Howard Dean might have won it.

[Cascadian]

I know I am probably going to get some grief for this but I cannot help but wonder how different the outcome would have been had Howard Dean was the Democratic nominee? Had it not been for some suspect tactics by certain DNC leaders, the strange goings on during the caucuses and primaries, and a spinable mainstream media, Dean may have had a chance. I voted for Kerry but I still wished to God it would have been Dean. He had the right ideas and was passionate. He was the one man who gave the Democratic Party some kind of a spine.

My pain still aches and will be for the next four years. Will America need a doctor in 2008?


John

[JFW]

1. yep.

..

[autorank]

2. How did the Dean Dozen do? BTW, I agree w/you.

Corporate America controls the media and we get manufactured news.
Corporate America now controls the voting machines and we get manufactured elections.

[cal04]

13. Not sure when this was updated

from his site
http://www.democracyforamerica.com/dd_returns.php

[autorank]

18. cal04, thanks!

Corporate America controls the media and we get manufactured news.
Corporate America now controls the voting machines and we get manufactured elections.

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

[tridim]

3. I think he'll run again

If that's any help.

[DavidMS]

I don't think it will do much

Unfortunately, forgetting that the press was recording off his microphone as opposed to the audience, will make it difficult for him to be taken seriously.

However, I think he would have been a far better presidential canidate than John Kerry.

If he ran for the nomination again, I would vote for him again.

[TwilightZone]

4. Too many people still believe the lies about the war in Iraq.

And too many people still believe it's a good thing.

I fear Dean would have fared very poorly against Bush in light of that.

[NYC Liberal]

9. Yeah, but he could have smashed

every one of Bush's lies into oblivion, without having to worry about 'waffling,' because he opposed the war all along.

[TwilightZone]

14. How?

I think you're being overly optimistic of his ability to convince the masses. No matter how many times they were told otherwise, 72% of people who voted for Bush still believed that Saddam was responsible for 9/11.

Ignorance is extremely difficult to overcome. You can only convince people to change their views if you can get them to listen to you in the first place.

Honestly, I don't think Dean was any more likely to get these people to listen than the scores of other people who tried, both in the media and in the campaign. Not even the oft-repeated statements of the 9/11 commission could convince them.

[msongs]

5. Having met Howard Dean 3 times in this election cycle I'd like to

say at least Howard Dean would have stood up for what he believed no matter what the outcome.He was NOT afraid to go to the south and tell people that blacks and whites have a lot of common problems that have not been helped by the repubs, so what good does the race divide do. He did not have all that baggage dragging Kerry down. The anger meme was just a phony construction and would have melted away as the election got closer.

Msongs
Dean Obama 2008
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm

[Cascadian]

6. HOWARD DEAN 2008

John

[George_Bonanza]

7. When one of the big issues was "morals" Dean would've been vaporized

You think idiot America would allow his civil unions things pass by?

[Seabiscuit]

15. America simply didn't/doesn't deserve Howard Dean yet.

First the DLC, then the Repuke media undermined his campaign and smeared him all over the place.

The first problem is to dismantle the DLC. Get rid of every last one of those bastards, starting with Lieberman, Kerry, Begala, Carville, Shrum, etc., etc., ad nauseum. Then find a way to buy back the cable channels and the network channels.

Only when the DLC is dead and the media becomes responsible again will this country be ready for the likes of a gutsy, principled man like Howard Dean.

BTW, I'm glad Daschle lost today. He sided with the Repukes on virtually every issue and every vote. Too bad he had to lose it to a Repuke, but that's the way the cookie crumbles. Good riddance.

[SEpatriot]

8. Dean would have fought harder

I'm sorry folks, I think Kerry (listening to Cahill and Shrum) twisted in the wind throughout August and just let the Rove-beast define him to the public. He came from behind to close the gap - but couldn't seal the deal. To many people bought that "flip-flop" nonsense and he didn't hit back hard enough.

[cjbuchanan]

10. Will will all wonder what if _________ had been the nominee?

I must admit that Kerry was not my first, second or even third choice for the nomination, but once he won, I , like just about everyone here, set out to make him president. Would I have rather been working for Dean or Clark or Edwards, yes, but that's not what came to be. So I will refrain from trying to debate what could have been.

One funny note, I just got back from a Democracy for America meet-up where we had a conference call with Dean. He said, half joking, that one of the big scare tactics used against Dean during the primaries was that if he becomes the nominee, we will not win. He said, "well, I wasn't the nominee and we still didn't win."

In my own opinion, too many people got spoked by their own shadow.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

11. You don't really know so why go there

[pansypoo53219]

12. agreed

i SO blame that asswipe gephardt.

[Cascadian]

16. kick

[prayin4rain]

17. I tell you what Dean would never concede to that moron.

[robbedvoter]

19. he's vaccinated against theft?

[TimeToGo]

20. Probably not

But, we'll never know.