Show me the 10 hr. lines in the Red States!

[goclark]

I really need to see all the long Christian lines in all of those red states.

I want to see photos of them waiting in these so called long lines to vote.

I want to see KS!
I want to see the lines = the number of voters.

I believe that they stole the votes in every state.

I want to see all these so called long lines in RED!

[letsgetiton]

1. Excellent point. DU'ers in red states, what was on your local news?

nt

[goclark]

8. That's what I'm talking about

We should be seeing millions of photos of people on their knees in prayer, Bibles in hand, crawling to vote.

I have not seen one photograph.

While we had MM in Florida taking photos, who was in Indiana and Kansas?

I'm betting that they allowed Dorothy and her little doggie Toto to vote in Kansas.

[okieinpain]

23. uh, there wasn't any long lines in the red states because nobody

lives here. these are just free ev's for bush.

[TwilightZone]

36. The lines were huge.

We need to quit denying that we got killed on this, people. I live in Nebraska, which in undeniably Bush country, and the lines were long almost everywhere. People waited up to six hours to vote.

Understand - Bush was going to win NE regardless of turnout, but THEY TURNED OUT ANYWAY.

I'm no happier than anyone else about it, but we MUST STOP this denial crap. Denying that the religious right got out the vote will do nothing for us in '06 and beyond.

[goclark]

38. Denial cuts both ways! The votes were fixed!

But how many lines and how many people?

Was every single person, with the exception of you?, voting for Bush?

Did the exit polls and the new registerd voters about equal?

We still need pictures/news articles that tell us what the numbers were.

Did you have Early voting?

[TwilightZone]

50. You just don't get it, do you?

Nebraska has gone for Republicans about as long as it's been since people used covered wagons to travel. There are many, many places in America that WILL NOT VOTE DEMOCRAT NO MATTER WHAT. This is one of them.

I'm not sure why it is so difficult for people to understand.

The numbers here are very likely accurate, and there is exactly zero reason to believe otherwise because they're exactly like every other election here in the past three or four decades.

I saw the lines. I looked at voter rolls. I looked at exit polls. I looked at new registration numbers.

Most importantly, I'm confident that impropriety didn't happen, BECAUSE THERE'S NO REASON FOR IT. Bush could kill babies on live TV and still win this state. These people are narrow-minded, extremely conservative idiots. And, they have been for decades.

If you don't believe me, fine. But, quit trying to apply your blue state logic to states where it doesn't apply and then implying that the rest of us must be lying.

[joeunderdog]

60. while that may be true in NE

there are some semi-conscious Repubs in other parts of the country who couldn't help but notice the dishonesty and ineptitude of the Chimp and were going to vote Dem for the first time of their lives. I know several. I suggest that of the small sector of people who changed their vote to a different party in this election, the vast majority voted Kerry. Increased voter turnout has historically always been a protest contingent of the voter block.

Please don't be in denial of these FACTS.

[CaptainCorc]

61. 1964

....was the last time Nebraska went for a Democrat...before that 1936 so yeah it's been pretty grim there for Dems.

[southlandshari]

40. There was record voter turnout in Alabama

And it was all over the local news. Both parties had thousands of new voters out on Tuesday - the end result wasn't much different percentage-wise than 2000, but the numbers were significantly higher.

Here is a link to an op-ed in a Washington state paper that mentions the highest voter turnout in history in at least six states, all of which were in the South (and, unfortunately, all of which went red this year):

"The election of 2004 motivated U.S. voters of varying political views, and they turned out in record numbers to prove it. "

<snip>

"At least six states -- Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee and Virginia -- and the District of Columbia reportedly saw record turnouts.

Curtis Gans, director of the nonpartisan Committee for the Study of the American Electorate, estimates the total turnout will reach nearly 120 million people, once absentee and provisional ballots are figured into the equation.

That represents just under 60 percent of eligible voters -- the highest percentage for turnout since 1968, Gans told The Associated Press."

More:

http://www.tri-cityherald.com/tch/opinions/story/5744010p-5678058c.html


The lines at polls in my area were by far the longest I've seen in my lifetime, and I spent the day driving people to vote in my county, so I had the opportunity to observe several different polling stations in towns and rural areas.

I don't mind doing a little searching to see if I can post some links to photos and local news stories on this.

[FlaGranny]

2. Ditto!

I have not heard any reports at all about lines in these states. Anyone? What did your local papers say in middle and southern America about voter turnout and lines?

Edit: I'm in Florida, technically a southern state, and we had reports of long lines in southern Florida where the Dems are, but I did not hear about long lines in the other parts of the state.

[oldhippie]

62. I'm in Central Texas....

a county with a total population of 17,000. My precinct has about 2000 total. I stood in line for about 1.5 hours. It's the first time that I didn't walk right up to the table, check my name, get my ballot, and be out in 5 minutes.

We went 78% for Bush.

[grumpy old fart]

3. Investigations and Indictments

We need some serious investigation, backed by serious money, leading to serious indictments of the Nazi bastards who stole this election.

[FlaGranny]

4. Love your

Elvis avitar.

[RuleofLaw]

5. WEhat ever happend to all the overseas votes.

I was under the impression that the majority of americans abroad were against Bush. Have they all been counted?

[shoopnyc123]

6. The serious money is a collaboration between....

....Theresa and Soros. Which, I think will happen

[blm]

7. The long lines were in black and urban neighborhoods of the red states.

.

[southlandshari]

43. Long lines everywhere in my county

I observed a very good cross section of polling stations Tuesday, and lines at the wealthier and predominently white voting locations were as long, if not longer, than those where a larger percentage of minorities and/or rural residents voted..

[daa]

9. They were six hours in Georgia

still voting after midnight. They all could not have voted for Kerry since he didnt get many votes here.

[FlaGranny]

11. Yes, but do you know where those 6 hour

lines were" If they were in Atlanta, they were Democratic votes. We're looking for long lines in Republican majority districts. We know that most cities have a Democratic majority, and most cities had long lines. What we don't know is how the lines were in the suburbs of Macon and Greenville.

[daa]

47. Clayton and Decatur and South Fulton

[LiberalTechie1337]

13. Indiana...

The lines at my precinct were about 3-4 hours long. Thankfully, I voted early so I could GOTV for our Democrats. I heard their was still voting being done there at 9:30 pm (polls closed at 6).

[goclark]

16. But how many 6 hour lines?

I'm sure that there were six hour lines in Atlanta.

What really steams me is that I have been to the church of Dr. Martin L. King Jr..

No one can tell me that the Christians in that area would not stand in a line for a month to vote for Kerry.

Remember that when Bush came to Atlanta to lay a wreath on MLK Day, there was a huge protest! My brothers and sisters were so angry that they stood on each others backs so their protest signs would show over the HUGE yellow buses. The buses were put there by the Secret Service so that no one could get near the Boy King.

[AndyTiedye]

31. But That's Georgia! Georgia is ALL DIEBOLD

They can make up whatever numbers they like for election results there.

[robbedvoter]

58. They stole it there in 2002 as well - Gov AND Senate!

[Neecy]

10. well...

KS has early voting, so the fundies were able to vote for Jeebus-lite well before election day.

[goclark]

19. CA had early voting too

and we had photos of 10 hr.lines then.

On election day the lines in urban Los Angeles were still long.

[tngledwebb]

12. They don't need to wait.

They got Diebold.

[ballcap1776]

14. I waited one hour in Kansas

And that was in an area that is split predom black and a pocket of upper middle class to lower upper class whites (old money and no, I don't have old money, I just like their old money houses!) and we didn't have a long line at all.

It's simple, he stole the election. I wouldn't be surprised that the "computers that failed" and had to be rebooted weren't on a specific schedule to wipe out the voters after predicted rush times (i.e. after a predom black factory workers get off of work). We will never know how many votes were lost because THEY DIDN'T WANT US TO KNOW...and they can pawn it off as sad, but just a glitch in technology.

[LisaL]

15. Why there were lines?

It makes no sense, since they tell us the turnout wasn't even 2-fold higher. THere were no lines in 2000. So, what gives?
WTF is going on?
Where are all the extra voters?

[FlaGranny]

18. I believe the lines were so much longer

because Democrats DID turn out. Democrats, for the most part, are the late voters because they usually vote after work.

[goclark]

22. I agree! We need photos of the KS lines

And what percent of KS is Democratic?

[ballcap1776]

29. I think my hub and I might be it. lol

Actually, I think it's about 20-30 percent. In big cities about half and half...although I do have to admit our big city Repukes tend to vote on the candidate and not just the party...we have a Dem mayor here who had a large Repuke backing...

[goclark]

32. Do you live in a Red State? Which one?

[snippy]

17. Election reform is the first issue democrats should focus on.

This is fresh in everyones' minds and the GOP is vulnerable on this issue since there are so many stories of long lines, unreliable machines, inconsistent rules, and republicans attempting to suppress minority voters. Republicans hate having the truth be told about the rampant bigotry and racism in the GOP and would have a hard time defending trying to continue to disenfranchise minorities. They will look bad if they oppose election reform. There is no reason that an election reform bill can not be the very first thing passed by the next Congress. But the democrats have to make it an important issue.

After that democrats should raise the issue of reforming Congress and the rest of the federal government. They should focus on nepotism and the revolving door of government employees leaving and becoming lobbyists. The democrats should freely admit that this will hurt some democrats as well as republicans, but they should argue that it needs to be done. Put the onus on the GOP to defend nepotism and revolving doors to corrupt wealth.

The democrats need to run a national campaign in 2006 which focuses on a coordinated and consistent message. I think that message should be that the federal government needs to be improved and since republicans control the government any failure to reform government is a willful failure of the republicans to keep the corrupt staus quo. I do not necessarily believe that reforming the federal government is the most important issue facing the country but I do believe that it is one which would resonate with some people who voted republican who might switch their vote.

[Oak2004]

24. WE don't have the power to keep the "reform"

from being anything more than all BBV, all the time.

We need to get off our duff right now, not "next election cycle", and do what we need to do ourselves, now, not debate what someone else ought to do, otherwise we will be as sheeply as those "sheeple" many of you are blaming.

[snippy]

28. I think we do so long as we iniate and control the debate on the issue.

If we do not use the political process to change it, how can we prevent BBV from being used more and more? I am not willing to vandalize voting places or businesses so that the machines can be destroyed.

[goclark]

26. We need to start emailing now!

Bush is talking about having a mandate!

He does not.

I listened to CSPAN this morning.

They take turns, Demo. - ReCon

Listening some would think that they are equal in strength but they are not.

No one can tell me that more people voted for Bush than Kerry.

Need photos of determined Christian born agains waiting in long lines.

[bones_7672]

20. 9 hour lines in Ottawa, OH

[goclark]

21. How MANY lines and how many people? Need photos

Did they equal the number of 9 hr. lines in California or New York?

[TwilightZone]

25. We had them in my very red state.

Hate to tell you this, but the reports really were true, at least as far as Nebraska goes. I was floored at the number of idiots who made it out to vote for Monkeyboy.

Some people waited six hours to vote here, and Bush won NE 67-32.

It's frustrating as hell, but unfortunately, it's also reality.

[goclark]

33. Need photos of lines

[TwilightZone]

35. Just because you live in a liberal area does not mean that there

is no possibility that this really occurred elsewhere. All you had to do was watch network or cable news coverage the day/night of the election. There were lines in many, many, many places around the country.

Bush won 67% of the vote here. Turnout was enormous. How much more proof do you need?

It's time to face reality. High turnout on the religious right is a fact, and we need to figure out how we're going to counter it, not blindly deny that it ever happened. Denial will get us nowhere in '06 and beyond.

[goclark]

41. the truth shall set us all free

and the truth is that we are not in the twilight zone> Our face is not in the sand.

Take a look at some of the other posts, with spread sheets in this forum and come back to us in about one week.

They stole the election!

I will not stand by and polish my nails without calling them on this!

[southlandshari]

44. TwilightZone is right - it did occur, and it cost us dearly

Here is a Bloomberg article on the surge in voter turnout and how it played in different states.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aoLXKdg1jbi0&refer=us

Excerpt:

"Seventy-one percent of eligible voters this year registered, the most since 72.1 percent in 1964. Almost 15 million more Americans voted in 2004 than in the 2000 election, when 105.4 million voted, according to the report.

Six states -- Georgia, Virginia, Florida, South Carolina, Tennessee and Alabama -- reached all-time highs for voter turnout in this election, the report said. All of those states backed Bush. The District of Columbia, which backed Kerry, also had record turnout.

Voter turnout in states that were capable of swinging either way, such as Pennsylvania and Ohio, and in uncontested states such as Georgia and California, was more pronounced among Republicans.

The number of Republican voters increased by an average of 4.4 percentage points in swing states and by 3.9 percentage points in others. Democratic turnout rose 3.6 percentage points in swing states and by 1.5 percentage points elsewhere, the report said."

[goclark]

46. I ain't buying that

I have registered voters in mostly white areas and there was
no rush to the Republican table.

I have helped to registered 3000 new citizens, from all countries, and we Democrats had far more takers than the Republicons.

Most of their volunteers were tired, out of touch and over 50 years old.

Our volunteers outnumbered them 3 -1 and were all ages, all colors and from many walks of life.

I just read a thread here with ReCons offering $75 to "volunteer" for them in Nebraska I think. Where were all their thousands of volunteers?

Most of their rallies never reached anywhere near the levels of Kerry's. In any state, read or Blue.

Where was their energy? I did not see it and I was truly looking for it.

[southlandshari]

49. Sigh

I say the following in a weary and decidely non-combative tone, and hope you will take it that way...

I don't doubt one word of your account of registering new voters, including your observations that the Kerry volunteers were younger and more energetic than the Repubs, and that it was clear to you that Dems registered far more voters in the efforts you were a part of than the Bush camp.

I also worked voter registration for weeks before the election. I was energized by what I found, and by the numbers of folks eager to register and make sure their votes for Kerry counted. I knew there were parallel registration efforts going on in Republican circles, but honestly, I didn't pay much attention. Obviously didn't pay enough attention.

You speak about Bush rallies reaching nowhere near the level of Kerry rallies. I saw enough evidence of this in news coverage and web photos to know you are right.

But don't you understand that there were no Kerry rallies with a Kerry presence in states like mine? Alabama and other Southern states were ignored by the national party and campaign. When I did get emails from the Kerry campaign, they invariably invited me to call voters in swing states, or drive long hours to see and support "our" candidate in appearances in other states.

I knew in my gut things were not going to go well for us at 7:45 am on election day. I took my five-year-old daughter along with me to vote, and yes, there were VERY long lines. And yes, it was clear that the vast majority of voters were there for Bush.

It did happen. I was there.

[TwilightZone]

51. A Republican area in L.A. and a Republican area in Nebraska are

two completely different things.

Sorry, but in my opinion, you don't know what you're talking about. If you think you can apply blue state standards and your experiences in LA to what it's like out here in ultra-conservative land, you're wrong.

Some Republican state senators win their districts out here with 90% of the vote. Bush wins more than 80% of the vote in the western part of the state. More than 70% of the population - of the entire state, mind you - is Republican.

"I just read a thread here with ReCons offering $75 to "volunteer" for them in Nebraska I think. Where were all their thousands of volunteers?"

It certainly wasn't here. When 70% of the state is Republican, they have all the volunteers they need.

[JustUsToo]

27. Population Density.

The population density of the red ares was much less than the population density of the ares where the lines where.

IOW, their where less people per polling place in the rural red areas than in the urban blue areas.

[Maiden England]

30. I think that if we are looking at voting irregularities

the place to focus attention is in florida and ohio, where the exit polling, which is traditionally used to audit the validitiy of the election process was way off, where as it was accurate in 2002, accurate in other states which were not so vital to the Rovian ploy. I don't think the problem is just the diebold machines, its all the other tactics used as well, voter intimidation, tampering with voter registrations, either throwing away democratic ones or filing paperwork to get registrations revoked. Also the plainly obvious lack of voting machines in heavily democratic areas as opposed to in repug areas.
But, we must face the fact that the repukes have stolen the moral imperative, with the evangelical Christians in this country, and thats made things a whole lot less cut and dried for the big picture. Of course I think a lot of churchs are deserving of having their IRS tax exempt status pulled, because a lot of them had a concerted GOTV effort in favor of king shrub, which would also be illegal manoeuvers vis a vis the election.

[goclark]

45. I agree they have stolen the moral imperative

but when someone steals something this important, we need to let the world know!

[robbedvoter]

34. In Miami Dade, blasks stood in line A WEEK - up tp 8 hours

They produced...less votes than they did in 2000!
I guess people "whose skin color is different than ours" can't vote, can they?

[goclark]

37. It is compelling that in 2000 the wait wasn't that long

and STILL the vote was less.

This is an excellent example of how they have ripped us off.

Diebold this time, right?

[FormerOstrich]

39. AZ is a Red State...

I know of two people that waited to vote. Two precincts: one waited 5 hours the other 3 1/2 hours. BUT....these were both students! The precincts were in Tempe by the University. Both of them ended up voting about 9:30 pm. The declared AZ for Bush at 8:35 pm. Go Figure. Who cares about those liberal student votes.

[goclark]

42. Bingo! Perfect example

By 8:35 the fix was in, they didn't need, or care about the two new voters.

How sad, these crooks think we were born yesterday.

[kamerson]

48. I stood in line Five hours in NC

I voted early last Saturday in Wilmington NC and stood in line for
five hours before voting...Everyone around me in line was for Kerry...and our local news was there. I had to leave town later that
evening so I couldn't catch the broadcast...I left feeling very confident and have, since yesterday afternoon, felt very confused.

[althecat]

52. Great post... only you won't find the lines in Kansas

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=19390&mesg_id=19390

As the analysis in the above thread shows, bush's huge turnout did not turnout in Kansas.. it turned out in FL, NY, GA and OH

[amazona]

53. 8 hr lines in New Orleans for black (Dem) voters

Dillard and Xavier University, black colleges, had 8 hour lines for people waiting to vote.


These were Democratic (Kerry) voters, not GOP.


It was on nola.com and also in the Times-Picayune newspaper.

I too believe they stole votes in every state. We have a serious voting problem in Louisiana, and it's a "red" state. I also heard rumors of voting problems in Mississippi.

We were robbed.

[goclark]

55. Amozzana why don't some believe that they would not steal

this election too?

I don't understand the reasoning.
They did it in 2000 and got away with it.

We allowed him to go to Iraq and kill men, women and children.

If they could do that,to steal an election is child's pla!

Well, let's play with these suckers.

[southlandshari]

56. I DO believe

the Bush camp was fully prepared, willing and able to steal this election by whatever means necessary. I have no doubt there was an exhaustive game plan ready to roll.

Sadly, I just don't believe that on November 2, 2004, they found it necessary to resort to any of their dirty tricks. As shocking and unsettling and maddening as it is to all of us, I believe the Republicans won the majority of the votes cast on Tuesday. We got our ass kicked six ways to Sunday in every category. And it will happen again unless we figure out why and how to prevent this from EVER happening again.

I believe Greg Palast, I believe the Congressional Black Caucaus, I believe Michael Moore, I believe all those who have come forward with clear evidence of malfeasance in Florida in 2000. I'd much rather be venting right now about Karl Rove pulling a fast one on us. The alternative - and I believe the reality we face - is much more painful. We lost the old-fashioned way. They got more votes. In more states (blue and red). Period.

[goclark]

57. Rove never does any thing the old fashion way

He knew that we would never believe it would happen this time.

Come back to me in a week and tell me it was won fair and square.

[southlandshari]

59. It's a date! =)

And for the record, no one hopes you are right more than me. Not because election fraud is a good thing. But I'd rather deal with that than face the fact that the far right agenda has become the platform of the majority of voters in our country!

[Rex_Goodheart]

54. Well, I'd really love to report otherwise...

But here at my precinct in Bible-thumping South Carolina the line was LOOOOOOONG.

Took me an hour and a half to vote, when it normally takes less than 10 minutes.

When I saw the line I knew our candidate was in trouble.