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Thu Nov-04-04 02:32 AM
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The Constitutional process worked against Nixon. It can work again... |
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... if we can take back the Congress in 2006. Nixon wasn't impeached until the middle of his second term. We can impeach Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld, et. al. in the middle of Shrub's second term if we take back the Congress in two years. That's our best hope.
Nixon's crimes were child's play compared to the Bushista's crimes against the people of America, the Constitution, International Law, and humanity. First impeach, then imprison, then try them all again at the Hague for violations of the Geneva Conventions and crimes against humanity. These bastards deserve no less, and IMHO a lot more than the thugs who supported Hitler. Try them all Nuremberg style, I say.
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Thu Nov-04-04 02:37 AM
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It's true that Nixon was a saint compared to Bush. But there is no way in hell we're going to take back Congress in 2006 without dealing with the corruption of the system in the meantime.
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Thu Nov-04-04 02:39 AM
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we need MOLES inside the WH. We need to raise a couple million bucks (Moveon?) to pay insider whistleblowers for hard evidence. We might not be able to impeach but maybe get him to step down. Someone needs to organize this. Unfortunately the Dems are now ho-humming about how we need to rethink our value set and how we must have lost this fair and square -- blah blah. So they are still after 5 long years of this shit in total denial.
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Thu Nov-04-04 02:47 AM
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3. Or, if this is what it takes to get them out and exposed... |
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...a South African-style truth commission (which would also stipulate that all ill-gotten gains be returned and that there was no civil immunity, only criminal). This would only be brought into play if it's their best alternative and they know it.
np: Jerry Douglas 7-2-04
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Thu Nov-04-04 02:48 AM
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4. How does that work if we are the minority? |
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Is there a legal way to do it?
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Thu Nov-04-04 04:27 PM
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...enough moderate Republicans (and there are still a few of them) grow enough, um, spine and realize that country must come before party.
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Thu Nov-04-04 02:48 AM
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5. This can ONLY happen if Democrats can regain the Senate..... |
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Edited on Thu Nov-04-04 02:49 AM by DaveofCali
and can keep the Republicans from stealing more elections....
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Thu Nov-04-04 02:50 AM
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7. You just answered the prior poster's question. |
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I should add that we need the House on our side as well.
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Thu Nov-04-04 02:49 AM
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6. You both raise good points. It's not going to be easy |
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but there's always a ray of hope. It will be hard work all the way, but I say it's damned well worth it. Karma and justice have a way of making their way around to smack down the evil bastards most of the time. And I say that as a lawyer who during some of the worst of times has lost faith in the system. But even in my experience of ups and downs, following every down there's always an upside, and overall, I wouldn't be doing what I do unless I'd had mostly positive experiences in fighting for what's just and succeeding at it. It seems every time I've been on the brink of pulling a Kerry and throwing in the towel I find myself working my ass off and living another day to celebrate another triumph for liberty and justice for some poor client out there.
I will do everything in my power to make it happen. I trust I can count on the two of you and everyone else here on DU to do the same.
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Thu Nov-04-04 04:37 PM
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9. How the blazes are we going to take Congress back in 2006? |
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Do you think there's going to be a fairer contest, less gerrymandering, black box chicanery, voter intimidation, etc. in 2006? The Republicans got away with all of it, do you think they'll abandon a winning strategy?
Do you think there's going to be a more clear-cut choice for the future of America? This time, we had only four years of incredible bungling and mendacity between us and the memory of the peace and prosperity of the Clinton years. As the memory of those years recedes in the depths of time, are our chances going to get better or worse?
Are Democrats going to be more passionate next time? Are we going to try harder, give more? Or are we going to be demoralized by the outright theft of Ohio and Florida this time? And even if by some miracle we find it in our hearts to try even harder, what difference is it going to make when Diebold counts the votes?
We had our best possible shot this time. We were robbed, and the cops aren't even going to investigate. And even if we catch the crooks ourselves, the authorities are going to gently take us by the hand and lead us off to the jail or the mental ward while handing back our valuables, with apologies, to the thieves.
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Thu Nov-04-04 08:14 PM
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10. Sorry to see someone giving up so easily. |
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I do sympathize, however. It's all very sad.
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