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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 01:45 PM
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Will the Fascist MSM Finally Acknowledge Kerry's Lawsuit ??
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 01:48 PM
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1. No they'll be too busy covering non-sense crap.
Edited on Thu Dec-23-04 01:50 PM by Cobalt Violet
People shopping, people returning gifts. Wrapping up the year. Speculation on next year. Preparations for the Installment.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 01:49 PM
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2. We can probably get alot more done if they lay off for another week.
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 01:51 PM
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3. They are pretty irrelevant, now.
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SeveneightyWhoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 01:52 PM
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4. Fascist mainstream media?
Wow, calm down. That's almost as bad as the people calling the media "communist".
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 01:53 PM
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6. It is the truth, though
I don't have any problem describing or presenting concepts with the right language, do you?
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SeveneightyWhoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 02:02 PM
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9. Uh, the media isn't "fascist".
I'm sorry, I just don't agree with your "truth". I don't think the truth would agree with your "truth", either.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 02:04 PM
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10. Well, you clearly don't know much about the world...
This is a fascist regime and the MSM is behind it.

Therefore the world calls it a fascist media.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 03:30 PM
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12. Uh, yes it is.
Here are the well-known 14 characteristics of fascism.
http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/britt_23_2.htm
I highlight for you #6.

6. A controlled mass media. Under some of the regimes, the mass media were under strict direct control and could be relied upon never to stray from the party line. Other regimes exercised more subtle power to ensure media orthodoxy. Methods included the control of licensing and access to resources, economic pressure, appeals to patriotism, and implied threats. The leaders of the mass media were often politically compatible with the power elite. The result was usually success in keeping the general public unaware of the regimes’ excesses.

The other 13, for you edification (also see #14, as that one directly speaks to the topic at hand.):

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism. From the prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins, the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious. Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity were common themes in expressing this nationalism. It was usually coupled with a suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on xenophobia.

2. Disdain for the importance of human rights. The regimes themselves viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation.

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause. The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the people’s attention from other problems, to shift blame for failures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions. The methods of choice—relentless propaganda and disinformation—were usually effective. Often the regimes would incite “spontaneous” acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals, and “terrorists.” Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.

4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism. Ruling elites always identified closely with the military and the industrial infrastructure that supported it. A disproportionate share of national resources was allocated to the military, even when domestic needs were acute. The military was seen as an expression of nationalism, and was used whenever possible to assert national goals, intimidate other nations, and increase the power and prestige of the ruling elite.

5. Rampant sexism. Beyond the simple fact that the political elite and the national culture were male-dominated, these regimes inevitably viewed women as second-class citizens. They were adamantly anti-abortion and also homophobic. These attitudes were usually codified in Draconian laws that enjoyed strong support by the orthodox religion of the country, thus lending the regime cover for its abuses.

6. A controlled mass media. Under some of the regimes, the mass media were under strict direct control and could be relied upon never to stray from the party line. Other regimes exercised more subtle power to ensure media orthodoxy. Methods included the control of licensing and access to resources, economic pressure, appeals to patriotism, and implied threats. The leaders of the mass media were often politically compatible with the power elite. The result was usually success in keeping the general public unaware of the regimes’ excesses.

7. Obsession with national security. Inevitably, a national security apparatus was under direct control of the ruling elite. It was usually an instrument of oppression, operating in secret and beyond any constraints. Its actions were justified under the rubric of protecting “national security,” and questioning its activities was portrayed as unpatriotic or even treasonous.

8. Religion and ruling elite tied together. Unlike communist regimes, the fascist and protofascist regimes were never proclaimed as godless by their opponents. In fact, most of the regimes attached themselves to the predominant religion of the country and chose to portray themselves as militant defenders of that religion. The fact that the ruling elite’s behavior was incompatible with the precepts of the religion was generally swept under the rug. Propaganda kept up the illusion that the ruling elites were defenders of the faith and opponents of the “godless.” A perception was manufactured that opposing the power elite was tantamount to an attack on religion.

9. Power of corporations protected. Although the personal life of ordinary citizens was under strict control, the ability of large corporations to operate in relative freedom was not compromised. The ruling elite saw the corporate structure as a way to not only ensure military production (in developed states), but also as an additional means of social control. Members of the economic elite were often pampered by the political elite to ensure a continued mutuality of interests, especially in the repression of “have-not” citizens.

10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated. Since organized labor was seen as the one power center that could challenge the political hegemony of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was inevitably crushed or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass, viewed with suspicion or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being poor was considered akin to a vice.

11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts. Intellectuals and the inherent freedom of ideas and expression associated with them were anathema to these regimes. Intellectual and academic freedom were considered subversive to national security and the patriotic ideal. Universities were tightly controlled; politically unreliable faculty harassed or eliminated. Unorthodox ideas or expressions of dissent were strongly attacked, silenced, or crushed. To these regimes, art and literature should serve the national interest or they had no right to exist.

12. Obsession with crime and punishment. Most of these regimes maintained Draconian systems of criminal justice with huge prison populations. The police were often glorified and had almost unchecked power, leading to rampant abuse. “Normal” and political crime were often merged into trumped-up criminal charges and sometimes used against political opponents of the regime. Fear, and hatred, of criminals or “traitors” was often promoted among the population as an excuse for more police power.

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption. Those in business circles and close to the power elite often used their position to enrich themselves. This corruption worked both ways; the power elite would receive financial gifts and property from the economic elite, who in turn would gain the benefit of government favoritism. Members of the power elite were in a position to obtain vast wealth from other sources as well: for example, by stealing national resources. With the national security apparatus under control and the media muzzled, this corruption was largely unconstrained and not well understood by the general population.

14. Fraudulent elections. Elections in the form of plebiscites or public opinion polls were usually bogus. When actual elections with candidates were held, they would usually be perverted by the power elite to get the desired result. Common methods included maintaining control of the election machinery, intimidating and disenfranchising opposition voters, destroying or disallowing legal votes, and, as a last resort, turning to a judiciary beholden to the power elite.
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 06:47 PM
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15. Yes Mon, Yoderman, Yes It Is !!!!
Smells, quacks, and walks like a fucked-up Bushitler duck !!!

(Now the PC DU'ers will object to the Hitler reference, even though Bush's grandfather helped the Nazis kill my family members...)
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 02:13 PM
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11. Why the MSM Function as an arm of the Fascist Bush State:
Edited on Thu Dec-23-04 02:15 PM by Shalom
1. They ignore the effect of the Iraqi war on Iraqi civilians

2. They ignore the rape, torture, and sodomy of innocent Iraqis that was encouraged by policies set up at the highest levels of the Bush administration, and endorsed by Bush

3. They have ignored the incontestable fact that there was massive, systematic voter suppression in Ohio

4. They have ignored the tremendous implications of exit poll data not agreeing with results for virtually the first time in modern history. They have echoed the ridiculous ideas floated to cover up this discrepancy, including the idea that Repigs are less likely to speak to pollsters...

5. They have ignored the actions of John Conyers and other members of the US House Judiciary committee, even when allegations of fraud have been raised.

6.They have acted as willing agents of the Bush propaganda machine, neglecting to stress to their leaders that all of the Bush claims for starting the Iraq war were deliberate lies, and have accepted the latest mantra justifying the war (spreading democracy, the "white man's burden" etc.) without a whimper.

The list could go on and on, and I for one do not feel we have the activist, investigating press that is the hallmark of a democratic society. Remember the absurd idea that the press was "tired" right after the election, needed a break, and this is why they did not follow up on the exit poll story ?

Bush is a fascist, the basis for the wealth and power of the his family derived from activities in support of Hitler and the Nazis (will provide evidence to you to support), and has intimidated our corporate press into becoming accomplices for his fascist regime.
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Kellis Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 01:52 PM
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5. Im not sure....
It *is* big news but the MSM seem to need a smoking gun with someones hand still clasping it to acknowledge that there was election fraud....I guess we'll have to wait and see though.



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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 01:55 PM
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7. I don't know, Smirky has "put a leash on em"
it looks like.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 01:55 PM
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8. No, they support the regime
They have made tons of money thanks to this criminal regime.

They will not say anything against "*" ever...
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 03:36 PM
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13. only if they can make money off it
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 03:40 PM
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14. It's Major News But They Know That Ratings Will Be Low Until At Least 1/3
Traditional winter viewership won't return to normal until at least January 3, 2005. That could be a good thing or a bad in terms of their decisions about covering this. At the same time, though, since C-SPAN and Fox New Channel have given coverage to Conyers and the ReDefeatBush people, the other networks may have no choice.

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4816
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 06:57 PM
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16. Since Nov 2nd
Edited on Thu Dec-23-04 06:57 PM by Quakerfriend
their "true colors" have shown through. There is no longer any doubt. They are complicit in the crimes of this administration.
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proudbluestater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 07:11 PM
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17. I checked Yahoo at 2 PM and they will running that old story
about the Democrats trying to "embrace" the pro life folks. Hmmm, old news, dudes.
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