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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 02:15 AM
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We've Been Had
Believe it or not, here's a conservative Republican speaking out against all the blatant fraud in the 2000, 2002, and 2004 elections:

http://www.serendipity.li/jsmill/bushwon.htm

This is a good one to share with any Republican or at least conservative family members you may have.

It's gonna be an intense state-by-state reformist fight to end this fraud wave if we can do it at all. We absolutely need to enlist the help of fair-minded conservatives like this if we are to have any hope restoring fair elections to many states by 2006.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 02:17 AM
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1. Forget 2006. Focus on what you are doing on & before 06 Jan 2005...
..to save our American franchise of democracy. Otherwise, it's OVER.

Peace.

"I'm an American patriot, not a pro-fraud theocrat"
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 02:27 AM
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2. Link for any rallies being organized yet?
Edited on Sun Dec-19-04 02:27 AM by Turn CO Blue
It would be great if we did the 51-capital thing.

I may yet go to DC for Jan 6. But I would definitely take off work (with bells on!) to go down to the Denver capitol building.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 02:32 AM
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4. I've posted some resources here regarding activities focused on 6 Jan 2005
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 02:44 AM
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6. Excellent. Bookmarked. Thanks n/t
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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 02:36 AM
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5. I'm all for doing everything possible in the next few weeks!
But it can't solve the whole problem. Even if we win this in Ohio, how much will Kerry be able to do with a Republican congress installed by outrageous election rigging several times in a row?

I am looking into opportunities teaching English in Japan, if America does lose it's Democracy, I'm not gonna hang around long enough to get thrown in jail for fighting to defend Democracy against the Enemy Within!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 02:45 AM
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7. Stick around. We need you. And, I think you'll find you are in...
...very good and powerful company. By the way, Japan and the rest of the world are in deep shit if we don't halt the fraud by 6 Jan 2005.

And, if Senator Kerry does his duty, he's going to have much support and not just from us. Why do you think Republicans like Eisenhower Jr endorsed him before the election. Many, many Americans who actually care about our Constitution are not going to back down.

This is it. Our franchise is on the line. If we fail, no place on the planet is going to be stable.

Peace.

"I'm an American patriot, not a pro-fraud, dumbass theocrat"
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:05 AM
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28. That's our problem. We need everyone to stick around and fight this to
the bitter end.
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regularjoe Donating Member (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 02:28 AM
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3. Thanks. Kick. n/t
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Griffy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 02:49 AM
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8. BE IN DC on january 6th THATS THE DATE ..... plan now nt
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 02:51 AM
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9. Yes, I too will be there, to hail the new dictator, could I moon him ??
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 03:05 AM
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10. I'll pass this on to every Republican I know
Not that I know too many, other than my Kerry-supporting Republican spouse, but I've got a few Republican friends left...I think.
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sepia_steel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 03:26 AM
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12. mannnnn
even this guy sees it. so how can anyone not SEE it???
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:47 AM
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26. AND PLAN ON STAYING UNTIL THE 20TH!
Tents on the WH Lawn!
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 03:11 AM
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11. That's a good "bridge" article.
Thanks for posting.

I live in NC and it may still be too liberal for me to send to my Rebpulican friends here. I have sent it to them anyway.

Being in a red state is tough. It's like living in a place where they speak a different language. Everyone here has totally bought into the 'fear propaganda'.

There is very little middle ground.
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 04:58 AM
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13. That is a good article. Thanks. n/t
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 05:25 AM
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14. I love this part..............................
At left: George W. Bush in an increasingly typical pose (giving the middle finger salute to someone). Talk about character. Can you imagine George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, John F. Kennedy or, even, Richard Nixon ever doing this publicly? Why is this man's obvious mental imbalance, intemperance and lack of propriety not apparent to every American? This is precisely the image of America now held by the rest of the world.

http://www.serendipity.li/jsmill/bushwon.htm
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 05:42 AM
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15. Not to mention if a Dem did it
The press and talking heads would be all over them, they would be destroyed! but with Bush no one says a THING!! The "fix" is so obvious.
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procopia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 07:57 AM
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17. Haven't seen this picture before...amazing!
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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:56 AM
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27. Take that list of presidents and add that they're holding the
American flag while they're doing it. That's what gets to me. It's the opposite of wrapping yourself in the flag; tuck the flag under your arm and flip off America.
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 05:59 AM
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16. Excellent! I will add it to the blaster as an alt "Tell a Friend" letter
A prefect gift for those conservative friends on your christmas list.

One suggestion Dancing_Dave. Your post could've used a better (more descriptive) subject line. I almost didn't open it - it would've been a great loss for me, and most likely thousands of other people (considering what I'm about to do with it).

But thanks for sharing it!
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 08:41 AM
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18. Who's we?
Many are aware that several conservatives out there know the deal. There were many more Bush voters that jumped ship to vote for Kerry than vice versa, and most people who believe their eyes and ears over their evening news know this.

We weren't had. In fact, the only people that were truly had are those still defending the results. Soon their eyes will be opened.
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read the law first Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:04 AM
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19. Pukes keep throwing in my face that WE were the ones who wanted...
...computerized voting after the Selection in Florida.

I don't have a good comeback because I think that they might be correct about the facts (even a broken puke clock is right twice a day). All I can say is "If you'd add a paper receipt, computerized voting would be great, so you only implemented HALF of the fix of computerized voting so that you could continue to cheat." I am not satisfied with this response but it's all I've got right now.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:46 AM
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30. Repub comittees
Edited on Sun Dec-19-04 11:46 AM by hootinholler
have been sitting on a bill for over a year that would have added voter verifiable paper trails.

-Hoot
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:23 AM
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20. There was systematic electronic machine manipulation & evidence
There is solid evidence of systematic voting machine manipultion/fraud in most swing states. There is strong evidence that Kerry won New Mexico, and that similar patterns of manipulation were used in other states including Ohio and Florida. See the current threads on touchscreen fraud and New Mexico fraud. But it wasn't just touchscreens.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:29 AM
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21. OMFG!!
THIS IS WHAT BH WAS TALKING ABOUT -- the voting machines that dial out!

Even if they aren't obviously in error or secretly rigged, these new machines can still have their tabulations changed, with nobody the wiser.  One of my favorite Internet columnists, Devvy Kidd, two weeks ago predicted "monstrous problems that will make Florida 2000 pale in comparison."  Quoting from the December 1996 issue of Cincinnatus News Service, a vote fraud newsletter, Devvy went on to note, "The missing link in the vote fraud investigation has been found. The November 1996 issue of Relevance Magazine reveals that two-way hidden modems are being built into the ever growing number of computerized optical scanner/direct recording voting machines in use all across the country from New England to California...these hidden modems are accessible by remote cell phone technology...these voting machines can be accessed and manipulated from a central super computer without a phone line connected to the wall, and without the local precinct workers knowing that anything is happening at all."  I wonder why Dan Rather didn't tell us about this?

Just look at all the "user login" notations in this rare audit log from Washington State's King County, where a number of voting tabulation irregularities are now under investigation.  No notation is made, of course, of what those anonymous users did, once logged into the database.  Go here for an interesting report and speculation about how and by whom the voting machines are being hacked - particularly, note the Republican connection through an attorney.

Convinced yet?  I am.
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:30 AM
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22. *great* bridge piece, Indeed
One thing I couldn't get right in my head was all of the Republicans I know (not many, but most of who I know) who wanted to "Get * Out!" I mean, even those with strong religious/pro-life/conservative leanings could see what a farce this man is... (every sperm is sacred, but when you turn 18 let's be sure you defend our country, and oh, yes, there's this little thing about insurgents and streetbombs, but stay the course, mission accomplished and all that jazz, its for the good of the country) I definitely will be sending this on to those who still believe * won fair and sqaure, too (Kenneth Blackwell, for one!)
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bemis12 Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:42 AM
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23. And don't miss this crap by the same source:
His anti-semetic anti-Jew diatribe " It's the Jews, Stupid!!!":
http://www.regmeister.net/index3.htm



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jmknapp Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:46 AM
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25. Thank you. People have to be careful of the fallacy...
Edited on Sun Dec-19-04 10:46 AM by jmknapp
... that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

It's also of interest that LaRouchies, another anti-semitic group, have a presence at most election fraud hearings and so on. They even call themselves "The LaRouche Youth Movement"!
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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 02:10 PM
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31. I don't agree with this right-wing guy about many things
Which is kind of the point as I said.

If you have the misfortune of having a number of right-wing relatives as I do, it's the perfect thing to send!
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:44 AM
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24.  the fraud pattern case has been documented; see these threads
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:18 AM
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29. This may make me sound stupid...
or maybe even rethuglican, but how legitimate is this over-exposed picture of *? People aren't stupid you know. They do realize how easily a photo can be doctered. On top of that I have a hard time forwarding a story that says it was originally posted on a website called conspiracy pen pal. These stories actually make us look like idiots!
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 03:41 PM
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32. I've seen this photo of * before. Wasn't it determined that it was
Edited on Sun Dec-19-04 03:43 PM by juajen
photoshopped? If not, I want to post it far and wide. Anybody know if it has been vetted by our photoship police?

Edit: This is the problem I have when trying to show my friends how * really is. They all claim that every picture is photoshopped. I have no reply to that, because so many pictures have been. A conundrum.
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