"*", the most unpopular "President" ever to start a second term

[RaulVB]

The piece below was posted by KOS in his site. I can't find a link to the media outlet where the numbers were originally posted.

Is amazing how the poll numbers in America are good or bad depending on who is using them!

Link and excerpt below:

http://dailykos.com/story/2004/12/21/12013/566

"Since his 3-percentage-point win over Sen. John Kerry, Bush has experienced a complete lack of bounce in the polls. In fact, in at least one national survey, Fox News' Opinion Dynamics poll, conducted Dec. 14-15, Bush's approval rating has fallen five points in the last month, to 48 percent. In other polls, including Washington Post-ABC, NBC/Wall Street Journal, Pew Research Center, Associated Press-Ipsos, Zogby, and Gallup, Bush's already soft approval numbers have flat-lined since the election. That phenomenon stands in sharp contrast to U.S. history, when presidents voted into office for a second term, even after close elections, routinely have received robust approval ratings.
According to an analysis posted on the Gallup Web site in mid-November, Bush's current 53 percent approval rating "is actually the lowest of any of the last seven presidents who won a second term in the first poll conducted after their re-election." Right after securing their second terms, Bill Clinton received a 58 percent approval rating, Ronald Reagan 61 percent, Richard Nixon 62 percent, Lyndon Johnson 70 percent, Dwight Eisenhower 75 percent, and Harry Truman 69 percent."

* As usual, the trees don't let KOS see the forest...

[Merlot]

1. I'm sure bush would like to have higher approvals

But truth is, he really doesn't care. Getting the approval of the populace is not on his agenda. His agenda would never be approved by a majority of Americans.

Being popular is not as important as getting his own way.

[RaulVB]

2. No, what the numbers tell you is this:

He had to steal the election.

He clearly did not win and fraud has taken place.

Simple.

[Merlot]

4. Of course the election was rigged

My point is only that he doesn't really care about gaining the approval of the American people - he will do exactly what he wants.

[tritsofme]

10. But when many of these polls pre-election showed a slight lead in bush's

favor they were fixed, but now they're not?

I think its as simple as a case of buyer's remorse.

[Straight Shooter]

11. What polls pre-election showed a slight lead?

I remember Gallup was always an outlier, but I don't seem to recall bush leading Kerry in any significant poll whatsoever, except perhaps that paranoid terra poll. That's why all the hardcore Repubs were freaking out and freerepublic was reported to be like a morgue.

Do you have links for your assertion? That would be useful information.

[tritsofme]

13. Pew, Tarrance, Rasmussen, TIPP all got it right on the head

Even Zogby showed a statistically insignifigant lead for bush.

You can see the final trial heats here:

http://pollingreport.com/2004.htm#Pollster

[RaulVB]

14. All the "vendors" you have provided...

Either oversampled Republicans or were simply skewed to the right of the political spectrum.

Zogby said what he said and then, in election day, looking at real numbers he reversed his previous "analysis" and declared Kerry the winner, as we all know.

"All got it right in the head..."

I don't think so. Fraud took place in election night!

[tritsofme]

16. The only pollsters that projected a Kerry win

were DemCorps and the Democratic side of Battleground.

Marist polled a very small Kerry win.

For the rest it was either a tie or small bush lead.

The whole business of oversampling any partisian group seems to be a sham to me. A truly random sample should yield the same result, and this year showed a GOP move to parity with the Dems in terms of party ID, although this produced outrage when pollsters noticed this earlier in the year, it appears to be reality.

Rasmussen closely mirrored Zogby's model in the way he weighted his polls, and aside from getting the national numbers right, he also correctly predicted all of the state he polled.

Are you really going to tell me that Pew skews to the right of the political spectrum?

Now all of these polls that you previously accused are showing drops in bush's approval rating. This is not unexpected at all, like I said, buyer's remorse. They're going to get what they paid for.

[RaulVB]

17. Yes, if they are paid by the Right...

No, they "did not predict anything correctly", since fraud took place in this country.

You seem to have a very big problem getting around that concept. I don't.

If I'm not mistaking, Pew had "*" "winning" Florida by almost 10 points!

That's ridiculous!

[tritsofme]

18. I don't get around that concept

because I see it as little more than a paranoid conspiracy.

Pew did not do any state pollings, as far as I can tell.

Were all these polls showing slight leads for bush part of this massive conspiracy?

[RaulVB]

23. Sorry you don't

I really think you should post in some other forums.

I can think of quite a few that would fit your ideological positions a lot better than this one!

[tritsofme]

24. I don't know what that is supposed to mean

I didn't realize a belief in massive vote fraud conspiracies is now an article of faith for all Democrats.

[RaulVB]

25. I don't think of you as a "Democrat"

You have a very easy time accepting the massive disinfranchisement of African American voters and the manipulation of results by Republican owners of voting machines in America.

That itself is called fraud everywhere.

Is not about "faith".

Is just about honesty.

[tritsofme]

28. Do you think of John Kerry as a "Democrat"

He sure hasn't made claims of massive voter fraud, and he has the most to gain.

Nobody at the DNC has ever questioned whether or not I was a Democrat when they endorse my checks.

[RaulVB]

37. I give money to the "girl scouts..."

When I buy their very good cookies.

Am I one of "them" because I give them money???

That's your "proof"?

[tritsofme]

44. I don't have anything to prove to anybody

I have come to terms with the fact that we lost in 2004, and I hope that Mark Warner runs in 2008.

[RaulVB]

45. Good for you!

We'll make sure that we still have elections in 2008!

Join anytime...

[SharonRB]

40. The day before the election,

Zogby had Kerry ahead.

[SharonRB]

41. The day before the election,

Zogby had Kerry ahead.

[bemis12]

21. Awesome

Never seen anything quite like it. A complete and total ability to believe ANY far-fetched theory that favors your candidate.

Coupled with the ability to dismiss any and all credible evidence that doesn't support you.

There are two flavors of Kool Aid, friend.

[RaulVB]

22. "Awesome", indeed...

You must know a little about Kool Aid, "friend."

Since "your guy won", you should move on and enjoy the next 4 years!

I hope nobody in your family is a male fit to serve in the military, though. I am absolutely honest about it.

The draft is coming, "pal"...

[KittyWampus]

More Proof He Wasn't Elected. And Fraud Was On A Massive Countrywide

scale.

Kerry won with a decisive majority.

[KoKo]

42. I agree..This is very significant. The Kerik thing and "SS Privatization"

could have contributed to his flat-lined polling...but I think it could also prove that he really didn't win and that the exit polls showing Kerry winning were true...until whatever was done across some states, late in the day, when the polls changed to Bush. Also, that the Networks won't release their polling data is a red flag after this amount of time with so much speculation. If they have nothing to hide, why do they keep hiding information to prove they won legitimately?

[KittyWampus]

3. Dupe

[mdb]

5. This not only makes me wonder how?

But how can someone lose three debates and still go on to win? And then you have the exit polls but I won't get into that.

[pacalo]

15. He was pathetic in the debates.

And he's a pathetic self-appointed president whose misdeeds are done in OUR name.





And I suspect that Condi knows the jig's up, too...

[mamalone]

20. Hilarious photo of Condi!

When was it taken and it what context, may I ask?..not by any chance at his most recent press conference? i didn't watch it (just can't stomach such things these days) but I did hear she was shrinking down in her seat at some points.
TIA

[pacalo]

34. It's very recent, mamalone. I picked it up from another post here

just yesterday or the day before. Funny thing is, after BushASS's supposed "victory", she should be elated. Body language is very revealing, isn't it.

[mamalone]

43. LOL!

I can just see the thought bubble...."What. A. Schmuck. Puhleaze, just let this press conference be over..just let it end...pleeeeeeze"

[SharonRB]

38. It is from the press conference the other day n/t

[Splinter Cell]

6. He's an ass

Dumbya is the worst president in history. PERIOD.

[Karenca]

7. i dont believe he ever had a 53 approval

rating------

That too was----
FIXED
FIXED
FIXED.!!!!!!


I have NEVER hated someone so much.

[SharonRB]

39. Just the sight or sound of him makes me sick to my stomach n/t

[RevCheesehead]

8. I think of it like the "Letterman" theory...

Good ol' Dave (on his show) would have people drop things from the top of the building to see what would happen. Around Thanksgiving, he had people aim a Butterball Turkey at a pot of gravy (and someone actually hit the target!).

The * approval ratings remind me of when Dave's show dropped watermelons - all they did was a big >SPLAT< ! Dave's comment was something like "proving once again, ladies and gentlemen, that watermelons do NOT bounce."

[GetTheRightVote]

9. * is the master of stolen elections since we would never elect him

[RaulVB]

12. Guys, the numbers in this poll provide an amazing context for our struggle

We knew we were right but now we have piles and piles of evidence and the American people has spoken again!

Put pressure on the MSM and use this poll, please.

I love this part:

"'*'is the first incumbent president to have an approval rating below 50 percent one month after winning re-election. The question had a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points..."

This is just amazing and impossible by simple political rule!!!

He lost and we got him!!!

Send these numbers to all the people you know, please!

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/12/20/poll/index.html

[McCamy Taylor]

19. these are the poll numbers of a King George the II not a president

[hangloose]

26. I suspect the 48% was the reality on election day

[emcguffie]

27. In a democracy --

he'd have to be a little bit liked to get elected. I really feel like I've gone through the looking glass.

[Pepper32]

30. I agree! n/t

[hangloose]

33. He was liked a little bit but not enough to be elected without help

from more tan the electorate that voted Republican

[Pepper32]

29. Oh, it was. I have no doubts... How could he lose 3-5% in a few weeks?

[Karenca]

31. I heard he lost 6 points. nt

[tritsofme]

32. Where did he lose 3-5%?

In the 58 public opinion polls conducted from September on, Kerry only led in 6 of them.

[texpatriot2004]

35. It makes you wonder if one month after "election" and one month

before "election" that magic number of 48% sticks to him like glue and he just can't get away from it.

[Kellis]

36. great article!

Hahaha.....it is fun reading stuff like this.Hope all the freepers read this and weep:)

Your guy is a "Loser"! lol.