How much more evidence does Kerry/Conyers/Arnebeck have.....

[Darkhawk32]

in comparison to what we have available to us and have discovered on our own?

Any thoughts?

Personally I think they're sitting on some facts that we just don't have yet.

[femme.democratique]

1. There must be evidence that hasn't yet been made public.

Especially Arnebeck. He DID say he didn't want to tip his hand before he absolutely had to...

[boi1946]

4. These guys are not only taking on the present Establishment...

but they're risking their political futures, credibility, etc....
They wouldn't take these chances without good reason.

[zann725]

14. And he's been saying all along he's ABSOLUTELY sure Kerry won Ohio

He seems too logical and credible to make a statement like that unless he can definitely back it up.

[berniew1]

15. This is documentation for much of it- touchscreen fraud

Ohio http://northnet.org/alpage.htm Youngstown

Ohio, Florida, New Mexico http://flcv.com/fraudpat.html

[roseBudd]

2. I think they have the power to compell evidence and witnesses

which we do not. They also have Lexus Nexus and private detectives.

[Darkhawk32]

3. Excuse my ignorance... Lexus Nexus? n/t

[roseBudd]

6. Lexus Nexus is something lawyers pay big $$$$ for access to

Lexus Nexus predates the internet.

We Google, they Lexus Nexus. We only have stuff that is available on the internet, they have access to all court records, tons of databases and an amazing clipping service for all print media.

I think if you go to a college law library you might find a student to Lexus Nexus for you.

[Machiavelli05]

8. Lexis Nexis isnt that exclusive

Most Congressional staff have acccess to it. Plus students and you can also go to many libraries to use it...

[roseBudd]

11. Right, only exclusive because of the price n/t

[IndyPriest]

10. They don't have subpoena power yet. That's the importance of

having the lawsuits - either Kerry's or Arnebeck's - accepted by a court. And that's why Kerry's filing is crucial. It's possible that a court could throw out Arnebeck's because although it's ABOUT Kerry, it was filed THROUGH the Green's and Libs. A court could say that because they don't have any hope of redress from wrong, the suit is not worth the trouble to the state. KERRY'S, however, ups the ante considerably. He DOES have hope of redress from wrong, and so the court is almost automatically required to grant him his complaint -- and WITH it all the rights of subpoena, discovery, etc.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

16. Yep! Lovely Christmas present.... :) n/t

[LaurenG]

12. This has a poetic ring to it

"Lexus Nexus and private detectives" were all around the house...

Not to make light but we could make a long story/ryhme out of this.

[zann725]

17. Yes...to the rhyme of "'Twas the Night Before Christmas"...

and all through the big White House
not a creature was stirring except Kkkarl Rove
with Election Night figures still dancing in his head...

When up on the roof there arose such a clatter
he ran to the window in his footie-pajamas...
where provision ballots showered the sky.

On Dancer, on Vixen, on Triad, on Ohio,
on Florida, on Kerik, on Abu-Garib and Rumsfield!

Yet the only thing 'flying' at this big White House
were the 10-gallon rumors Kkkarl-boy spun himself.

(please excuse, this is just a draft, folks...help me out...one line at a time...we can write this ensemble?)

[SueZhope]

18. rosebud57 I love the ring to that!! n/t

[read the law first]

28. Only if we survive a motion to dismiss.

The first huge hurdle will be the inevitable motion to dismiss. We've got to get past that in order to get to discovery. Cross your fingers.

[Ellipsis]

5. Thats their bidness. Why speculate? Might it not taint it? n/t

[Darkhawk32]

7. I not asking for specifics.... just an opinion of what YOU think.

Some will say more, some will say less. Ultimately how could it matter one way or the other?

[madrchsod]

9. nothing will happen

we are stuck with bush for god only knows how many years and there will be no meaningful reform.

[impeachthescoundrel]

13. I wouldn't give him the satisfaction

of even letting a thought like that run through my mind

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[New Earth]

20. who died and made you guys God

to rule the law of the land? :shrug: :hi:

[mousie]

27. Holding out hope for KERRY

I'm still holding out hope for fraud to be exposed in time, but.. I know we may be stuck with bush. It may take time to totally uncover the fraud involved. Although we know it's obvious there was fraud, proving it is tricky, especially with all those repub connections fighting us every step of the way. However, Bush will not be considered a legitimate President by many and I don't think he'll be able to do as much (damage) without support, hopefully. As far as changing future elections, I DO believe that's going to happen, and by 2008 we won't be using those funny repub-owned machines and we'll have verifiable votes, and a fair election will be upheld in 2008. We've got a lot of work to do, but I think this is going to change our election process, and it's about time! After have GWB steal two elections, we can't let this go... and the Green Party and Kerry and numerous citizens' groups are going to be fighting on this, so let's stick with them in this fight! It's our democracy at stake!

May Kerry take his rightful place in the Whitehouse... if not this time around, I'd love to see it in 2008!

[Dancing_Dave]

21. I wouldn't be to sure Kerry knows more than we do...

Long before the election, people noticed that Kerry wasn't up to speed on the electronic vote fraud issue. Dean and Kucinich were much more aware what a crucial issue this could be. Of course, nobody can be up to speed on EVERYTHING in this rapidly changing and deeply treacherous world!

So Kerry has been playing catch-up in the last few weeks, and maybe he's past us on a few points where he has access to some information sources we don't. Nevertheless, there's already plenty out there on the web for everybody. Enough to prove our case, and far more than one human being could read in a few weeks, even if that was their full time job!:headbang:

[txindy]

24. He doesn't need to know everything or even to try and understand it all

He merely has to hire experts in different fields to investigate it. For example, prosecutors aren't CPAs, yet they are the ones who put embezzlers on trial for their crimes. The expert accountants are the ones who uncovered the evidence for the charges to be brought. It's the same here. Find the best people to do the best work and let them have at it. Coordination is what is needed most, not total knowledge.

[kk897]

22. I'd never heard about that Texas Trouble Gang,

or whatever they called themselves, until the first suit came out, nor had I heard of the Hocking County woman's affadavit. They're definitely getting evidence we haven't a clue about.

If someone wants to be a supersleuth, you could watch the video from the first Columbus hearing. At some point, Cliff Arnebeck came forward with a sheaf of papers saying that this was proof positive that the election had been stolen (or some equally strongly-worded phrase). I don't know if it was an orchestrated moment for drama's sake, but I remember being quite taken aback, and the committee seemed to be, as well.

I wish I could remember what he said that sheaf of papers was; the only thing I recall was that my impression was that it was insider information.

[EMunster]

23. The Rhonda J. Frazier affidavit, if it's real, certainly sounds explosive.

has anyone heard anything about it since the Freepress article?

http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/996

Interestingly, she's listed as one of the voters in Arnebeck's suit.


If there's something there, they're keep it very under wraps.

[GetTheRightVote]

25. I agree with you all, I believe they have info that has not been made

public yet, that is why Kerry is following coming into the open, he knows there is proof concerning the fraud and they are only gathering as many cases and evidence of it as possible. All the more to shoot them down with while they keep attempting to cover up the stolen election and the hows of it. These are men of the law and those laws are about to set us free of the dictator Bush wishes to be, I am praying there is enough to blow it all apart and soon.

[corbett]

26. They Know They Need Multiple Calibers Of Smoking Gun

While they aren't sitting on any evidence which wasn't there for the taking by others, there's no doubt in my mind that they have 2 or 3 extra holsters at the ready for use on or immediately after January 6.

[lonestarnot]

29. Never tell!