OK. Katrina asks that funds to help her team should go to Arnebeck ...

[Junkdrawer]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=178406&mesg_id=178651&page=

From: Katrina Sumner
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 3:02 PM
To: David Edwards
Subject: Re: Person in Armenia raising money for YOU??


Appears so.. this person is on CASE_Ohio's list where a lot of my daily updates go since I've been with them kind of all along however not affiliated as to being on the steering committee or so. He's talked with Sheree another on there he knows well and is trying to help you out. I explained to him your efforts and he said he was going to join in. I think you two should stay in contact. Constantly since I can't pay attention completely what's happening there and what could be done. I don't want anyone getting ripped off. So please keep up with this for me. I'm very worried about this money thing as you know. I have gotten Cliff Arnebeck to pay for people are who are doing particular surveillance. He's paying them by the hour. At some point when this is done I suppose they'll be getting a check. I guess that's why his letter went out earlier asking for donations. So donations could go directly to him referencing me and my team I suppose. Those people that will surveill will not be the ones that I will be giving the gas cards to and such. That will be my main team I have on the ground. In any case I'll keep full documentation. And it would be best to do so on that side. Also like you have with forwarding me info on who is giving that way we know that they are getting their monies worth. If people who give do not get a direct email back from thanking them then I think they should worry. Because then we can know that someone out there may be giving me a bad name and your efforts as well. What do you think?.. bad idea? Btw, I just sent you a mail.

Katrina Sumner




To contribute to Arnebeck, see this thread...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=175942&mesg_id=175942

[Junkdrawer]

1. I just sent Cliff a donation at The Alliance for Democracy...

http://thealliancefordemocracy.org

I hope that's OK with all the skeptics on this board...

[lip-sink]

2. kick

[Vinnie From Indy]

3. How Many Accounts do You have David?

Why is this guy posting YOUR email?

I hope everyone reads the previous posting history of this poster as well as "dzika". In addition to finding very strange tales and similar language, there are several supportive posters that appear to post in packs. I think you can figure out what is going on with all of these requests for money for "katrina".

[Junkdrawer]

4. You think I'm David?

:shrug:

Vinnie, you're a hoot...

[dzika]

6. lol for Vinnie

nt

[insane_cratic_gal]

5. I joined

Case OH to see

No where in there does she ask for any funds, or assistance for the team. i went through the dates of Dec. 10th to today.

[lip-sink]

8. dear insane

she doesnt!

thats why i did ?!

yes? so contact her and see how you can help!

[ohio_liberal]

9. Did you happen to see any posts

That refer to her and others being threatened by the local sheriff's department, a plainclothes off-duty park ranger, and the city police?

[sickinohio]

15. I say this is a scam - oh-lib, we should drive down to xenia and

check out the rangers and police etc. :-)

[ohio_liberal]

19. Well

I'm not totally disputing the posts but so much of it is confusing. I know that park rangers (I'm assuming he's not a county FOREST ranger) has limited police capabilities but they only have jurisdiction in designated park areas. Is the BOE in a designated park area?

Are Katrina and her other volunteers reporting these incidents to any law enforcement agencies??

[sickinohio]

23. how far away from xenia are you?

[ohio_liberal]

27. I'm 3, 3 1/2 hours away. n/t

[insane_cratic_gal]

25. I'll go look for it

I saw the tire slashing incident posted on there, and being run off the road.

I didn't see any report on case oh about rangers, or missing people but I didn't give it a good haul either.

On her posts there she's perfectly sane, normal person. I'm not sure if this was to get attention from MSM or it's something that happened.

But i'll be fair and look. I don't have a closed mind about it, I just don't want anyone here at DU to get duped.

That is why I have a note of caution.

[sunnystarr]

32. What IS your problem Vinnie??

and why are you so worried about it? I said before we're all adults and can make our own decisions. Are you the DU police? Those of us who've been on this forum for a while know the situation and those involved. I guess there isn't any nice way to say "butt out" ... and I try to be nice but my patience with this has reached an end!

[Yuugal]

7. this is the 3rd thread I've seen with this bogus scam nt

[lip-sink]

10. how?

how can you be sure?

shouldnt you check on this b4 you shoot it down?

unless of course you have something against helping our cause if it should turn out to be real?

[Yuugal]

12. I was on the internet about 5 minutes before I learned about people like y

Scam away, I'm betting no one from NY sends you a thing

[troubleinwinter]

30. The last one was deleted by the Mods. Get it?!

[Vinnie From Indy]

11. That dispatch reads like all of Dzika's posts

The above email in the main thread, purportedly written by Katrina, bears a striking similarity to posts by dzika. The same atrocious grammar and mangled sentence structure seems to be shared by both Katrina and "dzika"/David. What are the odds?

[lip-sink]

16. for ohio lib: on the veracity of katrina's claim

good question:

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4780

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ohioaffidavit.html

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2004/12/shades-of-karen-silkwood-attacks-on.html

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/12/306092.shtml

[New Earth]

13. ok this is getting pretty ridiculous

who in their right mind would donate to anyone other than confirmed organtizations like votecobb.org and to Arnebeck himself?

this is all a waste of time and whoever is behind it needs to stop.

why on earth Katrina would depend on help from random posters on a message board is beyond me. it's time to move on now.

**also, might as well just stop replying to whoever you don't believe and get on with it. donate to legit orgs/sites and that is it. it's as easy as that.

THIS WAS NOT MEANT AS A REPLY TO THE ORIGINAL POST!!!! i am saying in general, for this whole Katrina ordeal that donations should only be sent to votecobb.org and to Arnebeck. did i not say that in the first place?

[insane_cratic_gal]

I agree Faye

If it is true and she's there poundin the pavements I have no doubt she is. That's fantastic.

But it's the manner in which is this being done? Do you not see it Lip?

She's posts a gazallion times on case oh.. if they want this to go public for "press release" then she should come forward herself and set the mold straight.

Freepers.. had said they planned on targeting DU for solicating money for causes. hence why you are meeting so much resistance?

[Junkdrawer]

18. Have you read the post? It asks for a donation to Arnebeck...

What are you saying?

:shrug:

[New Earth]

20. sorry, i wasn't referring to you

i was saying in general, referring to the bs posts on here from lip-sink, or whatever the hell is going on.....

[insane_cratic_gal]

21. Sorry Junk

You are right.

Donate Arnebeck! I agree 100 percent.

[Carolab]

22. The Alliance for Democracy IS

a "confirmed organization". They have been around for a long time. Ronnie Dugger is involved. Arnebeck is working with them.

[New Earth]

24. ahhhhh nooooo

i guess i replied to the wrong post. i am not saying it isn't!!!! i am asking ppl to stop listening to this lip-sink guy.

[insane_cratic_gal]

14. to make matters

Worse for Kat.

http://dummiefunnies.blogspot.com/2004/12/dummie-funnies-12-14-04-am-edition.html

I don't know if we should be Amused that someone devoted a whole blog to us or very afraid LOL

take it for what you will..

p.s

I'm not a freeper so don't get your panties in a bunch, just search on her name you'll find it.

[dzika]

17. rumors and rumors of rumors...

Interesting that someone would devote their blog to that.

[in_cog_ni_to]

38. That should settle it. A RW blog thinks it's bogus?

With that in mind, I BELIEVE Katrina.

[Straight Shooter]

26. Please keep the Arnebeck involvement issue focused on Ohio lawsuit(s)

If Mr. Arnebeck wants to make a statement about this person Katrina or anyone else, he will do so as best benefits the ultimate goal, which is to prevail in the lawsuit(s) filed and to be filed (perhaps) in Ohio.

Do not make Cliff Arnebeck the player in any scenario which raises the spectre of a conspiracy theory.

Let's keep everything separate, let's keep it all clean, and let's keep it focused. Too many cooks spoil the broth.

If Mr. Arnebeck wants to tie all these loose strings together, he will do so at the appropriate time and in the appropriate arena.

[troubleinwinter]

28. There ya go.

Breathe, folks, and think. And 'trust but verify', even be skeptical. Donate to legitimate organizations, only.

[lip-sink]

31. limited

what about legitimate non-organizations?

[lip-sink]

29. this isnt about conspiracy theories

its about helping those that are doing the shit work and getting now attention. its about assistance and support.

its not an epistemological dilemma, its an existential one!

[Carolab]

33. For the record

I made the suggestion that people contribute to Katrina's cause through Arnebeck, since everyone seemed to be so suspicious of dzika. I assume that this is why people are now being asked to do so.

[Junkdrawer]

34. And a sensible suggestion it was...

A big thanks...

:thumbsup:

[Straight Shooter]

35. The message gets diluted when too many parties are involved

Here's what I'm saying, and I apologize for lack of communicating it clearly: We have one goal, to investigate this tainted election to its rightful conclusion. When people read about Katrina and then see attendant requests to donate to her cause, or however you want to phrase it, via Mr. Arnebeck, it causes skeptics' eyebrows to raise. Mr. Arnebeck will be using the funds donated to his efforts in the manner which he thinks will produce the best results. I am quite confident of that :)

I'm not saying the events surrounding Katrina are untrue. I know the substance of the story is certainly true. What concerns me is hearsay and secondhand recitation of events, via emails we cannot verify, that could embroider the events a bit and lead to accusations of false stories being generated on DU and, by association, cast a shadow on Katrina and Mr. Arnebeck as well.

Straight from the horse's mouth is the best approach. We are living in interesting times.

[Junkdrawer]

36. And I'm saying that my correspondence (via threads) with Katrina...

aka katalyst, has given me no reason what so ever to question either her honesty or her verity.

And I'm very suspicious when a pack of posters suddenly appears that want to paint her as a liar and a scam artist.

[Straight Shooter]

39. No one is calling Katrina a liar or a scam artist

Please read my posts carefully. I am keeping up with what happened with the BOE office in Ohio, and Katrina's involvement.

What concerns me is secondhand requests for donations on behalf of Katrina to be sent to Mr. Arnebeck. In all fairness, this type of request for donation raises legitimate questions in the minds of skeptics. That's all I'm saying. We are being inundated for requests for donations to all sorts of tangential causes related to this tainted election. This is why everything must be transparent.

I know Mr. Arnebeck is working with Katrina on this issue surrounding her involvement in the events of Xenia, Ohio. Any donations to him will naturally, through a logical course of decision-making on his part, go toward helping Katrina's efforts.

My number one concern is ensuring that everyone who looks at any aspect of what is going on with Ohio and Mr. Arnebeck's efforts will have complete confidence in him and Alliance For Democracy as they pursue the issues of this election. That is where the focus needs to be, not on the attendant events, no matter how dramatic or important they are. We don't want the message to get lost in the noise, so to speak.

[in_cog_ni_to]

41. Me too...suspicious, that is. I find it curious

that the naysayers are all fairly new. Yes indeed. People out to paint Katrina as a fraud and it seems they all showed up at about the same time she/her name did. Very interesting.

[EFerrari]

37. For the record, I did email Dzika, aka DAVID, and he, like myself,

was just trying to figure out how to get a job done when you're in this funhouse situation.

There was no crap and no scam. And, since I'm a grown up, that was my decision to make.

I've been here about a month now. And the level of distrust and disrespect for other people's choices is sort of amazingly counterproductive.

I'm glad you all (we all) found a way to get the recount witnessess what they need. And I'm sort of disgusted at the way the whole thing was handled, except for by David, who only read Katrina, passed her mesages on and tried to think with us how we could help in this situation.

[Vinnie From Indy]

40. And who, remarkably writes EXACTLY

like you!

[Moderator]

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