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Woody Box Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:06 AM
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For all of you who want to fight: GET THE DATA!
Edited on Thu Nov-04-04 08:29 AM by woody b

Gather all statistical data available to you, in the net, in papers of election panels, get exit poll data, preferably earlier ones, get temporary results of early votes, and so on. Not just partyline results, also younger/older, white/black/latino and so on.

I'm pretty sure every statistician will tell you: there is something fishy.
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This is very important. This website here is already a worthful data pool, reporting from all over the country during the hot hours.

The scams have a big problem: it was not head-to-head as expected. The turnout for Kerry was really huge. I estimate he won a little more votes as predicted by Zogby, maybe 54-46. They had big problems to hide this edge behind their fixed data without bigger incosistencies.

Don't wait for four years to check the data.

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maxsmom Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:09 AM
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1. check these stats
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:24 AM
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2. Okay.
I don't understand what's being shown. (Still on first cup of coffee. Sorry.) Plain English would help.
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a new day Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:48 AM
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3. In a highly charged election
Some of those counties have huge negative numbers in the DEM % vote that don't make sense. Eg.

Lafayette Op-Scan-Precinct 459.3% -69.3% 2,460 845 3,325 13.2% 82.8% 4,309 440 2,755 77.2%

Show a county with 83% registered DEM that voted overwhelming for Bush. I would think this is the equivalent of Jews in Palm Beach "voting for" Buchanan in 2000.

The story being spread is that Christian fundamentalists were so charged up that they overwhelmed Bush haters like me. That sure doesn't figure from people I know, but I don't live in Florida.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 09:17 AM
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4. I do live in FL
It doesn't square with what I know, either. In fact, it's the opposite. I knew several Republicans that (said they) were going to vote for the Democrat, whom I am no longer naming by name.

Still, I guess it doesn't matter much. It's not like the media would cover it or the Republicans would prosecute themselves.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 09:33 AM
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5. One Thing That Struck Me About the Ohio County Data
is that Dems had big increases in turnout, but Reps had amazingly large increases in turnout.

The emphasis up to now has been on disenfranchisement of Democrats. The data suggests inflating Republican numbers may be a more fruitful place to look.
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Woody Box Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 09:59 AM
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6. Yes, I definitely agree


I was hoping the count of Cuyahoga would make Ohio blue but it didn't happen - the Reps had an incredible huge late turnout. The late Rep votes are a fruitful ground for statisticians, indeed.

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a new day Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:07 AM
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7. How about
Edited on Thu Nov-04-04 10:08 AM by a new day
With the push to register people under 29, and the success at doing so, how is it that their percentage of those who actually voted did not increase?

I can understand that some wouldn't make it to the polls, but millions of people registering only to shine it on on election day seems fishy to me.
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:16 AM
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8. Whos got screen shots of AP exit polls?
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Lucypher Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:27 AM
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9. Same data formatted better
The Data was really hard to read so I added a width="120px" to all of the table cells so they are uniform.

Florida Data (opens in new window)
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 01:49 PM
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10. if i am readig correctly, baker county has a crapload of dems yet looks
like they had a huge drop off of votes while repubs are totally outnumbered yet experienced a 200 percent increase in votes. Other discrepancies seem blatant. Am I reading this wrong?
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kimchi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 02:01 PM
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12. Welcome to DU, sor, and thanx for the info.
Looks very fishy on the surface. I wonder if the precinct workers themselves thought anything was odd? In other words, I'd like to think I'd know immediately if our district had screwed up totals due to BBV, because it is overwhelmingly democratic--and the totals looked pretty much the same this time. You'd think the people in their own county would find the totals strange.

I'm 120% sure that FL was stolen.
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ciaobox Donating Member (796 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 01:59 PM
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11. WE NEED VIDEO AND PHOTOS PEOPLE
We need visual evidence of the long ass lines in urban areas across this country. We need visual evidence of NO lines in bible thumper land. I have yet to see any photos posted here but I saw them all over MSNBC on Tuesday. ANYONE HAVE THESE?
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