to swallow.

These days it is tough to believe anything.

JM

[osaMABUSh]

63. We have no idea anymore what's going on in this country

We haven't a clue how many votes we're really cast for each man and we absolutely no idea why/how Kerry conceded so abruptly.

[Southsideirish]

64. He's a "goo-goo" liberal and always was.

Bush gives a flying flip about non-partisanship and division in the country.

[PoliticalJihad]

68. What can they threaten him with?

We just saw the Republicans throw everything at Kerry, little bit of truth with lots of spin and many, many lies.

I think the Republicans were digging for every bit of dirt on Kerry.

I think if there was anything, even a hint about something on Kerry the Republicans would have had it out there.

[Doohickie]

72. See Post 19 above!

[hangloose]

70. I think he didn't want the last public impression to be one of

delay and obstruction

[chelo1973]

71. Something is going on.....................

Kerry made a graceful exit but I think his lawyers are working behind the scenes. The Nixon comparison is viable. Kerry is too smart to let this just pass. If he doses nothing it is to save his own reputation in the senate. It is just too quiet right now.

[BQueen]

79. I agree - and the concession is legally meaningless

didn't see the concession, read that Kerry restraining emotion and Edwards looked angry. That would not be inconsistent with a theory I outlined in this post -- Edwards would be angry because he would be seen as breaking his word and knew he would take public heat for doing so. both would know the feelings of betrayal would be rampant, and could make people pissed at them for "playing" their supporters, too (unavoidable). Politics is not just war, it is theater...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2590721

[hangloose]

80. Perhaps Bush will appoint him to the United Nations for his

cooperation.

[ciaobox]

83. Please please stop saying this.

I can't believe Kerry would do something like that to us. It is fucked up.

[Dogmudgeon]

77. This game has yet to reach Checkmate

I'll hold my fire until more of the intrigues have been revealed.

We're really just running on pain here. The best bet is to reserve judgement until we are sure we can do an accurate post-mortem.

The job ahead remains the same. Let's not savage ourselves in the process.

--bkl

[Cookie wookie]

85. Vote fraud is not that easy to prove

but there are lots of people working hard right now to determine if there was fraud with evoting. It takes time, though. Lots of time.

I thought Kerry and Edwards speeches were wonderful. Kerry had obviously been crying and almost broke down a couple of times. He was magnificent. Seems he was told there weren't enough outstanding votes to turn the tide. My silent hope is that massive fraud will be uncovered before the Inaguration. I do think there was fraud, because I know that the evoting machines are not secure from hackers or malicious code.

[ciaobox]

101. Easy? EASY? FUCKING EASY?

No. Wresting power from right-wing idealogues is NEVER easy. But for the GOOD OF THE WORLD he needed to fight.

[bamacrat]

86. Well what could they have used aginst him.

dodging the draft, snorting coke, driving drunk, sending 1200 soldiers to their grave..... oh wait thats NOT KERRY.

[loudsue]

92. Kerry's concession, whether by force or not....

is echoed by his staffers (PeteNYC, for one) who have posted on DU today. They are NOT pursuing votes "behind the scenes", or trying in any way to stay in the election. To the Kerry campaign, this election is behind them. George is left to clean up his own mess.

Should Kerry have brought attention to the fraudulent voting machines?

OF COURSE!!! This country needs to KNOW what is going down with the mafia that is running this place.

Could that fraud have extended to the congressional races, and possibly won us back a few seats?

YOU BET!!! The whole damn thing has been gerrymandered.

Should he have stayed and fought for us!??

HELL YES!! But, he's walked away.

Is there a TEENY TINY chance that, after all the votes are counted that the election could go to Kerry instead?

Sure! Over Rover's dead body! That's why if Kerry WAS working behind the scenes with his band of lawyers, Rove would be right behind him. ESPECIALLY since DU has been talking about it all over the internet.

I'm having a HUGE problem with the way Kerry has handled this. It just doesn't ring true with the kind of person he is, that he would just walk away. Could he have been threatened? No doubt, and it probably wasn't the first time. This is the guy that investigated BCCI and IranContra -- tell me he hasn't been threatened before.

I could come to a bunch of conclusions about it (i.e., he really didn't think he had the numbers; he didn't want to create a division about voter fraud; his people knew there was voter fraud but it wasn't enough to give him the election????), but the truth is, he walked. He walked early, and his staffers say he has other kewl plans for the future, but this election isn't one of them.

I hate it. But there's not much any of us can do about it.

:kick:

[cassiepriam]

93. Kiss or Kick into compliance

There are two methods they use:
Threats or seduction.
Kerry could have been promised something.
And the only thing that would work is something
Kerry thought would be a significant contribution
to the country. Perhaps they offered him some post
or job? This would also keep him quiet for the next four
years, instead of giving wonderful speeches like Gore.
I am familiar with how these people work, and this is
typical.

[Lucypher]

100. I doubt that Kerry would take a job from * instead of fighting n/t

[robbedvoter]

98. Jeaneanne can't stand to admit she was stupid. I didn't like it either

but I know since July that Kerry folds under pressure easily. Explains his voting record too.

Previous Kerry decisions of note:
jan 6, 2001 - refusing to join the Florida 14 in contesting the Florida electoral votes in exchange for GOP promises for senate commitees positions

IWR - allegedly in exchange of UNWRITTEN promise to go to UN and ABIDE by it

Famous last words:
"I have no time for those crying in your teacups for stolen elections"
John Kerry, campaign trail 2003

[shelley806]

105. Damn...I wish I hadn't read your post and post #92...n/t

[truth2power]

103. When Cheney (I think it was) said..

Kerry would see it was best to concede after he had time to "reflect"....dunno, seemed like a threat somehow. I thought that at the time. Still think so. Just MHO.