Maybe we should seriously consider WA and OR seceding.

[Cascadian]

Nearly 4 years ago, I tried to start a new political party with the aim of getting Oregon and Washington to peacefully breakaway from the United States to create a Republic of Cascadia. This did not work out as much as I had hoped. With the ever further moving to far-right of most of the country, maybe the idea of an independent Cascadia should be revisited. Do the progressive people of the Northwest want to be subjected to the right-wing fascist, christian fundamentalist movement?

Just a topic I want to throw out there.


John

[JFW]

1. yep

..

[PSU84]

2. and CAL-EE-FOR-NIA?

[dogtag]

3. Could California join too. We could be Westcoastia.

You probably don't want Southern California, huh?

[fortyfeetunder]

17. No get rid of that guy called Governor

Y'all can do better than that.

[Seabiscuit]

25. Or: "Leftcoastia"?

[Carolab]

4. I think all the BLUE states

should secede from the red states. Including my state, Minnesota, which kicked butt in the house this time BTW.

[olddem43]

5. Wasn't the secession issue settled in 1865? n/t

[Cascadian]

8. A different situation in a different time.

EOM



John

[happynewyear]

11. gonna wait till they split CA in half?

Then you'd get the pacific northwest - nice part of California imo! :D

[kikiek]

6. Please take MN with you!

[mike_c]

7. I would happily support a PNW secession movement....

Please include Humboldt Co, CA!

[Robert Oak]

9. let's have the blue states join Canada. n/t

[GettysbergII]

10. Actually I was thinking the same thing about Illinois

Hell I think as long as the republicans wouldn't be allowed to count the ballots we could make a contiguous country with the states of Minnesota, Wisconsin, (maybe Iowa), Illinois Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Maryland, New York and all the New england States and hook up via water to the west coast states

[govegan]

12. Sounds good.

Perhaps several groups of states could secede simultaneously, with several governments. Divide and conquer the beast, eh?

Maybe upper Great Lakes and New England could be persuaded to go it alone.

[Cats Against Frist]

13. Read this

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/3/151749/966

It's about starving the red states of our blue money.

[autorank]

15. Great link, great idea.

This is the great taboo in our nation's capitol, the rural states and many of the southern states (not VA) are on the dole. Time to end this and let them pray for funds to replace out gift. Oddly enough, Arnold Schwarzenegger, in his seeming naivety, suggested this as the solution to the California budget crisis. He said he'd meet with * and work it out. NOT.

Corporate America controls the media and we get manufactured news.
Corporate America now controls the voting machines and we get manufactured elections.

[GainesT1958]

14. My $.02: go into it with California...

You all could secede with them, and:

1) Have all that coastline to yourself;

2) Charge the rest of us mucho tariffs on all that wine and produce (including your apples!);

3) Have all the offshore oil and hydro power you'd ever need;

4) Have all that Silicon Valley and Microsoft technology contributing solely to YOUR economy (the eighth largest in the world);

5) Be able to buy Boeing aircraft really cheap for your own air force;

6) Be able to retain the old PAC-8, AND the conference Gonzaga is in;

7) Sell the rights to the Rose Bowl back to us for mega-bucks!:eyes:

B-)

[Jersey Devil]

16. Great! I can saw off the top of NJ and float it around to the west coast

The only thing is that some of you might object to losing your beachfront views.

[Jersey Devil]

18. Would it then be New Concordia? (nt)

x

[dogtag]

21. It's fine with me. I love northern New Jersey.

There's some parts of Southern California we can trade.

[freeplessinseattle]

19. Sounds fabulous to me!!

'coyrse 46% of our state did vote for *, but mainly those on the other side of the state, so they can go off and join Idaho and all the fundies there.

[Q3JR4]

34. Those of us in Idaho

could move to Cali.

If there is actual talk of a blue state succeeding, I'm there.

[Massacure]

20. Good luck getting Congress to approve of that.

[wabeewoman]

22. Funny

my husband just said the same thing tonight. Said we could keep all our income tax and have plenty of money to live happily without the feds. Sounds good to me..

[Seabiscuit]

23. Hey! Don't forget California. First let us get dump the Gropinator.

[Southsideirish]

24. Lets not isolate ourselves -lets isolate them. Boycott red states!

[Seabiscuit]

26. Damned right! I'll never set foot in one again!

[Zgrrl]

27. Fine with me...

This Washingtonian would be glad to join together with my brothers and sisters in OR to form a new country. Since I also spent many years in New York, I'd like to include them too. Well, maybe not upstate New York but NYC for sure.

[AMD_CPU]

28. It's been done before...

and they were forced back into the Union at the point of a bayonet.

[silvershadow]

29. does anyone know how succession is initiated?

Are there any lawyer types here or other informed people who can shed some light on how to get something like this started?

[Copperred]

30. This is simple.....

I would start a campaign/petition...u truly need to get 85%+ of your state with u......SIMPLY PUT IT HAS TO COME FROM THE PEOPLE....i would also recommend you urge everyone to buy guns and know how to use them.

[Wombatzu]

31. first thing you do is spell it right... secondly...

it's a pipe dream. OR and WA have their fair share of RW'ers and wack jobs.

what can be done is to spread the word that liberals, progressives and other sane people need to begin the process of emigrating to Blue State regions in order to permanently shift the balance of local power in those states and empower those states to protect our civil rights.

[SoCalDem]

32. There is no PEACEFUL way to break away from the US, sorry..

It's been tried, and we're still living with the aftermath..:(

[SoCalDem]

33. There is no PEACEFUL way to break away from the US, sorry..

It's been tried, and we're still living with the aftermath..:(

[Bridget Burke]

35. The topic was "thrown out" in 1865.

First, convince the eastern halves of Oregon & Washington to go along with your little plan.

Some Californians want to join, but will they include Fresno & Bakersfield? Some consider Los Angeles too impure....

Let us know when your state legislatures take action. Until then it's cheap & divisive talk.

[Gyre]

36. Quit wasting our time with fantasy posts.

And that goes for all you who're talking about moving to Canada too. If you're gonna run, just do it. Don't look for validation of your cowardice here.

IMO, the only legitimate reason to move to Canada now would be if a draft was reinstituted and you were in that age group with no property in the United States worth mentioning.

Gyre