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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 09:17 PM
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World Renown Clairvoyant Predicts Election Fraud Trouble for Bush
Edited on Sat Dec-18-04 09:39 PM by spooked

World Renown Psychic/Clairvoyant Hans Christian King gave his annual predictions on the radio program Coast to Coast AM with George Noory this week. I could hardly believe my ears! Here's a transcript from the 12/14 broadcast:


King: There is going to be a major government scandal involving the President. It's already in the works. There are some things that are going to be coming out in the next 5 to 6, 7 months that will place this President in a very embarassing position...There are electronic voting fraud investigations underway as we speak...

Noory: So you are saying that electronic voting will be a BIG issue in 2005?

King: There's no doubt about it.

Noory: I am, by the way, working on a roundtable discussion show which will include a portion of an interview with John Zogby the pollster and all is not right in voting land let me tell you, based on some preliminary things that I have been told that I cannot repeat at this time.

King: No, and you probably shouldn't at this time right now but you are absolutely correct there are some big problems that are going to come out.

Noory: Exactly who specifically did it nobody knows yet.

King: No, because it's covers on top of covers on top of covers, but if enough good people get involved we'll get the clarity.

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Notice how Noory may be confirming a Media Blackout! Coast To Coast AM is owned by Premier Radio Networks, subsidiary of Clear Channel Radio, and network of Rush Limbaugh.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 09:21 PM
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1. Oh Yeah, the investigation is on and the truth is coming out!
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:43 PM
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100. I just listened to the interview, and it sounds like that is what King
Is predicting will be happening. Huge scandal according to him.

(I subscribe to Coast2Coast)

He is also Totally Awake when it comes to the position we are now in as a nation. He does believe that in this coming year a good part of our country is finally going to wake-up!

He also believes that we might have another terrorist attack. My intuition (or is it Bush's track record)...Perhaps while Bush is being impeached????
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propagandafreegal Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:17 PM
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140. I want to hear that roundtable the host will be doing. That should be inte
resting w/ Zogby etc.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:55 PM
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144. He had a roundtable on election night with Alex Jones and Bev Harris.
I think he has been talking about bringing Bev Harris back....
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KarenS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 09:26 PM
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2. Keeping my fingers crossed here,,,,,
while I don't put alot of faith in clairvoyants ~~ I really hope this prediction is right!!!
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 10:10 PM
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22. Here's a fraud pattern already known about
One pattern that is developing based on the experience of voters in Florida, New Mexico, Ohio, and elsewhere(especially swing states) is the the machines appear to have been set with a default to Bush. Then if a voter successfully punched the ballot for another candidate, Bush was replaced by that candidate. But it appears that in many cases the voter did not successfully accomplish this and in some cases it was hard or impossible to get the other candidate to register. This was a major problem in Mahoning county in Ohio, and possibly Mercer, but also occurred in many counties and several states. They had to replace some of the machines in counties like Mahoning after repeated attempts by techs to "recalibrate" the machines after widespread reports of problems. This also happened in Florida and New Mexico. But this means that Bush would get not only the votes of those who didn't notice that the punched candidate didn't register but any intentional non votes or accidental non votes or unsuccessfully completed votes. Quite an advantage. As much as 2 to 4% in some areas and even more perhaps in some minority areas.

Ohio counties: Mahoning, Fairfield, maybe Mercer

http://www.counterpunch.org/harrison12082004.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=176637&mesg_id=176906
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:26 PM
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53. Have checked with my personal psychic,who says....
...."Answer Unclear,Ask again later....
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Tomasj Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:48 AM
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73. LOL
Thats a good one!
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Desert Liberal Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 03:56 PM
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120. Hmmmmm....
My Magic 8 Ball said, 'without a doubt' when I asked if Bush would be impeached. Maybe my wishes are rubbing off on the poor thing, but maybe....
*squeezes eyes closed and hopes real hard*
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pick_a_dilly Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 09:28 PM
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3. you don't have to be clairvoyant to know that . . .
* is going down . . .

BUT IT HELPS!!!
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 09:31 PM
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4. Bush Nixon...Nixon Bush...
I just hope we can put in a call to Ford before it is to late....
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tandem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 09:34 PM
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6. Ford? So he can pardon another criminal? nt
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tandem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 09:32 PM
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5. what the hell I'll believe in a psychic...
if bush can make his own reality - so can we.
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propagandafreegal Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 10:07 PM
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19. LOL!! Why not, right? nm
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 09:36 PM
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7. spooked , I hope you don't mind me asking, but has Hans' predictions
Edited on Sat Dec-18-04 09:41 PM by TexasChick
come close to the truth? I guess what I'm trying to ask is, how's his track record? Sorry, but I'm not familiar with Hans. Another DU posted something from another renown psychic, Claudia D. Dikinis. She predicted something happening to Smirking Chimp too. Here is an excerpt of her prediction:


http://starcats.com/newsmakers.html

Whether Bush finishes a second term or not, he is likely to be identified as the most reviled president in American history. (At this point, greater minds than mine will ever be have already said that Bush is the worst president in American history). His administration will unravel like a ball of yarn in a cat's paws. Bush himself will descend a mental slippery slope while living in seclusion and paranoia. It's is what Richard Nixon did when the lid exploded off Watergate.

George Bush does not have the strength and fortitude that characterized Richard Nixon's generation. Nixon went bad, yes, but he at least started out as a humble man who worked hard. He developed his intelligence by excelling in academics and by cultivating a naturally curious mind.
He was the last Republican president to have a social conscience. Nixon believed in helping the poor. He believed that tax dollars should be appropriated for social services to provide for those less fortunate. By contrast, Ronald Reagan's presidency in the 1980's steered the GOP to the Right and into the "greed is good era," of gilded age politics. Nixon sacrificed reputation for power. Bush sacrifices the very little he is on the alter of dirty mammon.



Thanks. I'm Christian, but I still find this psychic prediction stuff interesting. I don't know why.

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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 09:52 PM
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12. The Miami Herald says he's "One of the top five psychics in the country"
according to the testimonial page on his website.

The one bad thing about this prediction is that it ASSUMES BUSH WILL BE PRESIDENT IN 5-7 MONTHS, which means he will be inaugurated.

THEN IMPEACHED??!!
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 09:57 PM
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15. Well, hun, I pretty much come to the conclusion that he was. I just don't
see these people giving up power, unless they are forced to. But, just revel in his embarrassment after his impeachment that he did not have a mandate and he had to steal the election from Kerry to win (think to yourself "What a freaking loser!"). Then, hold your head up high with glee!! Also, thanks for your reply.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:28 PM
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55. I agree, Texas Chick
Seeing him go down in humiliation and ignominy is ever so much more tasty than even getting the election overturned. He will have no one to blame but himself.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:03 AM
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61. How about seeing him tried for treason to his country?
For all those who keep screaming "we have to do something NOW," we may never get to the top of this sordid food-chain. At best, Blackwell or one of his minions, but not those at the top.

Patience knows which battles to fight - and Kerry has told us, time and time again, that he is in this battle for the long haul: every vote will be counted, and we will work for clear and transparent elections.

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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:30 AM
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67. Yes. The inaugural is becoming less and less important...
in my mind as I become more and more convinced that a very large fraud has been committed....AND detected by people who are assembling a knock-out punch to the Bushites. Things may have been done that are so severe that, once discovered, no presidency could withstand the onslaught.

So on with the dance.
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jsascj Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:33 AM
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85. But Impeachment is not good enough for me.
'Cause then we get Cheney and if he keels over with a heart attack or goes down with Dumbya, then we get Hastart. UGH!

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bywho4who Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:15 PM
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99. I say a public
HANGING is the way to avoid future crime of this sort




:smoke: :hippie:
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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 04:27 PM
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123. Weird subject & so weird reply
...but I can't resist posting this:

The first part is the final paragraphs of Fidel Castro's "History Will Absolve Me", and the second part is a more recent speech of his.

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...The right to rebel, established in Article 40 of the Constitution, is still valid. Was it established to function while the Republic was enjoying normal conditions? No. This provision is to the Constitution what a lifeboat is to a ship at sea. The lifeboat is only launched when the ship has been torpedoed by enemies laying wait along its course. With our Constitution betrayed and the people deprived of all their prerogatives, there was only one way open: one right which no power may abolish. The right to resist oppression and injustice. If any doubt remains, there is an article of the Social Defense Code which the Honorable Prosecutor would have done well not to forget. It reads, and I quote: 'The appointed or elected government authorities that fail to resist sedition with all available means will be liable to a sentence of interdiction of from six to eight years.' The judges of our nation were under the obligation to resist Batista's treacherous military coup of the 10th of March. It is understandable that when no one has observed the law and when nobody else has done his duty, those who have observed the law and have done their duty should be sent to prison.

You will not be able to deny that the regime forced upon the nation is unworthy of Cuba's history. In his book, The Spirit of Laws, which is the foundation of the modern division of governmental power, Montesquieu makes a distinction between three types of government according to their basic nature: 'The Republican form wherein the whole people or a portion thereof has sovereign power; the Monarchical form where only one man governs, but in accordance with fixed and well-defined laws; and the Despotic form where one man without regard for laws nor rules acts as he pleases, regarding only his own will or whim.' And then he adds: 'A man whose five senses constantly tell him that he is everything and that the rest of humanity is nothing is bound to be lazy, ignorant and sensuous.' 'As virtue is necessary to democracy, and honor to a monarchy, fear is of the essence to a despotic regime, where virtue is not needed and honor would be dangerous.'

The right of rebellion against tyranny, Honorable Judges, has been recognized from the most ancient times to the present day by men of all creeds, ideas and doctrines.

It was so in the theocratic monarchies of remote antiquity. In China it was almost a constitutional principle that when a king governed rudely and despotically he should be deposed and replaced by a virtuous prince.

The philosophers of ancient India upheld the principle of active resistance to arbitrary authority. They justified revolution and very often put their theories into practice. One of their spiritual leaders used to say that 'an opinion held by the majority is stronger than the king himself. A rope woven of many strands is strong enough to hold a lion.'

The city states of Greece and republican Rome not only admitted, but defended the meting-out of violent death to tyrants.

In the Middle Ages, John Salisbury in his Book of the Statesman says that when a prince does not govern according to law and degenerates into a tyrant, violent overthrow is legitimate and justifiable. He recommends for tyrants the dagger rather than poison.

Saint Thomas Aquinas, in the Summa Theologica, rejects the doctrine of tyrannicide, and yet upholds the thesis that tyrants should be overthrown by the people.

Martin Luther proclaimed that when a government degenerates into a tyranny that violates the laws, its subjects are released from their obligations to obey. His disciple, Philippe Melanchton, upholds the right of resistance when governments become despotic. Calvin, the outstanding thinker of the Reformation with regard to political ideas, postulates that people are entitled to take up arms to oppose any usurpation.

No less a man that Juan Mariana, a Spanish Jesuit during the reign of Philip II, asserts in his book, De Rege et Regis Institutione, that when a governor usurps power, or even if he were elected, when he governs in a tyrannical manner it is licit for a private citizen to exercise tyrannicide, either directly or through subterfuge with the least possible disturbance.

The French writer, François Hotman, maintained that between the government and its subjects there is a bond or contract, and that the people may rise in rebellion against the tyranny of government when the latter violates that pact.

About the same time, a booklet - which came to be widely read - appeared under the title Vindiciae Contra Tyrannos, and it was signed with the pseudonym Stephanus Junius Brutus. It openly declared that resistance to governments is legitimate when rulers oppress the people and that it is the duty of Honorable Judges to lead the struggle.

The Scottish reformers John Knox and John Poynet upheld the same points of view. And, in the most important book of that movement, George Buchanan stated that if a government achieved power without taking into account the consent of the people, or if a government rules their destiny in an unjust or arbitrary fashion, then that government becomes a tyranny and can be divested of power or, in a final recourse, its leaders can be put to death.

John Althus, a German jurist of the early 17th century, stated in his Treatise on Politics that sovereignty as the supreme authority of the State is born from the voluntary concourse of all its members; that governmental authority stems from the people and that its unjust, illegal or tyrannical function exempts them from the duty of obedience and justifies resistance or rebellion.

Thus far, Honorable Judges, I have mentioned examples from antiquity, from the Middle Ages, and from the beginnings of our times. I selected these examples from writers of all creeds. What is more, you can see that the right to rebellion is at the very root of Cuba's existence as a nation. By virtue of it you are today able to appear in the robes of Cuban Judges. Would it be that those garments really served the cause of justice!

It is well known that in England during the 17th century two kings, Charles I and James II, were dethroned for despotism. These actions coincided with the birth of liberal political philosophy and provided the ideological base for a new social class, which was then struggling to break the bonds of feudalism. Against divine right autocracies, this new philosophy upheld the principle of the social contract and of the consent of the governed, and constituted the foundation of the English Revolution of 1688, the American Revolution of 1775 and the French Revolution of 1789. These great revolutionary events ushered in the liberation of the Spanish colonies in the New World - the final link in that chain being broken by Cuba. The new philosophy nurtured our own political ideas and helped us to evolve our Constitutions, from the Constitution of Guáimaro up to the Constitution of 1940. The latter was influenced by the socialist currents of our time; the principle of the social function of property and of man's inalienable right to a decent living were built into it, although large vested interests have prevented fully enforcing those rights.

The right of insurrection against tyranny then underwent its final consecration and became a fundamental tenet of political liberty.

As far back as 1649, John Milton wrote that political power lies with the people, who can enthrone and dethrone kings and have the duty of overthrowing tyrants.

John Locke, in his essay on government, maintained that when the natural rights of man are violated, the people have the right and the duty to alter or abolish the government. 'The only remedy against unauthorized force is opposition to it by force.'

Jean-Jaques Rousseau said with great eloquence in his Social Contract: 'While a people sees itself forced to obey and obeys, it does well; but as soon as it can shake off the yoke and shakes it off, it does better, recovering its liberty through the use of the very right that has been taken away from it.' 'The strongest man is never strong enough to be master forever, unless he converts force into right and obedience into duty. Force is a physical power; I do not see what morality one may derive from its use. To yield to force is an act of necessity, not of will; at the very least, it is an act of prudence. In what sense should this be called a duty?' 'To renounce freedom is to renounce one's status as a man, to renounce one's human rights, including one's duties. There is no possible compensation for renouncing everything. Total renunciation is incompatible with the nature of man and to take away all free will is to take away all morality of conduct. In short, it is vain and contradictory to stipulate on the one hand an absolute authority and on the other an unlimited obedience ...'

Thomas Paine said that 'one just man deserves more respect than a rogue with a crown.'

The people's right to rebel has been opposed only by reactionaries like that clergyman of Virginia, Jonathan Boucher, who said: 'The right to rebel is a censurable doctrine derived from Lucifer, the father of rebellions.'

The Declaration of Independence of the Congress of Philadelphia, on July 4th, 1776, consecrated this right in a beautiful paragraph which reads: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness; That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it and to institute a new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.'

The famous French Declaration of the Rights of Man willed this principle to the coming generations: 'When the government violates the rights of the people, insurrection is for them the most sacred of rights and the most imperative of duties.' 'When a person seizes sovereignty, he should be condemned to death by free men.'

I believe I have sufficiently justified my point of view. I have called forth more reasons than the Honorable Prosecutor called forth to ask that I be condemned to 26 years in prison. All these reasons support men who struggle for the freedom and happiness of the people. None support those who oppress the people, revile them, and rob them heartlessly. Therefore I have been able to call forth many reasons and he could not adduce even one. How can Batista's presence in power be justified when he gained it against the will of the people and by violating the laws of the Republic through the use of treachery and force? How could anyone call legitimate a regime of blood, oppression and ignominy? How could anyone call revolutionary a regime which has gathered the most backward men, methods and ideas of public life around it? How can anyone consider legally valid the high treason of a Court whose duty was to defend the Constitution? With what right do the Courts send to prison citizens who have tried to redeem their country by giving their own blood, their own lives? All this is monstrous to the eyes of the nation and to the principles of true justice!

Still there is one argument more powerful than all the others. We are Cubans and to be Cuban implies a duty; not to fulfill that duty is a crime, is treason. We are proud of the history of our country; we learned it in school and have grown up hearing of freedom, justice and human rights. We were taught to venerate the glorious example of our heroes and martyrs. Céspedes, Agramonte, Maceo, Gómez and Martí were the first names engraved in our minds. We were taught that the Titan once said that liberty is not begged for but won with the blade of a machete. We were taught that for the guidance of Cuba's free citizens, the Apostle wrote in his book The Golden Age: 'The man who abides by unjust laws and permits any man to trample and mistreat the country in which he was born is not an honorable man ... In the world there must be a certain degree of honor just as there must be a certain amount of light. When there are many men without honor, there are always others who bear in themselves the honor of many men. These are the men who rebel with great force against those who steal the people's freedom, that is to say, against those who steal honor itself. In those men thousands more are contained, an entire people is contained, human dignity is contained ...' We were taught that the 10th of October and the 24th of February are glorious anniversaries of national rejoicing because they mark days on which Cubans rebelled against the yoke of infamous tyranny. We were taught to cherish and defend the beloved flag of the lone star, and to sing every afternoon the verses of our National Anthem: 'To live in chains is to live in disgrace and in opprobrium,' and 'to die for one's homeland is to live forever!' All this we learned and will never forget, even though today in our land there is murder and prison for the men who practice the ideas taught to them since the cradle. We were born in a free country that our parents bequeathed to us, and the Island will first sink into the sea before we consent to be the slaves of anyone.

It seemed that the Apostle would die during his Centennial. It seemed that his memory would be extinguished forever. So great was the affront! But he is alive; he has not died. His people are rebellious. His people are worthy. His people are faithful to his memory. There are Cubans who have fallen defending his doctrines. There are young men who in magnificent selflessness came to die beside his tomb, giving their blood and their lives so that he could keep on living in the heart of his nation. Cuba, what would have become of you had you let your Apostle die?

I come to the close of my defense plea but I will not end it as lawyers usually do, asking that the accused be freed. I cannot ask freedom for myself while my comrades are already suffering in the ignominious prison of the Isle of Pines. Send me there to join them and to share their fate. It is understandable that honest men should be dead or in prison in a Republic where the President is a criminal and a thief.

To you, Honorable Judges, my sincere gratitude for having allowed me to express myself free from contemptible restrictions. I hold no bitterness towards you, I recognize that in certain aspects you have been humane, and I know that the Chief Judge of this Court, a man of impeccable private life, cannot disguise his repugnance at the current state of affairs that compels him to dictate unjust decisions. Still, a more serious problem remains for the Court of Appeals: the indictments arising from the murders of seventy men, that is to say, the greatest massacre we have ever known. The guilty continue at liberty and with weapons in their hands - weapons which continually threaten the lives of all citizens. If all the weight of the law does not fall upon the guilty because of cowardice or because of domination of the courts, and if then all the judges do not resign, I pity your honor. And I regret the unprecedented shame that will fall upon the Judicial Power.

I know that imprisonment will be harder for me than it has ever been for anyone, filled with cowardly threats and hideous cruelty. But I do not fear prison, as I do not fear the fury of the miserable tyrant who took the lives of 70 of my comrades. Condemn me. It does not matter. History will absolve me.

--
Our most sacred task is to fight and fight we will

Speech given by President Fidel Castro at the 13th Co
nference of heads of state and government of the Non-Aligned Movement in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia on February 25, 2003, "Year of the Glorious Anniversary of Martí and Moncada."

(Translation of the typescript version of the Council of State)

Most excellent and esteemed friend Mahathir bin Mohamad, Prime Minister of Malaysia;

Esteemed Leaders and other delegation members;

Distinguished guests:

We live in difficult times. In recent months we have heard chilling words and opinions more than once. In a speech given to the West Point cadets on June 1, 2002, the president of the United States declared: "Our security will require transforming the military you will lead — a military that must be ready to strike at a moment’s notice in any dark corner of the world."

That same day he proclaimed the doctrine of a pre-emptive and surprise war, something that nobody had ever done in the political history of the world. Months later, when referring to an unnecessary and almost certain military action against Iraq, he affirmed that if they were forced to fight then they would fight with the full might of their armed forces.

That was not stated by the government of a small and weak state; it was the head of the richest and most powerful military potency that has ever existed, in possession of thousands of nuclear weapons, enough to eliminate the people of the world various times over and of other terrible military methods of conventional and mass destruction.
Thos is what we are: "Dark corners of the world." That is how some see Third World countries. Nobody has defined us better, nor done so with more disdain.

As former colonies of powers that divided and plundered the world for centuries, today we constitute the group of developing countries. Not one has full independence, fair and equal treatment, or any national security; not one is a member of the Security Council, or has the right of veto or can make a decision in the international financial organizations; or retain its best talents, protect itself from the flight of its capital, the destruction of nature and environment caused by economically developed countries’ spendthrift, selfish and insatiable consumerism.

After the last world butchery of the 1940’s, we were promised a peaceful world, a reduced gap between rich and poor and that the most developed would help the least developed. It was all an enormous lie. They imposed an unsustainable and unbearable world order on us. The world is being led up a one-way street. In just 150 years we have exhausted the gasoline and oil that it took the planet 300 million years to accumulate.

In only 100 years, humanity has grown by approximately 1.5 billion people, and now stands at more than 6 billion inhabitants. It has to depend entirely on energy sources that are still being researched and developed. Poverty is increasing; old and new diseases are threatening to wipe out entire nations; soil is eroding and losing its fertility; the climate is changing, the air, drinking water and the seas are increasingly more contaminated.

If we wrest authority from them, then the United Nations is hindered and destroyed; aid for developing countries is diminished; a $2.5 trillion USD debt is demanded from the Third World, an amount absolutely impossible to pay under current conditions; instead, every year a trillion dollars is spent on increasingly more sophisticated and lethal weapons. And for what?

A similar sum is used for advertising, sowing consumerist desires impossible to satisfy in millions and millions of people. Why and for what?

For the first time, our species is running the real risk of exterminating itself due to the madness of human being themselves, victims of the same "civilization." However, nobody will fight for us who make up the vast majority. Only we ourselves, with the support of millions of manual workers and intellectuals from developed countries who see the same catastrophe also affecting their own peoples, sowing ideas, creating awareness, mobilizing the public opinion of the world and the U.S. people, will be able to save the species.

Nobody needs anyone to tell them this. You know it only too well. Our most sacred task is to fight and fight we will!

Thank you very much.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 03:48 PM
Response to Reply #85
117. Then it's Rice? After Hastert?
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jsascj Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #117
119. Is it? That's where I stopped...
Either way...


WE'RE SCREWED!
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mulethree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #85
122. We get, the guy who replaces Cheney
Edited on Sun Dec-19-04 04:12 PM by mulethree
Cheney might not survive the scandal either.

If we're looking at a Nixon->Ford situation, Agnew was gone first.

Ford was the Republican House leader, but not the speaker of the house, so he wasn't chosen on basis of being first in line of succession.

Ford was confirmed by a huge margin, is there any republican who could achieve that? (Hint repubs - you might manage it if you are instrumental in exposing the fraud? - and if you promise to issue no pardons in relation?)
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Donailin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #7
16. Well, I'm an Irish Catholic
and I'll take it. * is not only on the altar with mammon, he's
comfortable with the idea that folks think he IS God.. 

To wit:

 "The leader of the free world is clearly comfortable
with this calculus and artfully encourages it. In the series
of televised, carefully choreographed "Ask President
Bush" events with supporters around the country, sessions
filled with prayers and blessings, one questioner recently
summed up the feelings of so many Christian conservatives, the
core of the Bush army. "I've voted Republican from the
very first time I could vote," said Gary Walby, a retired
jeweler from Destin, Fla., as he stood before the president in
a crowded college gym. "And I also want to say this is
the very first time that I have felt that God was in the White
House." Bush simply said "thank you" as a wave
of raucous applause rose from the assembled. "

-taken from "Without A Doubt" (NYTimes) by Ron
Suskind
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #16
21. Donailin, yep, very familiar with that man saying that. It made me sick
beyond belief. Christians who read the Bible, know better. This man wouldn't know Christ from a rock on the ground. He is a deadringer for the false prophets that Christ warned us about:

Matthew 7:15-16
"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?"


Problem with these fundies is, they DON'T read the Bible. They listen to soundbytes and fake Christians like Rude Limbaugh and Sean Insanity. This is why they are easily manipulated by the Chimp into thinking that he is a Christian. Tsk, tsk, tsk. These people will learn the hard way, I guess.


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Donailin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #21
29. Oh, hey, TexasChick
You can read all of the sermon on the mount and think of what the anti-Christ would look like.

Bush fits the bill. When I hear his new mantra on "ownership" society, he always says that Americans need to create their own personal wealth. I'm sorry, but this is not a goal of mine. Peace, justice and making sure my kids have good character, those are the things that count most, not living for mammon. This is polar opposite of Christ's philosophy. We're supposed to have that wealth in heaven; "build treasure in heaven where fire can't destroy it or moth eat it, nor can it be stolen"

Personally? I DO think he is the anti-Christ, if such a thing exists.
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #29
33. Donailin, thanks for your input. Yes, Smirking Chimp is the antithesis to
Edited on Sat Dec-18-04 10:34 PM by TexasChick
Christ's teachings. It's just a (pardon my language) damn shame! I thought Christ always taught us to give to the poor. You always give to the poor.

Secondly, I don't believe Smirking Chimp is the AntiChrist. I believe the Rapture must take place first before the AntiChrist appears. Because, if I remember correctly, Christ will come to rapture his Church (the disappearance of millions from the earth) before the AntiChrist appears. This is so the true believers of Christ won't have to endure the 7 year tribulations (you know the locusts, plagues, etc.). Plus, the AntiChrist will have some powers to fool millions into believing he is Christ. Smirking Chimp hasn't fooled half of this country, much less the world. He can't even drive a Sedgway or ride a bike or chew a pretzel without choking! ;) So, I think that you are okay until you see millions disappear from the earth, planes falling from the sky, unmanned cars, etc.

Peace. TexasChick


DISCLAIMER: I'm no Bible scholar, so I may have some facts wrong.
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:43 AM
Response to Reply #33
70. Rapture....
Unfortunately we won't even be able to get rid of * that way. :mad:
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:55 AM
Response to Reply #70
76. LOL! I know what you mean though. n/t
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dlaliberte Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #33
103. "The evil one is among us." - GWB
There are multiple interpretations of how the end times will play out, and specifically when the rapture will occur. But moreover, it is often difficult to determine which real-world events correspond to which metaphorical rendering in the Bible.

Whether any of us believe GWB is the antichrist, it appears he believes he is God's agent, and he has been rallying to bring on the Armageddon northwest of Jerusalem, followed by Christ's second coming.

http://www.falloutshelternews.com/BushAntiChrist.htm
http://www.counterpunch.org/hill1019.html

He believes he is on the right side of justice, but we know his actions so far have been evil. Would it make sense for the antichrist to know that he is that which will be defeated by Christ? I don't think he or any of his ignorantly blissful pseudo-christian supporters knows that he is positioning himself to play that very role.

I am agnostic, raised Catholic. I don't know who or what to believe, but I do know what it means to be good, by DOING good. Bush does not.
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #103
104. Thanks, dlaliberte, your points are well taken. I believe the Chimp is
a very dangerous man and he DOES believe he is God. I just think that's a sign of insanity! ;) LOL!


I don't know who or what to believe, but I do know what it means to be good, by DOING good. Bush does not.

Amen to that!

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Donailin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #33
125. Oh, I don't believe in that rapture stuff
because there is no solid biblical basis for it. See here:http://www.orthodoxonline.com/leftbehind.htm
The left behind series is fiction, the author Tim LaHaye, says as much. He is making million$ on fictional books and keeping it for himself. Same with that disgusting piece of garbage, Pat Robertson, who mines for diamonds in third world countries while supporting the despotic leaders who let him do the mining. If there's a hell, they will all be there.

The meek will inherit the earth
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Red State Blues Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 04:04 AM
Response to Reply #125
147. Part of the problem ...
Is that in many ways it doesn't matter if you believe or not. If enough people believe that the apocalypse is coming on a certain date and they have a part to play in it, they can do quite a lot of damage. I've read Revelations several times, I don't pretend to understand it very well but I can honestly say I never saw it as a users manual.
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 06:05 AM
Response to Reply #33
156. but he fell off a segway! isn't that a miracle? ;) n/t
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madison2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #29
89. There are a lot who start out on the right track but get sucked into
this type of thinking. "If I behave in a way that is virtuous, I will be successful". They believe in "claiming" Bible verses- which ends up sounding like the Bible is a way of twisting God's arm. God becomes a shortcut to success. You can build all kinds of philosophy if you patch Bible verses together out of context.

All I can say, is when Bush falls, there's going to be a lot of bewildered people out there.

I agree, the Sermon on the Mount gives the best idea of what is Christlike, and Bush is the very antithesis of Jesus.
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:36 PM
Response to Reply #21
58. Thanks for that bit of scripture. How perfect.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #16
32. Does this look like God to you?


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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #32
34. LOL! Nope, he sure doesn't! I saw that picture. He just looks like a
total mental reject!
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #34
37. Awwww, c'mon!
Don't you see the chimp, errrrr, pimp in him? :D
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #37
39. Oh, man! Now that you mention it. LOL!! I love your member name,
by the way. It rocks!
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #32
38. Proof that Bush** IS God
Edited on Sat Dec-18-04 10:47 PM by spooked


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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #38
40. Good grief! That Chimp is uglier than sin itself! n/t
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:08 AM
Response to Reply #38
64. Has that been Photoshopped?
Just kidding.
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #38
84. bush is not the antichrist...he is his son

i rest my case
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 10:56 PM
Response to Reply #32
44. Doesn't it look like the bald secret service agent
wants to bust up laughing??
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #32
59. is this picture real???? why would a real president want to dress like thi
this???? this is SO unbelievable!!!
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:47 AM
Response to Reply #32
72. Belly-laughing over that pic! I'm convinced he is

mentally deficient.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 05:22 AM
Response to Reply #32
148. Bush looks a bit like Truman Capote in that photo.
How odd.

I can see him living his last days in mental disarray.

Years of drug and alcohol abuse is going to nudge that along.

Poor Laura.

He sometimes seemed batshit already during the debates.

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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #16
92. We get a "Jesus in the White House" letter to the editor all the
time. The panhandle is ate up with it.
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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #7
20. I like that one better!
It's less bland and more perceptive.

It's interesting that in French society and culture a "clairvoyent" like Andre Gide is an insightful visionary but not necesarily a mystic or claimant to supernatural powers. It's interesting that Claudia Dikinis is not one to arrogantly put herself above more "secular" visionarys like Gide or Orwell, notice how she says "(At this point, greater minds than mine will ever be have already said that Bush is the worst president in American history)." Of course, those great minds are typically insightful writers like Cheryl Seal, Mike Ruppert, etc. But it seems that our popular culture demands for the visionaries to pose as mystics or something. Claudia has that tone that goes over better on our radio stations.
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #20
30. Mike Ruppert says some pretty creepy things. eom
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:12 PM
Response to Reply #7
50. My sister is a "Christian", too..but
that doesn't stop her from being able to understand astrology, psychic phenomena, and every other thing the universe has to offer.

I don't know what "religious" people who think metaphysical studies are the devil's spawn are afraid of?

It's like they belong to a cult and everything else is Bad..even Yoga!
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m berst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #50
52. depends
The problem I see with much of the occult is that it is about gaining for one's self as opposed to the Christian teaching of being of service to others.

Astrology, psychics, etc. - "what can I get for myself?"

Christianity at its best - "how can I help others?"

That is the difference that I see.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #52
54. All the people I know are in service to
others and they are not "Christians"..You have to be strong and healthy yourself before you can help others.

The Christians that I know around town..listen to limbaugh ..voted for bush and are mean as junk yard dogs.
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m berst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 01:33 AM
Response to Reply #54
77. yes
I wondered if I should qualify what I said to anticipate this inevitable response. I didn't mean to say anything that defended Christians in general, nor anything that attacked any other groups of people.

- Many non-Christians are dedicated to helping others - of course.

- Many Christians are selfish and without compassion - of course.

It may even be true today that we could change the word "many" in the statements above to "most" and they would be more accurate.

I wasn't addressing nor judging groups of people. I was offering a personal point of view in response to the question "what problem could a Christian have with the occult?"
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:08 AM
Response to Reply #50
63. Well, according to God, they are the devil's spawn. I don't know how
Edited on Sun Dec-19-04 12:14 AM by TexasChick
familiar you are with Christianity, but it is anabomination to God to study the stars, in other words, it is forbidden for Christians to study the occult (or at least, the way I practice Christianity). Let me give you some verses to let you know what I mean:

Leviticus 19:31 - "Do not look for advice from people who get messages from those who have died. Do not go to people who talk to the spirits of the dead. If you do, they will make you "unclean". I am the LORD your God.

Deuteronomy 18:10-13 - Here are things you must not do. Don't sacrifice your children in the fire to other gods. Don't practice any kind of evil magic at all. Don't use magic to try to explain the meaning of warnings in the sky or of any other signs. Don't take part in worshiping evil powers. Don't put a spell on anyone. Don't get messages from those who have died. Don't talk to spirits of the dead. Don't get advice from the dead.

Jeremiah 27: 9 - "So, do not listen to your prophets. Do not listen to those who claim to have secret knowledge. Do not listen to those who try to explain your dreams. Do not listen to those who get messages from people who have died. Do not listen to those who practice evil magic. All of them will tell you, 'You won't serve the king of Babylonia."

Why is God so down on a harmless giggle looking at this week's horoscope? Because He says, "I am the Lord your God." We are to turn to Him, not "the stars", for our future security. He, and He alone, is our God.



That pretty much tells me not to study the occult or to seek guidance from a psychic, tarot reader, etc. Other Christians may have different feelings, but I for one, interpret these verses to mean exactly this.

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regularjoe Donating Member (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 02:01 AM
Response to Reply #63
80. Just out of curiosity, what version of the Bible do you use? n/t
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #80
83. The New International Reader's Version, Revised. I have
a children's Bible because it's easier for me to understand. These are the words from that Bible, which may sound very elementary to some. It's just because I have a hard time understanding the other versions. I finally found a children's version. LOL!
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #63
87. On the other hand
Why would God only speak to his people in days past?

Acts 2:17-18
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God,
I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh:
And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
And your young men shall see visions,
And your old men shall dream dreams;
And on My servants and on My handmaidens,
I will pour out in those days of My Spirit;
And they shall prophesy.

Or what is the knowledge this says the stars show?

Psalms 19:1-3, “The heavens declare the glory of God. The skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech. Night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard.”
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #87
94. hmm, I still think we are not to study the stars. The way that I interpet
Edited on Sun Dec-19-04 11:56 AM by TexasChick
the Psalm verses is just that they are giving glory to God and his work in creating them. Somehow I don't interpret that to mean to studying the occult. I could be wrong though. Unless, of course, I'm not understanding your post. Here's what my version (The New International Reader's Version, Revised and it's a children's Bible) of the Bible I use says:

Psalms 19:1-3 - The heavens tell about the glory of God. The skies show that his hands created them. Day after day they speak about it. Night after night they make it known. But, they don't speak or use words. No sound is heard from them.


I can see what you mean about having prophets in the days past from God. But, I think they were appointed from God to be a prophet. I think Jesus eliminated the reason for God not needing prophets anymore.



Thanks for your input, jbnow. I really appreciate your comments. I like talking about this stuff with other DUers. Are you Christian, if you don't mind me asking? I understand if you think it's none of my business.
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 02:55 PM
Response to Reply #94
111. The psalm may not be clear
But the verse from acts is.
"And on My servants and on My handmaidens,
I will pour out in those days of My Spirit;
And they shall prophesy."
couldn't be much clearer.

Not to say this is those times.

While you think "Jesus eliminated the reason for God not needing prophets anymore" I would say his coming opened the door for us to have a more personal relationship with God...or the "holy spirit". He also says we are "not under law, but under grace"

To me that means if we feel the call of spirit, if we feel that presence of grace...we honor that. (And how do we honor all the laws when it comes to the old testament anyway? We'd have to kill shell fish eaters and ask women if they were menstruating and ask men if they had a penile discharge before we let them serve our food or sit on our furniture and so on)

God's gift to someone might be that they do hear spirit. Who would we be to tell them to ignore the gift?

I go the other way when I read the bible. That is I know there are translations easier to understand, but if I am interested in a verse I look into the history of the translation. The original languages make translating complex, whether it is not using vowels, or not having spaces between the words or any capitalization or punctuation. Sometimes they have to make a choice between several potential meanings.

In any case the Psalm verse was one I looked into long ago and it was closer to that the heavens gush forth speech that offers knowledge and discernment. It sounded to me like...astrology could be based on divine principal.

Anything “occult” or not occult can be used for good or for bad...and spirit can speak through anything it wants I imagine.

I don’t know what you mean by Christian. I honor Christ. I don’t like religion. But then Jesus also sais “wherever two or three of you gather in my name, there am I in the midst of you”.

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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #111
118. Thanks, jbnow. I think you are so right on this part:
(And how do we honor all the laws when it comes to the old testament anyway? We'd have to kill shell fish eaters and ask women if they were menstruating and ask men if they had a penile discharge before we let them serve our food or sit on our furniture and so on)


I guess maybe tarot, psychics, are just a "tad" scary. I don't associate with them being Satan's tools, perchance. And, I used to know a psychic years and years ago. And, he was the nicest guy I knew. He did a reading for me (this was before Christianity came along) and only one of his predictions came true! ;)

I will never tell you that you are wrong about anything. I think will all interpret religion in a different way. Again, thanks for your input. Peace. TexasChick
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lizzieforkerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #63
96. I seriously could do away with the entire book of Leviticus.
Dear President Bush,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and support a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you said, "in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman." I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination... End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev.21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev. 24:10-16.

Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

23rd psalm for 2004

Bush is my shepherd; I dwell in want.
He maketh logs to be cut down in national forests.
He leadeth trucks into the still wilderness.
He restoreth my fears.
He leadeth me in the paths of international disgrace for his ego's sake.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of pollution and war,
I will find no exit, for thou art in office.
Thy tax cuts for the rich and thy media control,
They discomfort me.
Thou preparest an agenda of deception in the presence of thy religion.
Thou anointest my head with foreign oil.
My health insurance runneth out.
Surely megalomania and false patriotism shall follow me all the days of thy term,
And my jobless child shall dwell in my basement forever.
Amen
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #96
101. lizzieforkerry, thanks! I've seen this letter before. It's actually
hilarious, isn't it, in a twisted sort of way? LOL! And, thanks for the 23rd Psalm for 2004. I've never seen it before!
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disillusioned1 Donating Member (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:24 PM
Response to Reply #63
135. If what you say is true
then Easter is devil's spawn. Easter is determined every year by the first Sunday after the first full moon after the Spring Equinox. Isn't it?
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:20 PM
Response to Reply #135
141. mmm, not quite sure, disillusioned1. You got me on that one! n/t
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disillusioned1 Donating Member (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:48 PM
Response to Reply #141
143. It's true
Edited on Sun Dec-19-04 11:53 PM by disillusioned1
Here's the calendar showing moon phases:
http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2005&country=1

This shows when Easter 2005 is scheduled:
http://www.holidays.net/easter/eadates.htm

Easter 2005
Ash Wednesday is 9 February
Palm Sunday is 20 March
Good Friday is 25 March
(Western) Easter Sunday is 27 March

So...
Spring Equinox is March 21st. That never changes.
First Full Moon after the Spring Equinox is March 25th.
The first Sunday after the full moon is March 27th, which is Easter!

I've found very few Christians who realize that their high holiday is set by the moon phase.

Here's more. The name of that full moon is called the Paschal moon.

...

Easter is the Sunday after the Paschal Full Moon. The Paschal Full Moon may occur from March 21 through April 18, inclusive. Thus the date of Easter is from March 22 through April 25, inclusive. The date of the Paschal full moon is determined from tables, and it may differ from the date of the the actual full moon by up to two days. This definition, along with tables, etc. may be found in "The Explanatory Supplement to the Astronomical Ephemeris and American Ephemeris and Nautical Almanac". This definition that uses tables instead of actual observations of the full moon is useful and necessary since the the full moon may occur on different (local, not UT) dates depending where you are in the world. If the date of Easter was based on local observations, then it would be possible for different parts of the world to celebrate Easter on different dates in the same year.

...

http://www.smart.net/~mmontes/ec-cal.html

Edited to add
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PaulaGem Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:03 PM
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98. Pray, Pray without ceasing...

"Thanks. I'm Christian, but I still find this psychic prediction stuff interesting. I don't know why."

You probably know this, but prayer is more effective if you inhale Spirit more than you exhale your troubles.

This is why you find the psychic stuff interesting. There is a real connection to Spirit that most have not developed adequately. If you don't know about Gnosis and the Christian Gnostics that where annihilated by the Roman Church in the 4th century, do some research, It may give you some more answers.

Christ is not a name, it is a title, it means the anointed one. I believe the Second Coming will be a new anointing of Spirit. I also strongly suspect the defense of the world's greatest democracy is the first great battle of Armageddon.

Love & Light
Paula



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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 09:38 PM
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8. and one of the Bush twins had a premonition of W losing
n/t
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femme.democratique Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 09:38 PM
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9. some more info...
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2004/12/14.html

Dirty Bomb....Political Scandal...anyone see a connection here? Bueller? Bueller?

A Medium's Forecast
Hans Christian King, an internationally acclaimed direct voice medium, shared his predictions for 2005 which he garnered from his four spirit guides. He expressed strong concerns over the prospect of terrorism in the U.S. in the coming year or in the first part of 2006, with a dirty bomb possibly being used. The biggest threat to the American economy though, is the deficit, which if not addressed could bankrupt the country, he said.

King stated there will be a major government scandal involving the President in the next five or six months as well as revelations concerning election voting fraud. Other predictions included:

The hurricane season will be about the same as the one in 2004.
Gas prices will stay within 50¢ of where they are now.
The National Hockey League will probably not have a season.
This will be the Pope's last year in his position.
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Donailin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 10:06 PM
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18. On that last one
>>This will be the Pope's last year in his position. <<



He's been done for years already. He is totally irrelevant. As the successor to Peter, Christ's fvored apostle who was considered the rock on which he would build his church, he should traveled to Bagdad the week before the bombing of Iraq and risked laying down his life. No way would Bush have proceeded. No way. Another "leader" corrupted by power, paying only lipservice.



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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:51 PM
Response to Reply #18
60. I just went on a wild imaginative journey thinking what it would have
been like if the Pope flew around asking the major religious leaders of the world to join him in Iraq where they would confront Saddam and broker peace. Could have been a real interesting scenario. damn.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 02:49 AM
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82. I consulted someone who knows a bit about this stuff...
And this was his response:

"O.K., as a so-called "expert" in the matter of psychic/clairvoyant predictions (do you have your deep-stream waders on, now?), the fact is that these are people that literally "read" the energy around a person or situation. At the present time, there is a LOT of energy around the "supposed" fraud element in this election. Whether the exposure comes "true" or not, as predicted, is HEAVILY dependent upon the level of energy maintained, through time. People have a habit of tiring of a topic... and quite rapidly, at that... which is one of the key facts that experienced politicians count on and why many predictions don't "come true."...

Therefore, any such clairvoyant prediction is HEAVILY dependent upon the level of energy being MAINTAINED toward the situation desired (this is a key factor in ANY kind of manifesting, at this time, although it will improve in the next few decades). Right now, you and your psuedonym friends are doing a TREMENDOUS job in starting to keep this topic alive, but it is going to need a CONTINUED and SUSTAINED effort to effect the exposures desired. How long is "long?" Only time can tell (yes, what a weasel answer!) because of the tremendous levels of disbelief at all such levels (look at my own reaction when you started mentioning this... also, you introduced the potential rather gradually, untill I REALLY got pulled in) PLUS the fact that there is going to be a TREMENDOUS amount of top-end pressure to pooh-pooh and downplay the whole topic (look at Nixon's and Clinton's initial responses when they were caught with THEIR respective pants down - pun intended in the later case).


So, psychics and clairvoyants are simply reading "what's out there" from an energy standpoint, and that can change, pro or con, over time. With the amount of energy that's out there on this topic RIGHT NOW, I suspect there's a good chance this prediction can come true.

Blessings,
XXXXX"


So, if this is true, we just need to keep the process going....

On a darker note.
With regard to King's prediction of terrorism in US in the coming year, this is a scary story:

<<snip>>
A Staged Attack on Atlanta, Dallas or Houston on Dec 27???
From a former Bundesnachrichtendienst member-- Intel Expert

(We cannot verify or dismiss out of hand the following. However if genuine, advance publicity may actually prevent its occurrence. Ed.)

Paul Wofowitz will authorise the detonation of a nuclear payload in the Houston area on December 27, 2004. The Hidden Hand network (Mossad/al-Qaeda/SAS) of which he is the nominal controller has verified in advance every aspect of operational integrity - a failsafe job with zero chance of discovery.

Houston has been primed for months via deliberate mismanagement, incompetence, corruption and embezzlement at its FEMA-independent Emergency Center. The police and fire services have been deliberately and systematically sabotaged and thrown into administrative chaos so as to ensure maximum fatalities in the aftermath of the detonation. However, the existence of the center will provide the Bush administration with a "we did everything we could" excuse.

We believe the Hidden Hand envisages the following scenario:

1. Detonation on Dec 27 (could be delayed, but all our intercepts point to this date) ...
<<snip>>
http://thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2592


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femme.democratique Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:36 AM
Response to Reply #82
91. A nuke in Houston?
Wow, that is crazy....I don't put it past them.....I do have some reservations about whether "they" would allow the precious state of Texas to be attacked, then again, too bad * won't be there to enjoy the radiation and destruction....

The two week period between now and the new year I suspect will be very interesting.
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #82
95. You would think they could not pull this off when tipped off in advance
Then again, nothing surprises me anymore.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #82
97. You may be interested in this
Edited on Sun Dec-19-04 12:34 PM by seemslikeadream
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momzno1 Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #97
132. the latest info from the "German Guy"
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Pierre de Fermat Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 09:43 PM
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10. Wow, a World Renown Clairvoyant...n/t
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:55 AM
Response to Reply #10
75. OT: Noticed your name, Fermat. Are you a mathematician? n/t
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #75
131. maybe he fancies himself a modern day Nostradamus
but given the fact he made a blind sided attack and ran away we can write him off as a coward!
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propagandafreegal Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #10
88. I love the sarcasm of your post! Hee! nm
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #88
112. you do?
You enjoy sarcasms being directed at people who hold certain ideas strongly? WOW, aren't you cut from the finest of cloth.
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propagandafreegal Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #112
114. Wha???? I just found it funny. I didn't take it that deep... nm
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Donailin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 09:46 PM
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11. hey man. . . psychics, clairvoyants, whatever
just nail these bastards to the wall.

Somebody, anyone. . PLEASE!
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #11
14. Right! What I like is this was spoken on Rush's Clear Channel Radio!!
and heard by MILLIONS of listeners!
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 09:53 PM
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13. "There is going to be a major government scandal involving the President."
Well, that's pretty far-fetched, but we will see.

I am somewhat psychic, myself, and predict that I will have Campbell's chicken noodle soup for lunch one day this week.
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Donailin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #13
23. You're a psychic? I'm a psychic,
too! But all I ever have premonitions of is me and my three kids hightailing on foot as we escape over some mountainous range like Maria Von Trapp in Sound of Music. The son of a bitch is nuts and could very easily get us all killed. <g>
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 10:14 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. This is exactly what I'm afraid of. We and half of the world will be dead
before we can stop these PNACer/neocons! :scared:
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #23
36. You're both psychics? So am I! No, wait,
I think the doc said psychotic......:+
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:53 AM
Response to Reply #36
74. You too? I'm psychic... or psycho...or something like that! n/t
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #23
41. Well, I haven't been able to know beyond having Campbell's soup for lunch.
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 09:59 PM
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17. Noory will be having a roundtable discussion including Zogby and
Noory says he has been told not to discuss any of this.

Noory: I am, by the way, working on a roundtable discussion show which will include a portion of an interview with John Zogby the pollster and all is not right in voting land let me tell you, based on some preliminary things that I have been told that I cannot repeat at this time.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 10:16 PM
Response to Reply #17
26. Things are getting pretty interesting now ..............
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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 10:16 PM
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25. Send this to Arnebeck and Conyers!
Just kidding.
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 10:17 PM
Response to Reply #25
27. LOL!!! Thanks for the chuckles!! n/t
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #27
28. Bush will leave the WH in disgrace period.
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 10:37 PM
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35. Okay. eom
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #25
31. LOL
Yeah, I wonder what they would make of THIS!
Thanks for the laugh, friend!

:crazy:
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 10:55 PM
Response to Reply #25
42. hahahahahaha!!!!!
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Terre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 10:55 PM
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43. Astrologically speaking . . .
Out of curiosity I went and poked around on Google and came up with a couple sites - there are many, many more:

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/142/story_14265_1.html
This one is 3 pages long - a couple of interesting snippets:

In Uranian astrology, Bush's "midheaven" is conjunct "Hades'," a combination interpreted as "Holder of Secrets." The policy of secrecy in his administration could implode and undo his presidency, and his lucky Jupiter, which will return in 2005, will be hard-pressed to save him. Pg 2, Paragraph 6

and on the last page:

Chief Tecumseh's curse - which declared that U.S. presidents elected then would not complete their terms. In 1811, the Indian chief Tecumseh was defeated in the Battle of Tippecanoe by William Henry Harrison. Legend has it he sent Harrison word that he - and "every Great Chief chosen every 20 years thereafter die" - as a reminder of the death of Tecumseh's people.

The only president to survive, was Reagan. Having said that, I don't wish this on anyone, even Bush. I'll take a plain ole impeachment any day.

Another prediction by Nick Syminghton on 10/04/04:
http://www.thefutureminders.com/astrology-horoscope-channel/astrology-George/November-2-2004-US-Election.htm

predicted Kerry's win. In his postscript on 11/03 he writes at the end:

The immediate future for George W. Bush and the United States looks difficult and demanding. As the saying goes: “The chickens will come home to roost.”

Not to make light of Mr. Syminghton's knowledge in the subject of astrological interpretation, but I think we can all agree on that last statement, even if we're not experts in that field.

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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:03 PM
Response to Reply #43
45. I didn't realize that the 20 year curse said
Edited on Sat Dec-18-04 11:03 PM by spooked
"every Great Chief chosen every 20 years..."

So I guess it doesn't apply to Bush**. :)

The astrology is interesting too.
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Terre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:07 PM
Response to Reply #45
47. Obviously -
in 1811 that's what the Indian's called the Presidents, and just as obviously Tecumseh did know "what we know" now.

In any event, I could live without that prediction coming true. Everything else is up for grabs!
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:31 PM
Response to Reply #43
56. Indians being a spiritual people....
...I wonder if Alzheimer's is equated with death?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 02:08 AM
Response to Reply #56
81. Now that is a very cool observation!
I hadn't considered that. Obviously one can "die' other than physically!
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #43
108. See post 106
for more astro info.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #43
109. Glitch in the system - self delete
Edited on Sun Dec-19-04 02:38 PM by LunaC
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 02:34 PM
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110. Same glitch in the system - same self delete
Edited on Sun Dec-19-04 02:42 PM by LunaC
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:04 PM
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46. I leave for one day and come back to this drivel? Yikes. nt
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #46
48. I agree it would be more interesting if Kerry would join us
n/t
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Terre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:10 PM
Response to Reply #46
49. Slow news day
and sometimes it's just fun to grab at straws.
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:15 PM
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51. Slow news day? Cool. Off topic....Speaking of psychic stuff/ the movie
coming out in Jan. called White Noise looks scary as hell, Its all about EVR. Electronic voice phenomena. Recording ghosts talking. Creepy. Creepy Creepy stuff.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:36 PM
Response to Reply #51
57. I've done it. It is a very real phenomonom.
Edited on Sat Dec-18-04 11:37 PM by OmmmSweetOmmm
phenomona
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #46
105. Hey, but, wasn't it Nancy Reagan
who always consulted her Astrologist?
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:05 AM
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62. Saturn should take Bush down by this summer, or at least by the fall....
Edited on Sun Dec-19-04 12:06 AM by Ojai Person

if not sooner. O8)
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:17 AM
Response to Reply #62
66. Gee, I drive a Saturn!
:evilgrin:

But I have no plans to drive to DC.
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:44 AM
Response to Reply #66
71. lol!!! n/t
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:15 AM
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65. Who needs a psycic? Packers 28, Redskins 14
Looked like Redskins won, w/late touchdown - play reversed on penalty.
Next play = interception, leads to touchdown...then another.

Packers win.
Incumbent defeated.

Follow the game plan, folks!
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:37 AM
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68. Yes. LOL! n/t
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:38 AM
Response to Reply #65
69. exactly dude
w00t
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 01:54 AM
Response to Reply #69
79. Actually, it's Dude-ette.
Edited on Sun Dec-19-04 01:55 AM by RevCheesehead
:)
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 01:39 AM
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78. If this line is of interest here is another link
http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0005853.HTM
Mercury Pluto & The Vote Count

Exit polls on November 2 showed that John Kerry was winning a decisive victory, but when the vote was counted, it was G.W. Bush who won the decisive victory. This caused many to question the results generated by paperless computerized voting machines, and others to question the accuracy of exit polls. If the vote count was accurate, the exit polls were wrong. If the exit polls were accurate, the vote count was wrong.

A bar chart published on the Internet showed the results of exit polls compared to the results of machine votes. Looking at two key states, the exit polls from Florida showed Kerry winning by about 10 points, and the polls in Ohio had Kerry winning by about 52 to 43. Computer voting machine results reversed this. Bush won the machine tally in Florida by 52 to 48, and in Ohio by 54 to 43. This reversal of results was echoed across the country in many other computerized polling sites.


but also

http://www.isarastrology.com/content/view/48/40/

last part

I believe that the engines of greed, self-interest and absolute power are driving the policies of President Bush. Peace must be based on political, economic and social JUSTICE not just for the few, but for the whole world.  It can be achieved through education, ethical right action, and equitably sharing the resources of the world to make life on this planet an expression of the Divine Plan.

I believe this astrologer put the article in or around 2000.

enjoy
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Truman01 Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:35 AM
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86. I think we need to send money to this person to keep up the
good work.

TC
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madison2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:27 AM
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90. I hope it turns out to be so humiliating he regrets having run for
a second term.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:50 AM
Response to Reply #90
93. You can not humiliate Bush. It will always be someone's else's
fault. I read some things now that they have blamed Kerry and Clinton so much that they are reaching back to Carter.
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #93
142. Good grief! If this is certainly true, it's both sad and delusional. n/t
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passy Donating Member (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:59 PM
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102. Check this link out too!
This is the only place I could find that still has this article.
http://www.d12world.com/board/archive/index.php/t-143073.html the article has been slightly edited but from what I remember it's close to the original, for some reason I couldn't find it on yahoo news anymore.
This bit is encouraging "Bejan Daruwalla, another top astrologer, told Reuters he had yet to calculate who would win Tuesday's election. But Bush, even if he won, would not be allowed by his planets to complete a full term, he said. " and this ""It is cosmic writ that George W. Bush cannot become president of United States again."
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Terre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 03:08 PM
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113. Here's the original thread
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 02:26 PM
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106. Astrologically, mid-June looks ripe for shit hitting the fan
During the election, Bush* was experiencing a Saturn Return. For the non-astrologers, Saturn is a planet known for loss, limitation, hardship and difficulty. Every 29 years or so it completes its cycle and ends up where it started and a new cycle begins. In human situations this generally creates a drastic change of events. If you look back, sometime between the ages of 28 - 30 something happened to you to knock you off course and send you in an entirely new direction, drastically changing the status quo and your worldview in the process. Perhaps it was a marriage, the start of a new business, a move to a new city, a new job, an accident or illness...whatever it was, it was BIG (and not necessarily an easy transition. Saturn has a way of knocking you up-side the head if you're not paying attention and it can be kick-ass when it needs to be.) Now, if you don't get the first Saturn Return right (and we know Shrub's been a royal screw-up all his life), the second one is a real doozy. I thought this would be enough to keep him out of office but the Election Fraud changed the picture BUT ONLY TEMPORARILY!

Due to retrograde motion, Bush* will again experience the Saturn Return effect in mid-June but this time it's even juicier......Mars (action - ruler of his Power/Destiny) will be in his house of Courts and in conflict with Neptune (deceptions) in the house of his Foundations. At the same time Mercury (news) will conjunct the Sun (focus) in his house of Self-Undoing. The chickens WILL come home to roost! Bush's* Fraud will be revealed in the Courts, MSM will cover it extensively, and it should lead to his decline in power and stature.

I had been concerned about how all this would turn out - and wondering how/why the Saturn Return didn't have more of an influence on the Election - but seeing this follow-up Saturn Return, it all makes sense (at least to me) and I'm not worried any more.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 04:02 PM
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121. Peachy..but don't we need all of this before Jan 20th...
and where was this fortune teller pre-Black Tuesday? Did he not see OHIO in his crystal ball?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:03 PM
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138. Thanks for this, LunaC.
You never know where you are going to get useful information:)
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 02:28 PM
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107. You don't have to be Clairvoyant to see what's going on...!
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passy Donating Member (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 03:30 PM
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115. Lets say this guy is right isn't it time to start planning for a new USA?
Edited on Sun Dec-19-04 04:24 PM by passy
Now, after the shit has hit the fan and * n' Co have been well and truly ousted from the white house, what do we need to do?
One we will have to discredit and get rid of, all those in the MSM who complicitly went along with the govt line as well as all these right wing neo-fascists on the TV and the radio.
Second, trash the patriot act, sign the Kyoto agreement, get rid of exemptions to the Hague tribunal and begin to turn back the useless cycle of fear so exploited by *.
Thirdly reverse course and become a proud democratic nation intent on achieving world stability if not peace rather than be a materialistic, imperialistic nation hated by the rest of the world.

The list can go on and on, but the country will need to be purged of all that made it what it has become now, something that no American knowing all the facts can be proud of.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 05:58 PM
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128. re msm - if the psychic said that Bush will go down in history as the
most reviled man in history, then the United States television news and programming will go down as the most reviled in our history and the Senate and House of Representatives, plus the right wing departments of OUR U. S. Government will do down as the most reviled in our history.

Everything rides on what our Senators and Representatives do before, during and after the people speak to preserve this country. Personally, I think most of them are being blackmailed or something.



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Splinter Cell Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 03:37 PM
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116. I hope they impeach the chimp and throw his monkey ass in jail
I hope he gets it right in the ass while he's in the big house, like he's done to America.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 04:35 PM
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124. A psychic is the LAST person we should be listening to.
Someone should see what his percentage of correct prophecies is. I'm certain it will be no higher than chance.
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bemis12 Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 05:13 PM
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126. Next we'll have
the Republican clairvoyant giving the rebuttal. :crazy:
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 06:46 PM
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130. There are so many levels of knowledge and 'knowing' beyond the
corporal body and how we were taught that our senses and beliefs should behave and be limited to. There have been psychic Catholics, Jews, and Protestants to keep it in the bible arena.
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IndyPriest Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 10:10 AM
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152. Good point, higher class. n/t
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Niche Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 05:27 PM
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127. Bigger than Watergate Babies!
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bones_7672 Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 06:20 PM
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129. This is as accurate as all the statisticians&mathamaticians who cry fraud.
Another desperate attempt to try to turn defeat into victory.
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 08:48 PM
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134. really?
flat out poster, to what party do you belong?
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bones_7672 Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 08:17 AM
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149. Still don't get it! Not all Dems believe we can only lose by fraud
We had a pathetic candidate that couldn't beat their wounded candidate. All of the eggheaded stats in the world will not even get a sniff in court and will never get a hearing before a congressional committee. So YES, A LOOPY WORLD RENOWNED PSYCIC IS JUST AS GOOD!!!
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IndyPriest Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 10:20 AM
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153. Bones! get some meat on the argument!
One HUGE point of the "eggheaded stats" is that Kerry WON. And by a large margin. Among other things, that would say he wasn't a "pathetic candidate," wouldn't it? We'll see whether those stats get a "sniff" in court, but they ARE the major opening points in the Arnebeck suit. Whether they get "sniffed" or not doesn't change their truth-value. But one thing I am sure of is that your "argument" doesn't pass the smell test.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 08:39 PM
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133. gawd, I hope he's right, I just know Bush and Rove were in tight
with the Nevada election results and those damn new and old Sequoias used statewide.
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:45 PM
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136. Just know that he will experience his own karma
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:58 PM
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137. O.M.G. Now we have Coast to Coast on our side??!!??
These are the same people that bring us Mel's Hole, Chem Trails, and Alien Implants. Yippee, now the MSM will take us seriously!!

BTW, I read that if you spray paint gold over your tinfoil hat, it will deflect the aliens brain monitoring scans by up to 22%.
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 05:27 PM
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155. I'll take coasttocoastam over FAUX News anyday.
A few weeks ago Captain Joyce Riley was on the program reporting on Gulf War Syndrome. Over 10,000 veterans of that 1st Gulf war are now dead. Over 200,000 are disabled as of 2002. I'm still waiting to hear that from the MSM.

And are you saying you've never seen chemtrails? Just look in the sky from time to time.

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Kellis Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:13 PM
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139. im not exactly a believer
Psychics/Clairvoyants but Im glad to hear this bit of news :)

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malatesta1137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 12:47 AM
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145. did he say
anything about how many Elvis sightings there will be in the coming year, anything about the return of Big Foot or the Virgin Mary?

I was hoping that at least he would say something about John F. Kennedy coming out and explaining to the world why he faked his own death.
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BreakForNews Donating Member (241 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 03:05 AM
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146. Lotta Cred?
George Noory is on board !
And Alex Jones !
And A Clairvoyant !

That should really bring us a lotta credibility.... :)
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 10:44 AM
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154. how about
Zogby, which is the interesting part of this. If George has been told things he couldn't reveal, I am thinking an actual PERSON told him something he can't reveal. Was it Zogby? He didn't say so, but one could connect the dots. That is the thing that makes the exchange interesting.

Art Bell did his annual "prediction" show for next year. So a caller called in wanting to predict election fraud would be discovered in Ohio next year. Art wouldn't take it because he said it wasn't what he was looking for-- the guy admitted he didn't have any special foreknowledge, but just wanted it to happen.

I am listening to streamlink now, and a caller just called in predicting three simultaneous invasions-- Iran into Iraq, North Korea into South Korea, and China into Taiwan. Eek. Then someone else predicted that Israel would take out nuclear reactor in Iran, triggering an all out war and the destruction of the Middle East. This latter fellow has at least some sort of track record.

Someone else predicts red armpits all over America!! I am thinking this is actually some sort of metaphor for Republican control
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BushSpeak Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 09:08 AM
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150. Here's an interesting vedic horoscope on Bush
This one puts his fall a bit later: end of 2005 - 2006 and chalks it up to the international and economic boomerang.

Take it for what it's worth, but it puts things into an interesting perspective. Bear in mind that it was written after the election.

"First of all, this is not a horoscope of a true ruler, it is rather that of a puppet being forced to perform because he has no choice."

"He is bound to be sacrificed by those that move him, which experience will change him deeply and force him to come to realizations from unseen quarters. <snip> He will face the wrath of people for wars, the economic collapse and for his lies – which he believes have been committed for the sake of the nation."

"At a certain point his handlers will abandon him and it will be open season on Bush."

"He does not know why, but the more he fights any party, the stronger his enemies become. Since he is more fanatical than his handlers realize, this will bring America into bitter and unnecessary conflicts. "

An Essential Indian Astrological Analysis of G. W. Bush
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/gwbhoroscope11nov04.shtml

Could be interesting to see how Cheney handles the projectors - sorta like a mole coming out into the sunlight.

Looks like we're in for a bumpy ride in 2006 - 2007, so fasten your seat belts. And don't forget to stash all your gold and silver under the mattress.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 09:51 AM
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151. Hoping and Praying.
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