Don't worry about Jan. 6, 2005. It makes NO difference.

[TruthIsAll]

Sooner or later, Bush is TOAST. He is going down.

He will effectively be a lame duck from Day One - if he's inaugurated.

Books will be written, films will be made, and the facts of this election will become common knowledge - just like F 9/11.

Michael Moore is probably working on it right now. The film can be out there by the summer.

This is too big for investigators, true journalists, comedians and entertainers to ignore.

Kerry, Byrd, Gore, Carter and Clinton can't remain silent forever

The only way Bush doesn't go down is if all journalists and investigators are incarcerated or worse.

First they ignore you.
Then they laugh at you.
Then they fight you.
And then you win.

Or something like that.

[mattclearing]

1. I certainly hope you're right. Otherwise, the US truly has gone crazy.

eom

[Helga Scow Stern]

2. Thank you, TIA. I agree, although it is still a good thing to raise hell.

[Helga Scow Stern]

29. IT IS VITAL TO PROTEST 1/6. n/t

[Peace Patriot]

60. Yes, I totally agree, TruthIsAll, BUT...

...Ojai Person is right that protest is absolutely essential, and must be visible and unrelenting from now until the day that the helicopter lifts off the landing pad carrying a disgraced Bush, whenever that day arrives.

And we should never, ever lose sight of the goal of justice, no matter how remote its achievement may be. John Kerry won this election, as the result of the most amazing democracy movement I have ever seen in this country. He should be president. That is justice. And we must keep it clear and pristine, and the goal of all action.

Who knows what may happen? No one knows! If you had asked me in 1972, could I believe that Nixon would be impeached within the year, I would have said, "You're dreaming!" He seemed all powerful.

Similary, as to the Vietnam War. Could I have believed in the 1960s that the US would LOSE that war, would retreat in disarray, and that the little brown people in straw hats could and would defeat the most powerful nation on earth? No way!

In 1965, could I have believed, realistically, that we would see black sheriffs and mayors in the south within decade? Not possible (except to some special dreamers).

Could I have imagined that Nelson Mandela would get out of prison after 30 years, and be elected--ELECTED!--president of South Africa, without major bloodshed? I might have wished for it, but I would not have thought it possible, in the late '80s, just before it happened.

TruthIsAll, I don't think I've ever argued with you--but I'm arguing now with your title. It seems to mean: Don't protest. Don't envision the best out come. Settle for lesser goals. "It doesn't matter."

What happens on Jan. 6 DOES matter! It matters that we see clearly what justice would look like if we had it. It matters who stands up for justice and who doesn't. It matters for all the people to see what happens, and to know what the just outcome was and is. It matters to be in the streets of DC, if you can, to insist on justice.

Could Nelson Mandela see justice through all the horrendous obstacles before him? Could Martin Luther King? Yes, I believe they could, and we need to take inspiration from them. Imagine what a just outcome would be, and then fire up your heart to dream that goal into reality--without ever losing sight of the real world around us, and what may happen in it, and how much pain and sorrow and disappointment and fear we may have to endure before "justice flows like a mighty river" through our troubled land.

[TruthIsAll]

62. The point of my post had NOTHING to do with the PROTEST.

I was only saying that regardless of the Democratic senators response or non-response to the CBC, that Bush was TOAST.

I hope 10 MILLION converge on DC.

The more the better.

[Griffy]

66. ABSOLUTLY VITAL all the talk in the world wont work.. you must stand up

1 million protesters will not be a conspiracy.. ppl will see us... this is a long fight.. show bush your angry enough to GET UP and PERSONALY show up at his door!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

3. I totally agree ! Justice will prevail. In some ways - it may be

a lot sweeter than Kerry in the White House now. If Kerry had squeeked in -- no one would probably get to know all this. Plus the post this morning about ESS employee resigning -- good news -- whistleblowers are the key

[catgirl]

5. He may be a "Lame Duck" but he'll still do tons of damage

He still won't cooperate with the rest of the world meaning the Iraq situation will drag on, his war on the environment will be devastating, and people's rights will shrink beyond belief. There's no consolation with the Lame Duck theory.

[driver8]

10. You are absolutely right, Catgirl.

I keep coming back to the line from Seinfeld, "It's not a lie, if you believe it."

Bush and his minions actually believe that shrub has a mandate. To them, that is all that matters. They can do whatever they want. These guys will do a lot of damage before Shrub goes down.

It makes me sick to think of four more years of these criminals in office.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

15. I agree with you both 100%. 4 more years is UNBELIEVABLY

horrible. The list of whys is enormous. I was just saying that exposing him and hopefully getting him out that way has advantages over beating him in an election. It exposes to everyone in the US and the world the despicable actions of this group so that hopefully it won't happen again.

[Quakerfriend]

9. The great sleeping giant

of democracy will awaken! .....Perhaps, not as fast as we would want.....but, it's inevitable. What I wonder is, When will the admin. ratchet up the backlash? First, silence the media......next marshal law?

[Truman01]

4. Are you beginnning to think nothing good will happen Jan 6? nt

[catgirl]

6. The Bush criminals MUST be stopped

We need that Senator to head the fight.

[malatesta1137]

7. oh sure

the 'toast' you mention has just been chosen by the white supremacist Time Magazine 'Man of the Year'. Nothing will change.

Books, films HAVE been made and Republicans are laughing at them.

Kerry, Byrd, Gore, Carter and the Clintons will remain silent because they are worried about their careers and legacy, not about justice.

If they do speak out in some mild, pathetic and wimp manner, they will be ridiculed by the media.

America is over.

[merh]

12. Another DUer in GDPolitics claims that Hitler was named

Time's Man of the Year in 1938. The title means nothing if the crimes can be proven. Hell, the crimes can be proven if we can get someone to pursue them.

We just have to keep fighting and trying to expose all of his crimes.

NGU

link to discussion with images of Stalin & Hitler Times "man of the year" covers

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1441085

[malatesta1137]

18. Hitler was brought down

by global forces, I don't see this happening to Bush, do you?

If you are expecting internal forces to fight this criminal, forget it, they have tried their best last month and failed.

[merh]

23. Let's see, Putin warning the weed that he has nuclear weapons

is pretty interesting part of a global force that is aware of the weeds crimes and the dangers his admin presents. (In essence, the weed has reactivated the cold war with Russia. They may not be the USSR, but they still have nuclear weapons.) France does not trust the weed, Iran refuses to give up it nuclear program because of the weed's desire for regime change in Iran and has told the told the international community just that. The weeds admin is trying to weaken the powers of the UN but the international community won't allow it and basically ignore our nation's efforts.

Global forces are aware and are all taking measures to deal with us, should they need to. That is the scary part, the USA is the nation that all others nation recognize as being the threat to world peace.

Internal forces are struggling. They haven't given up. Funny thing about fighting evil leaders, you have to do it in secret or the evil leader will stop the efforts.

[catgirl]

24. Perhaps it will be the repugs who bring him down

Sure they're self-serving, but when another cold war is upon us (and it's getting chilly), some may change their tune.

[malatesta1137]

28. we need global forces to ACT

not simply be 'aware'.

[merh]

30. "Act" - what, start a nuclear war?

They probably are doing a lot behind the scenes that we don't know about and I would prefer it that way. To all the folks that want to see everything that is being done to oppose the weed and his admin, I simply say "grow up". You don't let your enemy know what you are doing to remove him from power. If you do, then he will be able to counter and all your efforts are for naught.

I think Iran sitting at the table with all of the other international powers and telling them that they will not totally give up their nuclear program until the USA gives up its regime change efforts is pretty powerful.

What, do you want a nuclear war?

[catgirl]

34. Obviously "Act" was not referring to Bushs' global enemies

and dropping bombs on the US. Get with the program. "Act" meaning putting a stop to Bush through legal channels (perhaps charging him with war crimes).

[merh]

35. Why must you include slamming statements in your post?

"Get with the program." I don't deserve that, if the post needed clarification, which obviously it did since you provided it, then clarify the post. Slamming comments are not necessary. Be angry at the weed, not me. My posts are simply pointing out that more is going on than we know and expecting to be "in the know" is futile and counter-productive.

I agree "war crimes" would be great, only thing is the weed won't join in the treaty that provides for that because he wants to "protect our soldiers". Many people behind the scenes are doing so much more than we could ever know. The fear of a nuclear war and of doing to the USA's civilians what the weed has done to the Iraqi citizens are just a couple of the concerns that probably come into the minds of the "global" leaders.

[catgirl]

42. Clarification

Sorry about the "get with the program", it wasn't meant to hurt you. And I also meant that global leaders (leaders of countries, not terrorist groups or dictatorships) should charge the Bush admin. with war crimes. This would be the sweetest prize. Please forgive me. CG

[merh]

50. I understand your frustration. I agree, global leaders should

bring war crime charges, weed knows he & his admin would face such charges, that is why he is often heard to say "we don't want to subject our troops to war tribunals."

Don't worry about the comment, just keep in mind that many are frustrated, scared, angry (very emotional) about the subjects discussed here and posts that seem combative need to be tempered. We have to remember who we are fighting. We don't need to fight/slam each other, we have a common desire to see the weed's admin stopped and prosecuted for their numerous crimes.

A belated welcome to DU! :hi:

m.

[malatesta1137]

53. oh yeah

living in NYC I want a nuclear war alright, are you insane?

I meant ACTION, not just empty words. I say Europe should STOP BUYING EVERYTHING AMERICAN RIGHT AWAY.

[merh]

55. Do you mean like the sanctions against Suddam.

Those were very effective, the Iraqi citizens suffered the most, not Suddam. Maybe the international community is trying to figure out what to do, how to thwart the weed's world dominance plans. Sanctions against the U.S. is a possibility, but I would rather see the international community taxing and sanctioning US companies in their nations. Hit corporate amerika where it hurts, in their pocket books. Then they will take care of the weed.

I am no foreign policy guru, I understand your desire to have something happen, for the international community to "act", but you don't know that they are trying to decide the best way to do it.

Just like many here said that if the Iraqi citizens truly wanted to be free of Suddam, then it was their place to act and not the USA's, maybe this is what the international leaders are thinking. Hell, they know the weed was re-elected, maybe by fraud, but it is our nation and our place to stand up for what is ours.

What happens to the world economy if or when the USA's economy collapses? I don't know.

[FULL_METAL_HAT]

61. Good line there...

Funny thing about fighting evil leaders, you have to do it in secret or the evil leader will stop the efforts.

it's been my hope since before the sElection even that what's going on is an effort to give the * as much rope as they need to get evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt for the jury of the american people (who sadly are more like OJs jury!) -- that what is going on right now is part of a huge "sting" operation with the trap to be sprung "any time soon" ... sadly since as you point out they would have to be doing it in secret, we will be the _last_ to know!

[New Earth]

43. yup, sure is

lets all just commit mass suicide at once. good idea.

[TruthIsAll]

47. They will speak out on this. But when?

You say:
Kerry, Byrd, Gore, Carter and the Clintons will remain silent because they are worried about their careers and legacy, not about justice.

That remains to be seen.


Byrd is retiring. He has given great speeches onn the floor.
He will speak out on this as well. But when?

Gore is a free man to say what he wants and has made some great speeches.
He will speak out on this as well. But when?

Carter has already made statements critical of Bush.
He will speak out on this as well. But when?

As for the Clintons...I do not expect anything from them.

If they are worried about their careers, they may keep silent.
If they are worried about their legacy, they will speak out.

Which is more important to them?

[bearfan454]

8. Please be right TruthIsAll

Please. I am really scared for my 4 year old granddaughter and what kind of a future she won't have because of these ultra right wing neocon nazi facist oil whore criminals.

[Imajika]

11. Back to your 'Bush is Toast' silliness I see...

TIA, it has become absolutely clear that you've very little idea what your talking about when it comes to politics.

"Sooner or later, Bush is TOAST. He is going down."

There is simply no evidence of this. Your making this statement about a guy whom just won reelection WITH coattails. I suppose even a broken clock is right twice a day, so it is always possible you'll get one right eventually.

"He will effectively be a lame duck from Day One - if he's inaugurated."

Bush goes into this term stronger than he has ever been. A lame duck in the sense that he can't run again - yes, but he is a radical on a mission and doesn't have to worry about reelection which is precisely why you see him haul out 3rd rails like Social Security reform.

"Books will be written, films will be made, and the facts of this election will become common knowledge - just like F 9/11."

Big deal. There must be hundreds of anti-Clinton titles still being written, and they are all so much garbage ignored by most. There is an entire political book industry which has become very popular - and it is good to see the left join the fray, but books and movies don't necessarily mean much. They certainly didn't create an atmosphere for Bush's defeat in 04'. For every good anti-Bush book, there will be an anti-Democrat of some kind book as a counter balance. A bunch of books and movies don't necessarily have any significant impact on the electorate.

"Michael Moore is probably working on it right now. The film can be out there by the summer."

Good on him, I will look foward to it. And?

"This is too big for investigators, true journalists, comedians and entertainers to ignore."

What is too big? Are we talking about "the fraud" that there is still no proof of? If there was some actual evidence of this conspiracy, thousands of investigators and journalists would be digging into it. The problem is, there is simply no evidence. And TIA, you statistics are not evidence of anything other than that your assumptions are bad.

"Kerry, Byrd, Gore, Carter and Clinton can't remain silent forever"

No, they will correctly attack Bush when it is tactically and strategically wise, and hopefully ratchet up their opposition to Bush while at the same time offer an optimistic, clear, easy to understand alternative to the Republicans. If your talking about remaining silent on the "vote fraud", I think your going to be sorely dissappointed. It's pretty clear that they don't believe in the conspiracy, and without any real evidence they are likely never to even mention it.

"The only way Bush doesn't go down is if all journalists and investigators are incarcerated or worse."

Geeze. All jounalists and investigators are not going to be incarcerated, and Bush may or may not go down depending on future events. I certainly wouldn't count on your "Bush is toast" mantra, you've made that claim repeatedly and haven't been right yet.

Imajika

[Laura PourMeADrink]

16. Leave TIA alone! He's a brilliant believer

[MarkusQ]

38. He doesn't have to be "right twice a day"--twice a century would suffice

And we can even count Nixon as his first call.

Jan 6 is important, but it's not over 'till we say it's over.

--MarkusQ

[TruthIsAll]

41. Hey Imajika,you just LOVE Bush. don't you?Come on. Admit it.

Its obvious to all of us.

You are the designated DU pet TROLL.

But, I just can't despise you as much as you despise me.

After all, we need folks like you to illustrate what we are NOT.

[Imajika]

49. Actually...

"Hey Imajika,you just LOVE Bush. don't you?Come on. Admit it."

..I don't believe you could be any further from the truth.

IMO, Bush has proven himself a failure on so many important issues that I've lost count. Worse yet, I can barely tolerate watching him speak as it is like fingernails on a blackboard.

"You are the designated DU pet TROLL."

Awwww. Poor TIA. Don't like push back, call someone a troll. Instead of countering with an intelligent post, you whine and cry and sling groundless accusations. Why not defend all the instances you've claimed "Bush is toast" and been dead wrong? You have to admit, your record is indeed dismal at best.

"But, I just can't despise you as much as you despise me."

Geeze, we are on an Internet message forum, I couldn't hate you if I tried. Hell, in person, I might even quite like you - but that doesn't mean I still wouldn't think you were wrong constantly and call you on it whenever I had the chance.

Your dedicated to your beliefs and causes, and I quite admire that. You put your time and energy into ridding the nation of Bush - put your money where your mouth is so to speak, and that is commendable.

TIA, do you really believe it is healthy to be preaching to the choir and have no one challenge your views and assertions? If you can't take the heat from someone somewhat sympathetic to your views, how do you expect to take your message and analysis into the mainstream?

"After all, we need folks like you to illustrate what we are NOT."

You've no idea who I am, nor what I have contributed over a lifetime to left leaning causes and to the Democratic Party. I am largely a moderate, and even conservative Democrat on some issues, and have always detested the religious right and government by business for business. I have never voted for a Republican, and can't see that changing. I do not believe in many of the far left views advanced here, but some are innovative and if moderated could be the seed for great new ideas and programs. This forum represents a very active segment of the base of the Democratic party, it does not represent the average Democrat in America. You shouldn't forget that. Do you really think it wise to exclude those center-left Democrats whom reject many fringe left ideas, question conspiracy theories, and believe a radical left change in direction for the party could be catastrophic and lead to generations of GOP control?

Isn't it true that you've said "Bush is toast" over and over the past few years, and so far have been completely and utterly wrong? Why not address this failure to accurately predict the course of events, instead of resorting to namecalling? Isn't it true that no person with any real influence in the Democratic party, or media, take your statistical analysis seriously? Come on, be honest? Why not admit as much and try to determine why hundreds of serious Democratic campaign strategists and operatives wouldn't touch your "research" with a 10 foot poll?

There is not a conspiracy around every corner. Sometimes things are what they are. You can't go running around yelling about "the fraud" without any real evidence and expect to be taken seriously - that is unless all you do is talk to those whom want so desperately to believe that they become vulernable to frauds like Bev Harris (whom I argued was full of crap from the beginning). You can't declare that Bush is finished again and again the minute a new flap or scandal hits the news and expect for people to continue buying the mantra when so far you've been wrong at every turn.

Why not use the opportunity of a challenge by someone like myself to critically think about the opinions and analysis your putting forward?

Imajika

[merh]

65. Simple question for you Imajika.

How can you explain the exit polls? The exit polls that had Kerry winning by a very comfortable margin and then the results that you say are accurate today?

Just wondering. It is the exit polls that the weed and his admin have used to support their position that there was fraud during the elections in Ukraine.

Can you explain the admin's odd acceptance and support of exit polls in the Ukraine and the refusal to question the results of the election at home based solely on the exit polls?

I am dying to hear your response and while you are at it, please tell me what mistakes you have found when reviewing TIA's analysis.

[saracat]

51. And Moore doesn't believe there was election fraud. He has

so repeatedly! Why doe people read something else into it? There is a thread that has him quoted at least six times. He just said so to Rolling Stone. Why do people persist in putting wors in Moore's mouth to get him to say what they want?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

52. Right on time, as usual Imajika!.....

LOL!! TIA is my new hero! :thumbsup:

[hootinholler]

13. I disagree...

It is importatnt that we show numbers in WDC on Jan 6. If anything that you think will happen after that is to happen, we need to rattle the cage in DC on the 6th.

Congress has not heard us yet. The MSM has bought into our being a few hundred or thousand and that we can be ignored.

We must have tens of thousands numbers in DC on the 6th. The protests on the 20th to follow are important, but, the 6th is a day that will not be overshadowed by a 30 million dollar parade. I will be there. I will loose a days pay to be there. Come stand with me.

I also think the title is counter-productive.

-Hoot

[Laura PourMeADrink]

19. Do you know the time we need to be there on the 6th??

Gotta get my "story" for work ready

[hootinholler]

25. 10

redefeatbush.com pepole hold the permit.

See you there, I'll be the big guy in the tinfiol covered cowboy hat.

-Hoot

[Laura PourMeADrink]

27. I live it. Think I will start feeling ill around 9ish!

[TruthIsAll]

44. I did not mean to infer that the protest was of no great importance

I only wanted to say that eventually, Bush will be called out on this crime against the American people.

Hopefully, sooner rather than later.

[KittyWampus]

14. You Are Right, And Your Own Statistical Analysis Will Have Played A Part

:)

[WI_DEM]

20. self delete

it doesn't do any good.

[WI_DEM]

17. Bush will be inaugurated on Jan. 20, 2005

There is a problem with the voting machines in this country but it will not be linked to Bush--even if he had something to do with it--they are smart enough not to leave a trail. Hopefully though investigations will be conducted and a paper trail will be put in effect before 2008.

Bush is a lame duck but he still has four years to cause any and all type of damange. Our only hope is that the Democrats will begin to actively oppose him. He will not be impeached. Congress is more Republican right now than at any time in Bush's presidency and they will not allow it. Dems were able to begin impeachment against Nixon in '73-74 because they held congress. Republicans were able to vote to investigate and then impeach Clinton because they held the congress.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

21. It will be linked, eventually. Whistleblowers will come out and

there are way too many of us who will never give up on exposing this horrendous crime. It will also take, IMHO, the foreign press to expose this world wide, then the US press will follow, then the public.

[ihelpu2see]

26. I actually think Cheney may face impeachment

and will step down due to the Lying about the Iraq war to congress and the american people.... Ofcourse, it will open the door for some quack in '08....

[Laura PourMeADrink]

31. C* on trial would be the highlight of my life. If I HAD to have a

Repug -- it would probably be McCain. At least we have a head start in that he hates Rumsfeld - and I think, deep inside, probably has subliminated his B* hatred -- which we could nurture. But hell, that's stupid. B* would never pick him.

[IndyOp]

22. TIA - I am trying not to worry about 1/6, and I am going to DO something

about it. I like that you are reassuring us that the truth will out whether or not a Senator stands -- and I think we have to take every opportunity we have to make a dent in the denial blanketing our fellow citizens.

I believe that 1/6 matters -- having a Senator stand to contest the election is more than theater -- it is an indication that the Dems are going to stand up and FIGHT instead of acquiescing again, and again, and again. We needs our Dems to come out fighting in the next Congress just like Howard Dean came out fighting after his loss in Iowa. Jan 6 is the first day of the fight.

Also, I was deeply ashamed when I saw the African Americans in the House who stood up to contest the 2000 selection. No one stood with them. This time they MUST NOT STAND ALONE. If I go to DC on 1/6 it will be to stand as close to the floor of house as I can get, in solidarity with the people who have the guts to stand up and tell the truth. There are too few people left who can see or think truth, must less stand up and tell it. <http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1429568>



As for me, I'm ready for the fight:

I'll hug their elephant and they can kiss my :kick:

[Laura PourMeADrink]

32. BIG kick!

[Al-CIAda]

33. Videos/ Documentaries-

EXCELLENT collection-

http://mysite.verizon.net/res7dhyg/id3.html

[anamandujano]

64. awesome moniker, welcome to DU

and I do agree with TIA but it's going to be interesting to see who steps up to the plate. These repukes are crazy and everyone who deals with them knows it.

It's not over on the 6th because as MarkusQ says--"it's not over 'till we say it's over"--and may I add, we will never let it be over.

[RubyCat]

36. I think you're right. Bush's policies are unsustainable, and it will be

reality that brings him down and not political maneuvering by the Democrats.

We're teetering on the brink of the Great Depression II. Families are going to get hit hard, and no amount of perception management by Rove can change that. The GOP's staged photo-op world will run head long into reality. Too bad there was no one in the White House in charge of reality management.

There will be a great collective "I told you so" by the Democrats, but there won't be any satisfaction in it since the country had to suffer a calamity before waking the Bush supporters up to the truth.


By the way, the extravagance of Bush's inauguration only shows that he's trying to legitimize an election he knows is fraudulent.

[understandinglife]

37. Disagree.

Some recommended actions before and on 6 Jan 2005:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=175954&mesg_id=175954

The current national election must be halted. If allowed to proceed, we are back to 1775, at best.

Peace.

"I'm an American patriot, not a pro-fraud theocrat"

[weeve]

39. Bush - Man of the Year ... whatever

Yep, the media fix is in ...BIG TIME! Bush just named Man of the Year ?!? Unbelievable. This will be staring out at people in grocery lines everywhere, making our job of educating the masses even harder. Goebbels would be proud. Even a so-called liberal friend out here on the "Left Coast" said to me the other night that Bush won "fair and square". Has the world really turned upside-down ?!?!?

(Love your optimism TIA ... got any to spare ?!?)

[Mister Ed]

40. Right. But on Jan. 6, RAISE HELL to raise awareness. n/t

[Al-CIAda]

45. The Mosh Continues

Videos : Government
The Mosh Continues

Eminem's Mosh - the New Ending Jan 6th? It depicts the peolpe storming the capital.

http://www.gnn.tv/videos/video.php?id=28

In this alternative ending for the video, we remind all those who were inspired by the first version to not give up the fight. In our corporation-controlled duopoly, sometimes you have to take other measures to have your voice heard. So if you are still searching for answers, know that our opinions still matter. Our hope is that it will show our battered teammates and the rest of the world that we are not here to say sorry but instead, the fight continues and we will be heard…

[greatscott15]

46. Need to get back to Reality and the Future

Bush won, so we now need to focus on the future. If not, we will be condemmed to 4-8-12 more years of republican rule. I know we want to believe there was massive fraud. I have read thousands of messages here since early Nov, I have not seen anything of substanstial proof. I wish there was, but it's not.

Come on folks, most of the media is on our side (exclude Fox). So if there was even a shred of something, they would be all over it. So why haven't they? Because, unfortunately, there is nothing major enough to change anything. And I personally believe that there was probably some fraud commited by our side as well. We are probably best to just let it go.

Bush got a significant win, although I will not call it a mandate. The repukes picked up seats in the house and senate. All we have left, if our friends on the courts. And that power base will slowly go away if we cannot get back in power.

I wanted Bush to loose, but we must remember we are a democracy. Our country is still at risk of a major terrorist attack. It would be at risk even if Kerry had won. Sometimes, we gotta look past partisan politics at what is best for us as a nation overall.

If americans continue to see us whining and moaning about 2000 and 2004. If they see us opposing Bush at EVERY turn, we look partisan and foolish. We gotta decide where to support Bush, and where to oppose him.

Trash me and my posts if you like. I don't like a lot of what Bush has done economically and internally. However, I do think he has done a good job of responding to foreign threats after 9-11. I might have handled Iraq different, but it was a long term problem. I believe we do have to be on the offensive on terrorism.

But if we want to get power back, we gotta convince the american public we are strong on terrorism. Even if it means we agree with Bush on this one.

[TruthIsAll]

48. Not true. Bush lost. Get over it.

tia

[weeve]

56. repuke, indeed

cute that you use terms like "repukes" , when you're basically regurgitating their spin hook line and sinker. yeah...the media is on our side. reality check.

[Niche]

54. He is going down, no doubt but I think it's a World effort now...

[Quakerfriend]

57. His undoing will be his economic policies, or lack thereof IMO

I still would love to see him arrested for crimes against humanity when he sets foot on foreign soil.....seems like a dream, right now though.

The ride is going to get a whole lot bumpier over the next couple of months, I fear.

[Pithy Cherub]

58. *'s legacy will be so tainted and vile

that it would give me great pleasure to watch him trying to "reinvent" himself in the coming years a la Nixon. bush does not have Nixon's smarts.

[AmerDem]

59. I'm starting to think this may be bigger then we all first thought.

After what I've been hearing this past week I'm starting to think that Dems in one way or another may have benefited from this same crooked voting system we are rallying against. There is no other reason for our so called party leaders not to be jumping all over this. I so hope I'm wrong about this but I honestly feel this to be the case in my heart.

Sad sick shit, look what we as a country have become.

[AntiFascist]

63. Well, frankly.....

what are the odds that there was aboslutely no, zero, zilch, nothing to see here folks move on....fraud on the side of the Dems?