Would Bush Have Conceded?

[Jack_Dawson]

Of course not. Hannity, Rush and the rest of the kooks would be calling for blood in the streets, count every vote.

There were numerous voting "irregularities" Kerry could have called attention to, while he had the world stage. He decided to roll over.

Kerry fought a great campaign. He kicked shrub's ass all over the debates.

Conceding so soon was fucking weak. As long as we keep nominating softies, we'll continue getting kicked in the teeth. I'm so mad I'm shaking.

[TexasSissy]

1. "I feel your pain."

But as Kerry said, to further count would not have changed the result. So that's why he made that decision, he said.

I think if the popular vote had been closer, he might have decided differently. But almost 4 million is a large advantage in the popular vote.

I am not faulting Kerry for not doing what a stupid, arrogant b*stard would do.

[Jack_Dawson]

2. You really believe 4 million more people voted for an idiot?

Something stinks to high heaven about this whole fucking election. I need to see an anger management therapist.

[robbedvoter]

12. It's 8 (eight) more than he got in 2000.

All your fault, gay people (/sarcasm)

[TexasSissy]

15. Well, but there are millions more people than in 2000. It's the spread

51% to 48%, I guess, that counts.

[TexasSissy]

16. Yeah, I think it smells, too. But w/o proof, it just sounds like we're

being sore losers. So the numbers are what they are, w/o proof to the contrary.

Maybe I'll jump on an activist bandwagon to get paper trails for the e-voting machines.

[drunkdriver-in-chief]

8. Who cares about the PV??

Check out the constitution.

[liberal N proud]

3. FUCK NO!

But then they knew they had it fixed all the fucking way
You can not tell me that when at 8:00 PM Kerry is carrying Cinncinati, Columbus and Cleveland that all of a fucking suddend that changed.
Something besides Lake Erie smells in Ohio.

[XNGH]

4. Nope

That a-hole and his cronies would have attempted a coup

[liberal N proud]

6. They were successfull

[Dukakis88]

5. If they weren't already in Iraq, he would have called in National Guard

[zbdent]

7. I've said it many times here before

If the Supreme Court had handed the 2000 election to Gore instead of Bush, the NRA-inflamed Repukes would have set off a civil war that would have had Osama bin Laden laughing his ass off, knowing that he didn't need to strike at America.

[PATRICK]

10. 2000

Yes it was not a big secret there were several success oriented options for Bush that year, none of which Gore could have won. His best chance narrowed to the recount, but unimpeded there was still the original slate
of electors the Repukes elbowed in and the Congress to contend with. It was slim corner of possibility- not hope- all the way. All the fraud and lost votes were jettisoned down this narrow path as if it never happened.

Bush sealed the fate of unrequited injustice by squelching the Black caucus in person.

[PATRICK]

9. Rhetorical question

Nothing like choreographed losing. At the finish line Kerry reveals we had no plan to win the real war. None at all.

The people with documentation and proof of fraud who have waving this at our doofuses for years are similarly ignored by even left wing media as far as the critical concept of how it is done and must be opposed is concerned.

Now we are supposed to look in a conceptual mirror while goons despoil the prize?

If any in the party leadership had backed anti BBV measures even up to monitoring and auditing at the hopeless last minute we would at least be SEEING the reality that needs reforming. All the cheating measures that counted resulted in permanently lost records, therefore no change of results. Those that were arguable distracted legions of lawyers and most of that now goes by the boards as well. As in 2002. We worked hard to make defeat look easy.

Fraud. The utter lack of a national forum and what we have certainly isn't harmless. Our leadership seems to dance to its deceptions as if to bullets drummed in the barroom floor. Any GOP goon can become President over any messiah you can imagine. It is easier to imagine the DNC selling out and drafting McCain. As things have been allowed to stand. If not fraud, ignorance rules.

Somebody know where common sense lies?(Next statement edited out by me for negativity).

[robbedvoter]

13. Vewy well said. Famous last words: "I have no time for those crying

in their teacups for stolen elections"
John Kerry on the campaign trail, 2003

And stoopid me for voting for him IN SPITE of this.

[teh636]

11. why Kerry conceded so soon

Kerry conceded because he knew it would look bad upon him as it did Gore to try to win the election through the courts. The margin of victory was much moreso in ohio for Bush than it was in Florida in 2000 making a legal battle over it a bad idea. Kerry would still ultimatly lose and place the democratic party in an even worse position come next election.

[PATRICK]

14. Then he overdid it

Because all the unchallenged fraud and media that get his seal of approval by virtue of silence will make the party as irrelevant as the disenfranchised and the methods will grow unabated as they did after 2000 and 2002.

You lose for nothing if you enable a lie. we had soldiers dying for nothing in Vietnam. I type here as people die for nothing(except Bush cronies) in Iraq and elsewhere. Kerry was duped by similar idealism and committment into going into Vietnam in the first place. He is duped again. If he had fought like he had as a protester he would still be losing, but there would be more credible hope and resistance.

The party is trying to preserve the pattern of defeat. Even that noble pattern of defeat is becoming irrelevant. No purge(dear Ralph) is going to happen that will necessarily cure this, nor is it likely amid the circling of wagons. This is a quagmire of bad choices for invading a rigged turf unprepared.

[teh636]

17. I don't think so

The problem is the allegations of fraud are merely circumstantial. There is no hard proof of fraud and to dig for it all the while holding the nation hostage in the midst of an election is a real bad idea. Even if some small evidence were to come up it would not sway the election and cause the country even more angst towards the democratic party.

[PATRICK]

19. Understand, but

he has obliterated any context for telling the truth, fighting its application in the future. It is begging for 2002 and 2004 to happen all over again and no leadership in the national consciousness has even delayed our own ability to get to the plate, and fatally buried the crime. Edwards had it right. Was he outvoted? They could have conceded the technical defeat while fighting for us.

We are ignored collateral damage in Kerry's victimization. I didn't vote for a victim. I voted for a leader who would level with us. Instead we are leveled with him. He could have at least have fought the real battle, not the rigged contest.

We don't deserve the sheer luck it will take to win(squeakily, sneakily maybe with emotions and delusions) just a the campaign game if we don't put the real war front and center. And the dark side knows how to stop the competition according to their rules and abusing ours.

[BuckeFushe]

18. NO